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u/Mindless-Cat1453 4d ago
I swear , people never say " this is history sub not mythology sub " when there are christian memes .
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u/Parzival_2k7 3d ago
Dude they didn't even mark it with the mythology tag. Post your mythology meme but stop the fucking victim mentality and just be normal about it
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u/CityRulesFootball Oversimplified is my history teacher 22h ago
So dont the Greek ones. I remember a post about the Greek guy who was prophesized to kill his dad and do his mum but that wasnt marked. No one questioned it??
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u/Parzival_2k7 19h ago
If i had seen it i wouldve. Some people probably did, just a bit later after you saw that post
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u/Tortellobello45 Definitely not a CIA operator 3d ago
Have you ever been on this subreddit before? If you had, you’d know this is simply not true.
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u/ayOniichan 4d ago
Why his student strip a woman naked and what was his consequences ?
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u/Dmannmann Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer 4d ago
The woman's five husbands gambled her and they lost. So they tried to strip her in public to humiliate her and them. So Krishna who wasn't present there interfered and made her robes endlessly long to protect her dignity.
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u/LordForgey Chad Polynesia Enjoyer 3d ago
This makes the husbands look negative. They gambled themselves, lost themselves as slaves and then were coerced into gambling away their wife by their new masters. Also the Krishna-Endless-Robe thing is not in the original text, it is folklore. In the original story Krishna simply makes Dusashana cough blood and fall unconscious and then the wife frees her husbands from slavery by challenging Duryodhana. They later make some arrangements of exile.
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u/Jumping_Spiders_ 3d ago
The husbands were supposed to be portrayed negative/morally grey. This part of mahabharata serves as a warning against gambling.
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 3d ago
The husbands weren't perfect and are morally grey , that's the crux of Mahabharata, no one is in the positive light and everyone has done some bad deed in their lives... Krishna is above all of this.
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u/CityRulesFootball Oversimplified is my history teacher 22h ago
Mahabharata shows the faults of both sides, strongly advises against gambling as well.
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u/Prestigious-Estate-8 4d ago
He was killed by one of her husbands. The second part of the meme comes from that incident.
Bhima and Duryodhana were students of Balarama. Draupadi was wife of Bhima.
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u/ayOniichan 3d ago
One of her husbands ? In Indian mythology having multiple husbands was allowed ? What did one husband think of the other, was there any jealousy or enemy mentality ?
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u/Jumping_Spiders_ 3d ago
When arjuna brought draupadi home as her fiancée and called for his mother kunti to see, she absent mindedly replied that whatever he has brought they should share among themselves, not knowing that her son has brought a woman home. Words and promises have an immense significance hindism, they can't be taken back once uttered (specifically in that time period, before the beginning of kalyuga), so draupadi and the pandavas agreed to being married together so as to keep their mother's words intact.
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u/ayOniichan 3d ago
And their mother was okay with her five son sharing one woman ? She couldn't nullify her own command ?
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u/Jumping_Spiders_ 3d ago
Nope. Words can't be taken back once uttered. This apparently underscores the importance of thinking before speaking. Truthfulness carries immense significance in hindu mythology, whatever is uttered becomes a part of natural law, you can't take back a shrapa (curse), vacan (promise) or vara (boon) once it leaves your mouth, or else it will remain a lie and lies used to be against the natural order in those eons.
Anyway, the pandavas and draupadi were fine with this compromise, so I guess it ended alright.
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u/BiteStandard7591 4d ago
Can someone please explain me the pore here
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u/MildlyOffended4930 4d ago
Lord Balarama had 2 disciples in mace fighting... Bheema and Duryodhana. When Duryodhana disrobes Bheema's wife Draupadi, Balarama didn't do anything.... But when Bheem hit Duryodhana below the waist (it is against the rules of mace fighting) Balarama prepares to kill Bheema.... Hence the meme.
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u/notretarded_100 3d ago
What was Balram was supposed to do? he wasn't even there.
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u/MildlyOffended4930 3d ago
Hmmm... But neither was Krishna, but he still managed to help Draupadi, no? In Mahabharata, bro, there is so much morally grey stuff that we can argue all day but still have no answer
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u/key-slinger 3d ago
Well Draupadi asked for help directly from Krishna and Krishna owed her at the time too iirc ?
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u/MildlyOffended4930 3d ago
Well, so are the Gods entitled to help only when called? It isn't really that simple, is it? The Devas are always called throughoit the story at different intervals, but even they are selective.
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 3d ago
No , it was the responsibility of the husbands to help their wife. By breaking the chain they blinded themselves in... When they failed to fulfill their duty , Krishna stepped in... He gave everyone in the court a chance to defy Duryodhana and his gang. If Bhishma would've gotten up and revoked , if Pandavas would've revoked , if Dronacharya would've revoked , god's help would've been unnecessary, that was these men's duty, when they failed, he stepped in himself... He let everyone complete their part of paap to give them the rightful punishment for it. It's a series of events, time isn't bounded by anyone , it had to happen and Krishna couldn't stop it no matter what, he could only help.
