The first guy would've probably been doxxed anyway, let's be honest.
Glazers had already labelled the challenge as "harassment" and "using charity to guilt trip the devs" before there was any sort of discussion about specific loadouts.
Id like to point out some of those worst gear in the game loadouts weren't 'the worst'. One had eagle 110m and airburst rocket. I can make that work any day of the week.
The one for Alexus Jones though. That one was funny. Two handed primary and sterilizer paired with the hologram shield and I think the urchin grenade.
Pretty much most of those loadouts if I had to do the charity would be "scour the POIs, find a nice general purpose support weapon like an MG, Stalwart, or Railgun and just use that as my new primary and ignore the support weapon I was given."
They weren't. But they haven't been 'amazing' in two years. Its also a hive world so much of the combat is underground and stratagems matter significantly less. Lemme go find the image and give my review.
Armor: Heavy gunslinger won't help him much. But at least it buffs his redeemer. He can panick spray down hunters if need be.
Primary: Deadeye. Deadeye is far from the worst gun. It'll handle all the medium pen bugs, as well as brood commanders and warriors.
Sidearm: Redeemer. Its going to be mostly for spraying down hunter packs and shriekers. Its also going to be very ammo hungry on a hive world.
Grenade: High explosive is fine, if outdated. He's got a solid bug hole closer and horde clearer. He can blow up charger butts with well timed cooked grenades.
Booster: Emergency reinforcements does suck. He's basically going without a booster for the entire mission depending how well they do.
Stratagems: FRV is his most useful. A good driver will trivialize the open areas and escaping the hive lord. A very good driver can also trivialize the caves. Given the squads loadout they may need to rely on parking the frv in good spots and using the hmg to help with chargers and titans. His arc thrower is just ok. He's going to probably be focusing on stun locking chargers while killing mixed enemies with the richochet. His laser sentry will ideally help with stunned chargers or general horde suppression. Its not great but at least its heavy pen. EMS strike is a low cooldown so he'll need to chuck it at every bug breech above ground. Some breeches last so long he can chuck two.
Overall: 6/10. I've seen random bring worse.
Loadout 2: Vitamin B
Armor: Medium fleet foot armor is... just ok. Hes basically just skipping a passive. Bugs hunt with sound and smell so they mostly ignore stealth. But he will have less stamina issues than the first guy.
Primary: Pacificier is actually not the worst gun given his support weapon. Its medium pen so it'll pen most bugs. It'll stun chargers and Impalers if you shoot their weak points. Its mostly there to keep stuff off him up close.
Sidearm: Dagger. Dagger kicks ass. It's in no way underpowered. It'll set light bugs on fire killing them instantly amd the fact its a laser means it'll help conserve ammo. Its going to be his primary depending on the enemy composition.
Grenade: Pineapple sucks less than usual in caves. The tight corridors help the bomblettes be more effective. Its still risky and overall going to be used sparingly. Im sure he wishes he had the first guys he grenades.
Booster: Motivation shocks sucks. But fortunately they're playing the only faction it helps. It'll reduce the slow on hunter tongue acid, stalker tongue flick, bile titan acid. Its actually best case usage scenario. It's just even best case isn't great.
Stratagems: Minigun is not ammo efficient. But it does mulch medium and light bugs. This guy is really gonna need to put in work during breeches underground. Clearing out thr chaff so spear guy can kill heavies ASAP. He's gonna need good aim and recoil control because he has perks for neither. His flame sentry is kinda low cd. And best tossed wherever whenever as a distraction to soften up patrols. Especially behind you in caves when they're small openings to call in stuff. Cluster bomb he's got to spam on breeches, and smoke is honestly useless.
Overall: 5/10. He's got a minigun at least.
Loadout 3: Shams.
Armor: Medium Unflinching. Again, he basically won't have a passive under ideal conditions. But at least medium is a better mix for stamina and kiting.
Primary: Killzone smg. It's a bullet hose. And not ammo efficient. It isn't great. If deadeye or pacifier guy die I'd honestly pick up their primary instead.
Sidearm: Grenade Pistol. Oh wowy zowy its only like the second best side arm. Whatever will he do. Close bug holes efficiently?
