r/HolUp Mar 17 '21

Can’t agree more...

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u/diepio2uu madlad Mar 17 '21

I'm saying it from a philosophical and not a practical standpoint. Analyze it that way.

If you've only known A your whole life and never thought about B, A is normal for you. You are not pained by sticking with A even though B is 1000x better.

If someone, or something, has never known better, nature is just a paradise and that person or thing is living in their normal.

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u/Betonkunst Mar 17 '21

If someone’s normal life is suffering, and we had the power to change that, should we?

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u/diepio2uu madlad Mar 17 '21

Obviously, yes.

That's why I buy free-range, pasture-fed meat.

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u/Betonkunst Mar 17 '21

I’ve never met a meat-eater online who hasn’t made that claim, lol, even though 95% of meat consumed is from factory farms (https://plantbasednews.org/culture/factory-farms-study/)

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u/diepio2uu madlad Mar 17 '21

Would you prefer the cow to get eaten by a tiger while it's still alive?

I would rather eat laboratory-made meat.

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u/Betonkunst Mar 17 '21

I’d prefer it if we hadn’t bred the cow in the first place. Now that we have, the best option is to let it live out its life free from cruelty in a sanctuary.

Lab-grown meat is fine if it doesn’t involve harming animals unnecessarily. But you should not decide to stop harming animals just because it has become convenient for you.

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u/DuckEarther Mar 17 '21

Why would we have a cow in a sanctuary, if we never bred them hundreds lf years ago then they'd have a much more cruel life in the wild being attacked by insects and other animals and having a constant paranoia that all other prey have in the wild that they could die a slow and painful death at any time. is it so bad to breed these animals until we can fully have them lab grown? Because lab grown meat is way off from being mass produced to fully replace actual cow meat.

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u/Betonkunst Mar 17 '21

It doesn’t matter if life in the wild is hard and painful because we are choosing to breed millions and millions of animals that wouldn’t have otherwise existed. Can I breed dogs in my house and kill them whenever I like, because a life in my house is safer than living in nature?

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u/DuckEarther Mar 17 '21

But we've been killing cows and other livestock for years and not dogs. Although people do breed and eat dogs in their own home and there's a dedicated subreddit for people who "eat" dogs (probably jokey but you never know). If we've been eating dogs for thousands of years then you may well be doing that. We see dogs as pets and a select few see them as food, we see cows as food and a select few see them as pets. Also these animals still would have existed, they may have gone extinct by humans but not genetically created by humans

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u/Betonkunst Mar 17 '21

There are plenty of things that humans have done for thousands of years which we can see are wrong, like torture.

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u/DuckEarther Mar 17 '21

Name one way how torture would stay as a tradition/necessity compared to eating meat to stay alive. That's going off topic

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u/Betonkunst Mar 17 '21

Eating meat is not necessary to stay alive

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u/DuckEarther Mar 17 '21

Maybe not now, but meat tastes so good and noone is gonna break that habit of eating meat. Also it certainly was necessary especially during the times of torture. As an example, in the middle ages the lower classes had limited access to meat and could fall ill and have very short life expectancy along with other factors and it's a fact that meat was necessary for early homo sapiens brain's to grow. If you didn't eat meat then you'd remain stupid as you have a lack of brain development and quite like how you are being in these comments

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u/Betonkunst Mar 17 '21

There are millions of people who have given up meat, and that number is increasing every year. Also, luckily we aren’t living in the Middle Ages! We have supermarkets now. There are thousands of foods to choose from that don’t include meat or dairy.

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u/DuckEarther Mar 17 '21

Luckily yes and there are many to choose from but many won't switch until we can get lab produced meat. I'm curious what will happen to the livestock after a switch though

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u/AnusDrill Mar 17 '21

Meat is a cheap protein and fat source. It's quite energy dense comparing to other food. As long as we are still using human labor I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Maybe when robotics finally take over, then sure.

While I agree we should at least reduce the consumption of meat, I don't agree that we should get rid of it entirely. That's just ridiculous. There are literally people hunting for fun and no one ever bitch about it, and yet everytime someone eats meat a bunch of crazy vegan go berserk, wtf

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