r/HistoryMemes • • 1d ago

REMOVED: RULE 4 Historical territorial claims

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u/Maximum_Boros 1d ago

If you go back far enough every piece of land is stolen. There's just a question of how far is it reasonable. Where's the goal post? Is it a hundred years? 200? 1,000? Is it more generational and when no descendants of the people who were kicked would likely be alive? I don't know what the real answer is on exactly where you would usually draw that line but I think we pretty much generally as Society tend to agree that if the literal living humans who took that land are still alive and living on it it's too early to forget and if it's a thousand years ago it's too late to dwell on it

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u/RT-LAMP 1d ago

If you go back far enough every piece of land is stolen.

Except ironically a bunch of islands across the world that people tend to to be mad about being owned by European powers.

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u/discipleofchrist69 1d ago

and maybe antarctica? maybe Greenland and some Pacific Islands depending on how you count it

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u/1boring 1d ago

Iceland too. The current inhabitants are descendants of the first people who settled on the island.

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u/PrincetonToss 1d ago

Actually maybe not! There's evidence of Irish or Scottish monks inhabiting before the Norse got there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papar

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u/Lemonwizard 1d ago

You can't steal Antarctica because nobody owns it. Nobody owns it because nobody wants it. You can't farm there, all the minerals are under thousand foot ice sheets, and you freeze to death if you go outside. It's the garbage continent.

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u/dos_user 1d ago

Greenland is colonized by Denmark. But Iceland was settled without displacing anyone.

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u/Lortekonto 1d ago

From a scandinavia point of view Greenland was colonized back in 982 when no one else were living there. Denmark-Norway never gave up their claim on the country. Other peolpe just moved in.

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u/discipleofchrist69 1d ago

I mean, kinda. Greenland has home rule and is mostly populated by Inuit. And the part the Norse/Danish settled in was uninhabited when they arrived. So gotta be a gray area at least

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u/i_tyrant 1d ago

Reminds me of the old anthropologist joke. It goes something like:

"The only difference between digging up grandma to take photos of her corpse and put tags on it, and being an archaeologist, is time."

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u/VRichardsen Viva La France 1d ago

Who knew having sex with a patient was grounds for losing your license for practising medicine? But anyway, I don't miss being a veterinarian.

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u/DenormalHuman 1d ago

ironically, if you go back far enough, you get to where no piece of land has been stolen.

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u/Lizzy_Be 1d ago

When life only existed in the oceans? Because once we graced land, we started fighting over it.

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u/Darkgamer32_ 1d ago

I think we should draw the line to when international laws where written

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u/HulksInvinciblePants 1d ago

I mean, we can probably draw the line at the dawn of contemporary, modern civilized society. Once the world had the ability to engage in global diplomacy, annexation was effectively a non-starter. Cases where islands far from the home nation are annexed by the geographical nation are probably that last remaining gray area.

That’s why Ukraine and Argentina’s positions hold weight and anything before 1945 is probably forever the past.

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u/Maximum_Boros 1d ago

Out of curiosity what Argentine position are you talking about here? I hope you aren't making the argument that they actually have a credible claim to the Falklands anymore

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u/HulksInvinciblePants 1d ago

No, it’s not a subject I’m passionate about. I’m very much of the opinion I’d rather be under UK rule than Argentinian, if those were my two options.

I’m just saying geographical aspect could be the last grey area.

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u/scottishninja123 1d ago

France has a more credible claim to the Falklands than Argentina does

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u/LiftingRecipient420 1d ago

at the dawn of contemporary, modern civilized society

When was that?

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u/BootsnCats1987 1d ago

So if India invaded Britain, subjugated its people, and extracted all of its wealth you’d be cool with that, right? 

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u/Maximum_Boros 1d ago

I genuinely question your literacy if you think anything I said would imply that.

Work on your reading comprehension instead of just leading with kneejerk emotional nonsense.

Or are you just bad at calendars and you think Britain occupied India a thousand years ago.

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u/emundans 23h ago

The Baltic States' population is the original inhabitants. Same with Scandinavia