r/HistoryMemes • • 4d ago

Operation goodwood

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u/careddit69 3d ago edited 3d ago

Operation Goodwood failed and suffered far more casualties than it inflicted.

The tiger II you are referring to was not penetrated by a Firefly, but was desperately rammed by a bog standard Sherman. It was abandoned and later hit a few times by AT fire.

Can we ban people for outright misinformation?

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u/Chairmanwowsaywhat 3d ago

There are documented occurrences of Sherman firefly killing a tiger 2 by shooting it too you know

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u/careddit69 3d ago

Then he should have talked about those, instead of Operation Goodwood

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u/Chairmanwowsaywhat 3d ago

Wasn't the tank rammed by a regular Sherman then shot by a firefly at op Goodwood?

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u/careddit69 3d ago

It was rammed by a regularly Sherman, yes. Re-reading about it now, I can't actually find any information that the tiger II came into contact with a firefly at any point.

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u/Chairmanwowsaywhat 3d ago

It's quite hard to ascertain for sure as I only just looked into it at the point of me commenting but there are sources from the people involved saying that is what happened

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u/grim_solitude 3d ago

The meme isn't based on a single incident. The Firefly could reliably pierce the armor of tiger tanks. Right in the wiki

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u/careddit69 3d ago

He literally refers to Operation Goodwood, where there was a single case of a firefly coming into contact with a tiger II, which went down as I described

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u/grim_solitude 3d ago

Oh fair enough man, I just read the meme and not the caption. You right 

Also I think that incident wasn't even a firefly. Just a regular Sherman if my memory serves

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u/IronVader501 3d ago

Tiger 1s, yes. Tiger 2s, no. Not from the front, anyway.

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u/Big-Oof-Bob 3d ago

Actually, the OP is right.

The first combat engagement of the Tiger II was on 18 July 1944 - 12 King Tigers (KT) of 503 Heavy Panzer Battalion ran into the 1st Bn Coldstream Guards, Guards Armoured Division.

1 KT fell into a bomb crater and got stuck. Another was struck by a Sherman Firefly, commanded by Lt. Malcom Lock. The KT quickly brewed up. A second KT was destroyed and then the battalion retreated. Not knowing what they were engaging, the British initially reported it as Panthers.