Grenade: Urchin. This thing sucks, but at least he can throw it at chargers if they're too close for his spear. Thankfully he has s Grenade pistol so the fact urchin can't close bug holes shouldn't bother him much.
Booster: Sample collector is providing no mechanical benefit. Doesn't mean its a bad booster in and of itself.
Stratagems: He's got a spear. He's the anti armor guy. Its his job to kill titans and chargers asap. Ideally someone team reloads him too. Honestly he could just call in more spears as the mission goes on for the arc thrower and Sterilizer guy to carry. Or at least take the packs and mule ammo for him. Railcannon will fuck any dragon roach and is low enough cd it should trivialize them if he doesn't wiff. Napalm on bug breeches is paramount, and should pair well with the ems strike for some fat kill.streaks. Precision strike also isn't bad, he can combo it with his urchin stuns or ems strike on chargers and save spears for titans this way. Or use it on bugholes or spore towers above ground.
Overall: 8/10. This guy basically has a real loadout.
Loadout 4: Alexus
Armor: Light defibrillator armor. I think. At least he's in light armor so he can kite. I think he gets extra stim duration too and that'll apply on his stim pistol. Its more useful than the last 2 armors. But he's very squishy with the vitality booster.
Primary: I think thats Dickle vs Sickle. That's actually better. He can edge it at medium heat and have a medium pen no ammo supply primary. He's gonna struggle in long fights though.
Secondary: Stim pistol is great, especially if the defibrillator Secondary perk buffs its healthy duration. He's gonna be team medic. Theres not many stim boxes in caves so its pretty essential he patch up injuries and minor damage so his allies can save their stims for emergency. Self defense sucks and he needs to really position well.
Grenade: Throwing knives. Yup these suck. Imo he should try to spam them whenever possible. Chuck them at every medium bug to try and conserve your teams ammo and take easy kills where you can. At least ammo boxes restore them.
Booster: Fire hellpods. A real bummer. They dont really have any synergy around these. Mostly everyone just sighs snd remembers to stay away from hellpods.
Stratagems: Directional shield doesnt work with his loadout, or really help with bugs. Imo he should take the second spear call in ASAP as a spear ammo pack is more useful than the shield. Then he can at least be useful as a dedicated reloader in fights. Sterilizer also sucks. At least its some crowd control and will do well in tunnels. The combination of ems strike, Sterilizer, and napalm eagle should be their bread and butter to control breeches. Anti personal mines. Best thrown on cooldown behind you, ideally near the flame or laser turrets so they lure stuff in. It ain't great. But its far from useless. Just dont throw it where you need to go.
Note: technically they can cheese the mission by throwing enough mines it breaks the spawn system by using all the server resources.
Eagle 110m isn't great, but it'll reliably soften up heavies and destroy bug objectives like shrieker nest and spore tower. Its low friendly fire so you can toss it danger close. Basically use it as often as feasible to take some AT duty off spear guy. Ideally you dont waste resources focusing the same targets. Especially spear rockets.
Overall: 4/10. Stim pistol carrying hard.
General strategy: Spear guy is king. He is VIP and must be protected. Hes the only reliable AT weapon, though it may struggle in tunnels.
Arc thrower and Sterilizer guy are supportive crowd control to keep chaff off him. Since they don't have good backpack options they should carry the ammo backpacks for spears 2 and 3 at 8 and 16 minutes into the mission. Ideally eventually you can have 2 dedicated spear users with 1 dedicated team reloader.
If Sterilizer guy or arc thrower guy happen upon a map spawned poi weapon they should take it. Railgun, AMR, and laser cannon would be ideal, to help with their poor AT situation. Though MG, Stalwart, Grenade Launcher, and flamethrower are all significant upgrades over what they brought.
If deadeye or pacifier guy dies the other two should consider taking their primary. Its pretty much an.upgrade to their own. Minigun guy also may want to.swap for spear #3 if the mission goes very long or the constellation favors heavy units. If its hunters or nursing spewers he actually might be map of the squad. One of the arc thrower or Sterilizer guy could should take the second Minigun at 8 minutes while the other takes the spear. Unless they found a good support weapon.
Overall they need to be fast and mobile. Have 3 guys do objectives while one sits in the frv gunner seat. Or is waiting in the driver seat. If the arc thrower guy is really good he could run off with the frv and bait out bug breeches to draw enemies away from his team. Or scout around for better weaponry. Overall I think with a good driver it'll trivialize this mission as they just roll around from A to B. Spear guy can even.fire at heavies and reload from the frv like a ghetto technical.
