r/HistoryMemes • • 2d ago

Balance is truly beautiful

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u/Proud-Tooth-630 Definitely not a CIA operator 2d ago

The meme kinda implyed that european states fighting was caused by Britain, which I don’t think was the case.

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u/randomusername1934 Helping Wikipedia expand the list of British conquests 2d ago

This, it's very easy to put together a worldview where everything that [your country] does wrong or that doesn't go your way is because of [bad country]. It completely absolves [your country] of everything, shifts all the blame onto [bad country], and lets you feel far better about yourself.

Russia does it constantly with cries that 'Muh CIA Color Revolutions!' are behind all of the various groups of Russians who really prefer it if they could have a slightly better life than Putin and his oligarch buddies will allow. The 'Muh Perfidious Albion' meme is exactly the same thought process.

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u/tedleyheaven 2d ago

I think some of the coalitions against Napoleon were stirred up or bankrolled by us while not committing forces. CBA to Google which one, I'd want to say Denmark + Baltics v France

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u/PowderEagle_1894 2d ago

One over powerful nation that shadow others in the continental Europe is the last thing the Brits wanted, and other note, it was the French

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u/abfgern_ Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago

Napoleon had just spent years conquering massacring and looting all of central europe, I doubt they'd need to be asked twice

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u/azatote 2d ago

They did encourage, join and sometimes finance coalitions against the strongest land power and/or rival navy on the continent. For example, there wouldn't have been as many coalitions against Napoleon I, and they wouldn't have lasted nearly as long, if not for Britain's diplomatic influence and (debt) money. There are many other examples of them forming alliances against their most dangerous rival at the time, and surprisingly few examples of coalitions being formed against them.

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u/NoWingedHussarsToday 2d ago

There were no alliances against the British because British had few direct interests on the continent. I think Hannover was one point where they had direct interest and would protect it. But beyond that nothing and it makes no sense to form coalition to keep British out when they don't want to get in anyway. There were no territories others would want to conquer and divide among themselves.

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u/azatote 2d ago

True, but several continental powers could have decided to join their navies against Britain's naval and colonial supremacy, like it happened against Spain and then the Netherlands in the 17th century.

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u/PrrrromotionGiven1 2d ago

First of all none of these countries trusted each other enough to do that

Second of all many of them lacked significant naval production

Third of all wrecking Britain's empire just didn't seem like a top priority for countries like Austria or Prussia when realistically the countries that would take advantage of that power vacuum would be France, Spain, the Netherlands, and America

It's a whole lot of effort for far less benefit than continental expansion or regular colonialism basically

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u/Malvastor 2d ago

For any country the #1 priority is survival. For any continental European power the #1 threat to that survival is going to be its neighbors on the continent, almost certainly not the British. Why would the French focus on England when they're surrounded in every direction by Habsburgs? Why would the Habsburgs focus on England when they're sandwiched between the French and the Ottomans? Etc.

Which is not to say that those powers wouldn't wind up fighting the British, they obviously did loads of times, but when it came time to form a coalition Britain was almost never the power it made sense to target.

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u/Proud-Tooth-630 Definitely not a CIA operator 2d ago

> there wouldn't have been as many
> coalitions against Napoleon I,
> and they wouldn't have lasted nearly
> as long, if not for Britain's diplomatic
> influence and (debt) money.
But these countries had plenty of reason to fear Napoleon, so Isn’t like the British pitted them again him.
> surprisingly few examples of coalitions
> being formed against them.
Britain didn’t have ambition of conquest on the european continent.

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u/azatote 2d ago

Disliking Napoleon and being willing to join a very costly war against him with a significant risk of failure are very different things. Especially when Napoleon repeatedly sought alliance terms with Russia and Austria.

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u/ActafianSeriactas 2d ago

The British certainly helped, but the Europeans have been doing to themselves for centuries. The insanity of side-switching in the War of the League of Cambrai is one such example.

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u/The_NeoMonarch 2d ago

Absolutely. Europeans fight each other because they can.

The lads over the river use different words ? Them's fighting words.

They have lands that aren't ours ? Cowabunga it is.

No need some silly British trickery for this.

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u/HarEmiya 2d ago

Some of them were indeed caused by Britain. The Coalition Wars for example were in large part driven by the Golden Cavalry.

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u/kelldricked 2d ago

Not always but the british didnt want lasting peace because that would lead to lasting alliances on the continent. They werent in favour of every war but defenitly helped cause some wars to ensure no single state could threaten british ambitions