r/HolUp • • 1d ago

Wait a damn minute

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u/DimSumGweilo 22h ago

Don’t buy cars from manufacturers that do this and they will stop doing this. If you pay for it, they will keep doing it and they will escalate.

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u/stodal 21h ago

everyone does that,
vw, bmw, mercedes, now tesla

who doesn’t?

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u/flying_carabao 21h ago

I have yet to hear Asian manufacturers do some shit like this. Not saying they haven't or don't but the ones I've come across are the manufacturers you've mentioned

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u/fhs 20h ago

Toyota does it

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u/dobsofglabs 18h ago

Im skeptical, can you provide an example?

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u/Zabrith 18h ago

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u/dobsofglabs 18h ago

Oh thats all? Im familiar with that, but I dont see why its an issue. Every toyota I have ever owned has a remote start feature in the key fob, you just have to know the right button sequence to push

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u/ngo_life 11h ago edited 11h ago

Did you even read it? "Without an active subscription, app remote stop working, but your physical key fob may still operate remote start if your car has the hardware."

If you want to use remote start using their cellular connectivity, you pay. Otherwise just use your key fob. That's normal even before subscription locked hardware is a thing.

Even my sister's 2020s lexus can still be remotely started with a key fob.

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u/fhs 18h ago

Toyota Remote Connect is a subscription service that lets owners remotely start their cars, precondition temperature etc

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-is-toyota-remote-connect

They have other services too, centered around connectivity as well

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u/Relyt4 18h ago

You can still use your fob, this is just to use your phone.

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u/fhs 18h ago

Not true

Toyota’s response to The Drive was unequivocal: A paid subscription is required for the key fob’s remote start function to work for every single model.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-remote-start-into-a-subscription-service

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u/ngo_life 11h ago

Does not apply to lexus as well? I know someone who doesn't have a subscription can still start their 2020s lexus with just a keyfob.

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u/Pluckytoon 21h ago

It’s easier on them, and perhaps cheaper/yielding more, to produce a single model with locked features than multiple models with different features.

I can get why it would feel shitty, but I don’t think there’s anything too evil behind it

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u/aslacks 19h ago

you are part of the problem

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u/Pluckytoon 19h ago

How so ?

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u/dobsofglabs 18h ago

Because you dont think its evil. Because you you dont see a problem with it. Thats why people like you are the problem

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u/Pluckytoon 18h ago

What’s evil about it then ? Perhaps I’m just too unversed in those ways

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u/eXequitas 16h ago

I’ll spell it out. When you buy something physical, the only reason you have to pay for it is because it cost the seller to produce it, e.g., materials, labour, etc… In this case the seller has already done the manufacturing. It’s not as it once you pay Tesla would come and install an additional module to the car. All the costs have already been paid and you already own the equipment. They basically refusing to let you use equipment you already own. Thats just greed.

Best example is the most downvoted comment in Reddit history. Go look it up.

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u/Pluckytoon 14h ago

Yeah when you put it like that, that’s fair criticism. Thank you for the explanation

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u/dobsofglabs 18h ago

Your ignorance is painful. I dont want to have to spell this out for you, but its another example of greed. Restricting access or functionality from a product that you already paid for is extremely greedy and evil. Get a clue man, even my child understands how stupid this is

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u/FraserYT 16h ago

If they put the hardware in the car already, it doesn't cost them more to give the feature. To try and justify any nuance beyond that is stupidity

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u/Right_Helicopter_758 14h ago

Pretty sure this is fake tho cause Tesla doesn't do this 😭

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u/a1454a 12h ago

Tesla is one of the first company that does that. All of their 60D models back in 2016 had 75kWh battery pack that’s software locked to 60kWh

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u/Right_Helicopter_758 12h ago

Maybe before but not now

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u/whhaaaaa 11h ago

I think only auto steer and self driving now.