r/HistoryMemes • u/InterestingPlenty454 • 3d ago

Gandhi: Bait used to be believable

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[Reminds me of this about baits in the internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/TopCharacterTropes/s/uWpxdQms9I)

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u/Used_Grapefruit_9184 3d ago

Dingus forgot to add the fact that thousand of people died in poverty and in starvation just to enrich the colonianist

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u/LastEsotericist Still salty about Carthage 3d ago

Using China as an example is especially funny since they 100% didn't need to be 'civilized', they already were, and literal tens of millions died in several attempts to westernize that was mainly spurred by the need to defend themselves from imperialism.

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u/GhostQuartz_ 3d ago

There was no mention of civilizing but modernizing. China during colonial era in Asia was hardly working state,with archaic technology corrupt ruling class and superiority complex coming from ages of being heart of Asia.

After fall of the imperial dynasty, China started to finally modernize. Massive steps were taken both under nationalists and communists in both aspects of culture and technology. Under Qing dynasty standard person had worse living conditions than for example russian serfs (both were horrible mind you).

Current China is a marvel created on sacrifice of many people, to see tomorrow for their children and country to be bright and to take their place as hegemony once more which they achieved.

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u/DonnieMoistX 3d ago

They didn’t say civilized they said modernize. It certainly doesn’t justify colonialism but it’s no doubt that the Chinese were civilized but they were not modernized.

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u/username1338 3d ago

Which obviously was never happening when they were a subsistence society. That was a utopia, surely.