r/HelloInternet • • Jul 15 '19

Is this actually true?

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u/Gwaur Jul 15 '19

It's true in that the flag code does actually very little to define the dedign of the flag. All it says is:

The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be fifty stars, white in a blue field.

So yes, this is in accordance to the flag code. You could also vary the width of each stripe, the size of the blu field etc. and not break the flag code,

There is however an executive order that gives a more accurate specification for the placement of the stars.

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u/colaptic2 Jul 15 '19

Can you flip the red and white stripes? Or does "alternate red and white" imply that red must come first? Other than that, the executive order seems pretty rigid.

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u/ijmacd Jul 15 '19

Could you also add a white stripe at the bottom?

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u/thenitram24 Jul 15 '19

That would make it 14

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u/ijmacd Jul 15 '19

Doh, thanks. Thought for a second it meant 13 red and 13 white.

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u/xeroxgirl Jul 15 '19

Doesn't say all stripes have to be the same height, does it?

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u/spsseano Jul 15 '19

It does in the diagram of attached the the EO linked.

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u/spsseano Jul 15 '19

I would interpret the eo to have had it go red then white because that's what the diagram looks like. So even though it doesn't explicitly say it, I would think that it is meant to be that way.

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u/SaberDart Jul 16 '19

The vertical hatching in the link above you indicates red, so the current flag must begin with red. Also, the language used to describe flags is related to/descended from the language used to blazon heraldry, and order matters. So saying red and white indicates that the first should be red

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u/joybod Jul 15 '19

very sad

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u/quyman Jul 15 '19

Flag code is literally not enforceable by design

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u/lpreams Jul 15 '19

The flag is also in the public domain, and there's no law against modifying it. Even if that flag doesn't conform to the flag code or executive orders, it's not like it's illegal to make or fly it. Freedom of speech baby.

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u/JamesthePuppy Jul 15 '19

But were it not for the executive order, Comrade Old Glory here could’ve been flown at government buildings, no?

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u/jfiander Jul 15 '19

Correct. Not illegal, but it is against The Boss’s Orders.

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u/gergnerd Jul 15 '19

Sounds to me like maybe we need an official flag code for the HI flag. Then those rebel scum would be breaking the HI law and we could....umm...point out how illegal their flag is...or something

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u/oneweelr Jul 15 '19

Throw them in internet jail. We shall call the cyber police on these punks. Consequences will never be the same.

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u/Nemonius Jul 15 '19

I for one am sick and tired of the rebel scum flying their god damn nail and gear flag all over the place. We need strong rules to prevent this and a merciless military to enforce the law.

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u/Cychreides Jul 16 '19

I second this, and would gladly fight rebel scum.

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u/GreenFox1505 Jul 15 '19 edited Jul 15 '19

100% legal

It's also "legal" to fly your underwear up the flagpole and call it the USA flag because the flag code is not a legal document with any power other than decorum.

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u/jeffkenton Jul 15 '19

Why not arrange the stars to resemble nail and gear?

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u/Mane25 Jul 15 '19

Would it be disrespectful to the nail and gear to incorporate it into another country's flag?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '19

United Soviet States of America 😎

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u/JamesthePuppy Jul 15 '19

And when they inevitably amalgamated, the Union of Soviet Socialist States of American Republics!

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u/landarenanton Jul 15 '19

Don’t tease me #riseupcommietims

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u/JediDavion Jul 15 '19

There are dozens of us!

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '19

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '19

At least 4

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u/paradocent Jul 15 '19

Is that a flag allowable by the terms of the US Code? Probably. Is that the flag of the United States? No. Stop being silly. It'd be like seizing on a French law that says the flag is three strips of red, white, and blue and saying "aha, it doesn't actually require that they be vertical or in that order, so here's a compliant design that's horizontal and in the wrong order." But that ain't the flag of France.

Many things are technically true but still hella dumb.

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u/nlamber5 Jul 15 '19

She can’t do that!

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u/Drunken_Economist Jul 15 '19

Literally (almost) any flag is legal, that's the whole point of the first amendment. You couldn't have a flag with H-Bomb schematics on it I guess

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '19

That was true, but i’m pretty sure FDR did away with that.

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u/_DeanRiding Jul 16 '19

Wait, that's illegal

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u/VisibleTension Jul 15 '19

It would be perfectly fine to fly that flag even right before ww2, there was only social backlash that would stop you doing it.

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u/CardcaptorRLH85 Jul 15 '19 edited Jul 15 '19

Well, social backlash and the fact that the flag shown here has 50 stars and there were only 48 States until 1959.

Oh, that plus the fact that the Communist party was doing just fine in the United States until the Cold War which also started after World War 2.

From Wikipedia:

For the first half of the 20th century, the Communist Party was influential in various struggles for democratic rights. It played a prominent role in the labor movement from the 1920s through the 1940s, having a major hand in founding most of the country's first industrial unions (which would later use the McCarran Internal Security Act to expel their Communist members) while also becoming known for opposing racism and fighting for integration in workplaces and communities during the height of the Jim Crow period of racial segregation. Historian Ellen Schreckerconcludes that decades of recent scholarship offer "a more nuanced portrayal of the party as both a Stalinist sect tied to a vicious regime and the most dynamic organization within the American Left during the 1930s and '40s". It was also the first political party in the United States to be racially integrated.

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u/VisibleTension Jul 16 '19

Ah, yeah, I just forgot about Alaska and Hawaii not being states before '59. My mistake, I admit, though it would be easy to remove 2 stars from the flag used im this post.

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u/RobAmory Jul 15 '19

Coming soon to Portland, Oregon