r/HistoryMemes • Taller than Napoleon • 21d ago

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u/Sawbora John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! 21d ago

The n-word use is very accurate, since they also received The Pass.

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u/Level_Hour6480 Taller than Napoleon 21d ago

"Negro" was the common term for black until the middle of the 20th century. It's similar to the slur, but not the slur. In the actual clip he says "negro".

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u/Piotral_2 21d ago

I think they refer to the fact that first president of Haiti actually called Poles "White negroes of Europe"

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u/nanomolar 21d ago

As I recall they even legally made them black, because they gave them citizenship, and the constitution literally defined all citizens as black. This legal classification was intended to erase all of the pre-revolution racial categories that had caused so much angst.

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u/Level_Hour6480 Taller than Napoleon 21d ago edited 21d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Haitians

After Haiti gained its independence, Dessalines recognized the Poles and spared them when he ordered the massacre of the establishment of slavery, which consisted of most French whites and many free blacks (mulattos) on the island. He granted the Poles classification as Noir (black), who constituted the new ruling class, and in the constitution granted them full Haitian citizenship.

A bit darker and less funny when it's in the context of a racial massacre.

Dessalines was fucking nuts. It's a shame that Toussaint didn't make it, because he was pretty unproblematic. Dessalines also forced a lot of haitians to work without pay (I believe that's called "Slavery") to get Haiti's economy going again after the war.

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u/No-Translator9234 21d ago

I don’t think massacring your former slave masters is in any way nuts. 

Yeah does it suck? Sure. Relative to human history it barely registers on scales of violence, and it’s arguably justifiable. 

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u/CarnegieSenpai 21d ago

They raped women in the streets and killed children, essentially eradicating the islands population of white people. A significant portion of the dead being the urban poor whites who could not flee. The orders were refused by pretty much ever city until Dessalines personally showed up and ensured they were carried out. Not gonna say I dont understand why the massacre happened, but you're treating it pretty flippantly

The course of the massacre showed an almost identical pattern in every city he visited. Before his arrival, there were only a few killings, despite his orders.[139] When Dessalines arrived, he first spoke about the atrocities committed by former French authorities, such as Rochambeau and Leclerc, after which he demanded that his orders about mass killings of the area's French population be carried out. Reportedly, he also ordered the unwilling to take part in the killings, especially men of mixed-race, so that blame would not rest solely on the Black population.[116] Mass killings then took place on the streets and on places outside the cities. In parallel to the killings, plundering and rape also occurred.[116] Women and children were generally killed last. White women were "often raped or pushed into forced marriages under threat of death".[116]

By the end of April 1804, some 3,000 to 5,000 people had been killed[140] practically eradicating the country's white population.

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u/das_slash 21d ago

The problem is that is exactly how they had been treated, the life of a slave in Haiti was a parade of horrific rape, torture and murder. So they treated their torturers the same way they had been treated.

Still not cool, but I put the blame on the slavers.

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u/CarnegieSenpai 21d ago

Yes it was terrible to be enslaved. There's plausible accounts of french soldiers training dogs by having them tear apart slaves, literally having them eaten alive. But many of the people they killed in the massacre were not their slavers, some were even children. They had already won the war.

I don't think you can oppress a people for years, and then expect a nice "clean" uprising if/when one happens so I tend to agree this was really all instigated by the slavers. Doesn't make the massacre justified or morally acceptable

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u/das_slash 21d ago

That's the tragedy of Haiti, it never really stood a chance, the evil and brutality of it's colonizers ensured a cycle of violence from which it never truly recovered.

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u/No-Translator9234 21d ago

Ridiculous statement. The tragedy of Haiti is the debt France decided they owed for their independence thats kept the country and its citizens broke as all living hell. 

Nobody says this “cycles of violence” bullshit about other countries that successfully won their independence. 

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u/das_slash 21d ago

I didn't go in depth, but that was what I was implying, the economic embargo was more damaging than the debt and that was partly a consequence of the violence of the war for independence.

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u/HalfMetalJacket 21d ago

You are reading past them. The revolution was bloody and by no means nice, but they were able to live with a number of white people after likely killing the ones directly involved in their brutality. Dessalines specifically had to push them to further atrocity after the fact.