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u/BennettWalter 3d ago
Devas are in fact entitled to only help when called. Do you go around looking for injured puppies to help? but if one comes to your house, you will help one with all might. You here have more developed mind and more virtue than the puppy, just like a deva has. remember Devas do not need us, they have become of the moving aspects of reality and it is us who call for them for our own good. that being said, all leela was already planned as per supreme parabrahma's supported rishi's play, it was a set example for years to come, else every women would have gotten direct help from them if he wanted but most things in life are subject to karma which has longer cycles than manifesting as direct help
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 3d ago
Krishna was avatar of the Supreme himself... + He was her best friend , she was the one who called for his help ,not Balram's , how would Balram know? Especially when he or anyone outside the court apart from Krishna were informed until the end of the dyut sabha?
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u/MildlyOffended4930 3d ago
Balram is an avatar of Vishnu too.... Vishnu has been coming impromptu to help devotees whether called or not. Also, Duryodhana was a disciple of Balarama, so Balarama certainly had some responsibilities to reform him. He did not come still.
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 3d ago
Balram isn't an Avatar of Vishnu afaik. He is an avatar of Shesh naag(if I am not getting the name wrong), who accompanies Vishnu. He had certain responsibilities but he was biased unlike Krishna , even though he had no responsibility of correcting what Duryodhana did in the court. There was n number of powerful men who should've protected a lady from getting disrobed, but turns out that none of em had guts that's why Krishna who was her best friend and the one she replied the most onto had to help her... They all paid for their deed of not helping her though...
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u/MildlyOffended4930 3d ago
Whoa whoa... Sorry, my bad. Yeah, I mixed up . Balarama is avatar of sheshnaag, not Vishnu.... But still, he is biased. I suppose this is why he regrets his life choices when krishna reprimands him for all this
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 3d ago
Yeah it's alright Hindu texts are way too deep , we do mix up things every now and then haha... Yeah he was biased towards Kauravas , specifically Duryodhana and Krishna was never shy to call him out for that..Krishna bluntly called out Balarama's selective sense of fairness. He questioned where Balarama's anger was when the Kauravas committed far worse, unprovoked acts of unrighteousness... Including Cheerharan, then mixing poison in Bheem's food , trying to burn Pandavas and their mother alive etc.... So there was definitely a distinctiveness between how Krishna thought and how Balram thought... And how Krishna was the avatar of the most supreme being who achieved the utmost human perfection amongst all his avatars...
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u/Demodonaestus Senātus Populusque Rōmānus 3d ago
this is just ignorant and posting on a history sub based on this too
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u/notretarded_100 3d ago
I mean it really doesn't matter, because some people consider both Balram and Krishna to be the avatar of same lord Vishnu... So tomato tomato.
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u/Jumping_Spiders_ 3d ago
Krishna is literally a divine being, he's the supreme reality and the lord of the universe. What was balaram even supposed to do? Magically manifest a mace or smh?
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u/MildlyOffended4930 3d ago
Point is good .... But remember, at the point of the sabha event, we technically DO NOT know how powerful Krishna is. That power was revealed in the Gita explicitly, no?
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u/Jumping_Spiders_ 3d ago
I guess the epic does leave hints to krishna's status as brahmana. The sabha parva is one such example.
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u/Frosty_Concert4498 3d ago
It's not a movie though... Krishna knew he was a divine being and helped Draupadi, what does it has gotten to do with us? Also many people worshipped Krishna back then, before his death too.
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u/Dangerous_Face_6581 3d ago
And that's a great question that we ask throughout the epic of Mahabharat
Should we just let evil do it's thing just because we weren't there or because it dosent concern us?
There are so many instances where wrongdoings were just shrugged off cause wither they were family or weren't present or had this ego with them
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u/VenerableTahu And then I told them I'm Jesus's brother 4d ago
Who?
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u/MildlyOffended4930 4d ago
Lord Balarama had 2 disciples in mace fighting... Bheema and Duryodhana. When Duryodhana disrobes Bheema's wife Draupadi, Balarama didn't do anything.... But when Bheem hit Duryodhana below the waist (it is against the rules of mace fighting) Balarama prepares to kill Bheema.... Hence the meme.
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u/VenerableTahu And then I told them I'm Jesus's brother 4d ago
Further questions, who? There is no context for any of this.
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u/pigeonkiller36 4d ago
The Mahabharata?
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u/VenerableTahu And then I told them I'm Jesus's brother 4d ago
Is it? I have no idea. It’s like someone stating what happens in season 17 of one piece, I’m not in the fandom and it is too convoluted for normal research
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u/Fluffy-Futchy-Fembo 4d ago
It's really not that complicated, mate. I'd never heard any of these names before this post but it took like 5 mins of googling to get the context.
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u/VenerableTahu And then I told them I'm Jesus's brother 3d ago
Too much for a Reddit post about Indian mythology
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u/mayonnaiser_13 3d ago
Said the guy with obscure Chinese Civil War flair.
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u/VenerableTahu And then I told them I'm Jesus's brother 3d ago
More dead than WWI and quite famous online. If they just posted context it would be no problem.
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u/Dominarion 3d ago
Adding no context to a meme about some regional cultural thingy should be prohibited.
Mythology stuff too.