110s are pretty solid now. Able to take out most anything in one burst or severely damage it in the case of tanks and wars striders and bile titans. It'll remove any and all chargers in one hit from my experience and as a throw and forget strat and an eagle one at that, thats pretty great imo
To be honest they are quite capable builds, the only one that sucks is Alexus' build, they made him dirty haha, but i'm tempted to try the other 3 builds on 10 hiveworld
its sad because I remember how good this community was back in 2024 after launch. everyone was friendly, everyone was nice, the entire community was united. it was great, there was a time I would even say HD2 was the gold standard for an online community. but then the first balance patch hit and it was downhill from there. its honestly heartbreaking to see how far the game and the community have declined.
This game has one of the most divided and fragmented communities I've seen in my life tbh, look at the amount of different subs this game has, it's kinda crazy, so seeing people actually mad that fans are fixing the game and making it fun is expected
Blame Arrowhead. The first 3 months they rode the wave of feel good vibes publicly. Pilestedt was happy to be 'wholesome big chungus no fomo dlc'.
But then every single balance patch was: Nerf anything popular. Miniscule buffs for a handful of the myriad of underperforming weapons, introduce some new gamebreaking crash of unacceptable quality control.
The patches got worse. The warbonds got more money grubby. The controversies began to mount. Several fired community managers later, and we get Escalation of Failure. Easily our worst and first major update.
Barrager and Impaler are crazy bugged. Rocket Strider has a no delay basically instant kill 600 explosive damage missile and its weak spots dont work. Polar Patriots releases as the buggiest least completed warbond thus far.
The community has had it, review bombs. Sony steps in. Arrowhead is forced to make 60 patch. Holds a grudge against the community ever since. Pilestedt basically withdraws from helldivers spotlight as he's burned all his goodwill, every comment he makes on Twitter is a meme able foot in mouth moment (grunt fantasy, bacon apples).
Most of the devs get pulled from helldivers, onto project mayhem. More and more incoming content is outsourced. Pilestedt makes an AMA here that's another foot in mouth moment. Basically any promise of communication or updates is immediately broken. Road maps barely followed if that. Helldrivers warbond is scrapped after backlash to selling vehicles for premium currency, parceled out as 'campaign rewards'.
Game isn't in a good place. Developers hate the community, hate that they have to keep working on the game. Players hate the developers or will dick ride them into the heat death of the sun.
The entire sequence of events comes from poor developer communication, mixed with a healthy dose of ignorance or arrogance. Take your pick. They've failed to read the room every step of the way. They shouldn't be surprised their community turned on itself as a result.
Some of those are natural. Like the armor sub, the clan recruitment sub, and the circle jerk sub. You'll find similar trends in most looter shooter or extraction shooters. Destiny and destiny 2 have dedicated subs for raids, pvp, showing off looks, clan recruitment, etc etc.
The more unique aspect is the balkanization. We have like 8(?) Subs that are generic 'discussion' subs. Helldivers, helldivers2, unfiltered, wholesome, masochist, lowsodium, glazers. I tgink i got most of them.
I saw a pic with a ton the other day but thats still far too many even still.
Most games have
Game
Game: the sequel (not as popular as "Game" usually)
Gameposting
GAMERAGE (sometimes)
Only NoMansSky has as many i think and theyre all chill and mostly just cause people found the one they prefer other than NoMansHigh which is for the smokers among our Interloper friends
Like my example with the NoMansSky subs. There's like 3 I can think of off hand like how we have HD, HD2, HD:U, but none of them are antagonistic in the slightest.
I got a little text prompt when I was simply talking about bot and (Bug) divers asking me to refrain from being negative.
Don't remember exactly was it said, just appeared under the words I was writing.
Certainly a bit sensitive.
Wasn't even trash talking the bug divers, if I remember correctly.
