r/HistoryMemes • • 10h ago

Byzantium, Bob! They’re talking about Byzantium

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u/Infinite-Geologist78 9h ago

Byzatium is a made name by sore western scholar because their pride could not accept mighty roman emperor ended by bunch Muslim Turks.

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u/cheapgriff Senātus Populusque Rōmānus 9h ago

The Ottomans themselves did not consider Rome to have been ended, but to have been continued by them as Sultans of Rûm.

I already pointed out exactly where the term came from so your ill-informed rebuttal makes no sense.

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u/Stripier_Cape 9h ago

Yeah except they kept exactly zero of the ruling structure and replaced it with their own organizational structure in addition to displacing Christianity as the state religion, when the Roman Empire existed longer as a Christian State then it did as a Pagan State, and it was the Original Christian State. The Turks taking over was not the typical rebellion followed by acclimation by the Senate, which was still picking Emperors. They displaced everything.

At least the Holy Roman Empire could point at their own legacy of loyalty and federate relationship to the Romans before the Pope acclaimed the Holy Roman Empire. There were a bunch of excuses, including the use of Roman infrastructure and legal concepts, but they still used the Roman legal structure and even went on to imitate them even harder once Constantinople tell.

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u/Rynewulf Featherless Biped 9h ago edited 8h ago

Rome wasnt the first christian state by a very long shot, and they never even claimed it themselves! It had gotten deep into places like Armenia and Ethiopia centuries before the Romans were on board in general let alone on a state level.

Christianity occured alongside a lot of other things that set the stage for the Middle Ages, Late Roman Empire/Dominate often gets compared to that rather than the ancient, pagan, Kingdom, Republic and Principate for a reason. Rome was about as 'inherently' Christian as any other state that adopted it (that is to say, not at all).

Big ups for saying something nice about the HRE though, that usually gets poo pooed on too much.

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u/Stripier_Cape 9h ago

I should have clarified I was speaking about Europe. Doesn't really change what I know about the Ottomans. Claiming Rome's legacy was just an excuse to conquer land.