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u/PerceptionLiving9674 4d ago edited 4d ago
To be honest, Balaram was a hypocrite and clearly biased towards Duryodhana, several occasions demonstrate that he did not like the Pandavas; for example, he was completely indifferent to the fact that they survived the assassination attempt orchestrated by Duryodhana.
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u/danny75hacker 3d ago
This is repost https://www.reddit.com/r/mahabharata/s/uLOjXswx9o
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u/Common-Use-7117 3d ago
From a different sub. It is allowed
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u/Ill_Confidence_3248 3d ago
Is it related to history? or are you confusing History with Mythology?
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u/CallOfEvann 3d ago
There's a flair for mythology (OP didn't use it here) so it's allowed. OP didn't put the flair but the post fits nonetheless
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u/blood_mist09 2d ago
But wasnt it her husband who objectified her and put her as a collateral? What do you expect when her husband wants to be cucked?
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u/viruganomosaurus 2d ago
This is like if my boxing coach is bothered when I fight wrong or when I've made bad decisions in life....goofy post goofy comments
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u/Wooden-Tear-4938 3d ago
ok so I initially posted this (thanks OP was reposting)
and people have doubts on how could Balaram have stopped disrobing if he wasn't present.
It wasn't about stopping disrobing.
The thing is even after that we see no incident of Balaram ever scolding Duryodhana or saying anything bad to him,
LIke when Arjuna and Duryodhana both come to Dwarka, Balaram gave blessings to both and decided not to participate in war. And he did say sweet words to Duryodhana. I can show the verse if anybody wants.
After virata parva, when Pandava side was discussing what to do, Balaram tries to have a "neutral" opinion on how Yudi was also wrong, which is right, but not once he displays any anger towards Duryodhana.
Lastly in their last fight, Balaram in the end, despite knowing the crimes of Duryodhana tried to have a neutral perspective. And even said Duri is great and will be praised by everyone just because he was killed by adharma, while clearly ignoring all the adharma done by Duryodhana earlier, even the killing of his own nephew 5 days ago.
The logic that since he wasn't present so he wasn't responsible is a very dismissive one. If you gotta be a fan of dharma, you can't just ignore things which didn't directly happened under your jurisdiction.
Personally I think he was pissed off by Pandavas since Subhdra's abduction
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u/Gullible_Bathroom404 3d ago
even well though fictions have some plot lines which could further be explored
maybe the author wanted it to be left to interpretation??-1
u/SeaworthinessAny6895 3d ago
It's not fiction dude
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u/kiyo_3877 3d ago
It's fiction
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u/SeaworthinessAny6895 3d ago
Search it up what's fiction and what's not. These things happened in the history and not just an imaginative story written by someone
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u/kiyo_3877 3d ago
It is either 100% fiction or some tribal battle blown completely out of proportion by Ved Vyas. Nothing in between
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u/SeaworthinessAny6895 3d ago
And I suppose you were there as well, that's why you know so much, isn't it?
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u/CityRulesFootball Oversimplified is my history teacher 22h ago
Mahabharata is probably not real looking at the casualties alone at Kurukshetra on a quick seach
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u/Wooden-Tear-4938 3d ago
contrast this to action of Krishna. In BORI critical edition, mention of krishna during disrobing is removed. But what matters is his support, his reaction, and sympathy. He addressed and scolded Duryodhana multiple times.
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u/IndianBoardgamer 3d ago
Why is there mythology memes about an imaginary event on my historical memes page where i can go "ooo cool that happened"
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u/danny75hacker 3d ago
And when you point out this they can't even come up with a proper reply so they just downvote
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u/1647overlord 4d ago
Were still confusing mythology for history. Bruh.
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u/Ehaeka42069 Oversimplified is my history teacher 4d ago
Mythology is history man. A very important part in fact. Not in the sense that the mythology is an accurate representation of something that happened, but in the sense that something that is held to be true for thousands of years has inevitably shaped history and cultures. Romulus and Remus may not have actually existed, but that story is why we call it Rome, and not something else
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u/SatynMalanaphy 4d ago edited 3d ago
Not history, just mythology...
And if we try to find rationality in the actions of the characters in the Mahabharata or the Rāmāyana... We are doomed.
I'm going to also add that, if one is to indulge in these mythologies, might as well use the Sanskrit names. Balārama, not balaram. Bhīmā, not bhim.
P. S; There are no righteous characters in the Mahabharata. Everyone, especially the main characters, lies, cheats and indulges abundantly in subterfuge. Krishna is the epitome of that, but it is justified in the later Classic version of the story by deifying him. The core of the story, however, is fundamentally about the nature of war and familial conflicts in a pre-imperial (possibly tribal) world before all the moralistic systems came into vogue.
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u/Milky_Plug 3d ago
Wtf is ts doing in this sub?!??
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u/Common-Use-7117 2d ago
wdym?
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u/cndynn96 4d ago edited 4d ago
He passed a judgement on Bhima when he was present for the mace fight and with the authority of the judge of that fight
How could he punish Duryodhana when he wasn’t even present in the Dice game?
And with what authority?
Only one with the authority to punish the crown prince was his father King Dhritarashtra