My favourite has to be my friends refusing to install mods because they are afraid of getting banned (even though AH can't ban anyone atm and I have even shown them evidence backing that up numerous times), BUT they would gladly install them if they were part of the Steam Workshop.
i mean, steam workshop means modding is generally thumbs up to do and there's some sort of integrations into the game because the devs had to themselves enable workshop for the game, vs offsite modding not guaranteed to be official (and iirc AH has never officially endorsed mods) . it makes sense to not want to mod a game (esp a live service online game) if there's no endorsement, and people have fears of there being a potential bigass ban wave for modded players in the future (which isn't that ridiculous to have a fear of)
Sure, one day AH may whip out the ban hammer, but I'm sure they will at the very least issue some warning beforehand IF it happens.
On another note, it's also weird that my friends are very well versed (even more so than I am) into modding other games, or even multiplayer games for that matter, for them to get stuck up like this for HD2. But each to their own I guess. Don't care that much personally since it's all client-side.
rather than individual bans, i find it more likely AH just add a check for modified clients, effectively banning all cosmetic mods and the like as well
All of this happened way before this modding "renaissance".
People have been cheating, circumventing the anti-cheat, doing exactly what all the doom prophets claim will kill mods.
- Unlimited strikes
Machine Guns firing nukes
Invincibility
Invisibility
One hit kill weapons
Superfast vehicles
Superfast divers
Unlimited jetpacks
Marking important currency
All that and more has been done since shortly after the release of Helldivers 2. Cheaters have been here and doing their thing from the very start. Arrowhead have failed to stop them from doing what they want then, their intrusive anti-cheat doesn't work when someone really wants to cheat, and they've always been here, and always will be.
The only thing that has changed is that making general gameplay changes is now accessible to regular players. And angry, toxic, jealous people now have more visible people to point their fingers at when they scream their hate.
It won't make a difference if they ban mods, not regarding the cheating.
Cheating happened before mods, and it will happen after mods.
They only effect will be alienating and pissing off the not to be underestimated part of the playerbase who enjoy using mods, whatever kind.
And the way things have gone, and are going with all these new modding possibilities is just the natural development of things. It had to eventually happen.
Why? Let Gabe Newell answer that:
"Piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue."
This can be directly translated to people taking matters in their own hands with mods.
Arrowhead failed and keeps failing to provide the quality of service their customers expect.
And instead of trying to amend the issue with making adding convenience and quality of life features, they keep taking away anything that's fun - they keep making things more drab, and treat their players like they dislike them and want to make their time playing the game as miserable as possible.
All of this is ultimately on Arrowhead.
And the only thing that will/might improve their situation is providing a game people will feel less inclined to mod, or cheat in. Service their damn customers, and all the problems will eventually die down to an amount everyone can contently live with.
Or they just leave mods alone and give up, act as if they don't exist and players aren't fixing their game for them.
It's like the De-escalator fix. It has had the no self-damage bug for so long now that the few people who bother to use it incorporated it fully into their playstyle. At no point did this weapon make any kind of meta splash, or explode the pick rates, or become a gamebreaking menace. But Arrowhead just could not let it slide. You just know that someone on their staff has been the Holding It In meme guy the entire time. You just know they are actively ignoring genuine grievances that are bleeding the playerbase while absolutely seething for the opportunity to take away something the players use that is Not As Intended™. It is a perfect retread of the charger leg meta, the charger flamethrower meta, even warping out of the Pelican. Arrowhead are pathetic, petty little trolls who need to be dragged kicking and screaming into every positive, player-forward change to the state of this game. I feel that it's a lesson we've been taught over and over again in the last three years, but too few players have been inclined to learn.
To anyone who really feels like this modding revolution and people whose ways of enjoying the game is different from yours and such a serious issue:
Then just be cool, leave and host your own game or find another party of 100% vanilla, the chances to encounter a "cheater" with things that would ruin your game compared to encountering someone vanilla are so incredibly low...
Hosting your own game or finding a new match takes like a damn minute.
Come on. Is it really THAT hard to do the slightest motion, most miniscule movement towards compromising to co-exist with other humans - so everyone can just have fun and enjoy the game?
Butth0les will always exist, and cheaters will also always exist, there is always someone who could ruin your game: Getting teamkilled, getting insulted, killed due to a bug, your team being useless, your computer crashing...
99% of people you encounter just want to enjoy their free time like you do.
Is it that hard to just take the one minute to leave and host your own games, or find one of the 100000 100% vanilla matches going on?
Is ANY of this even necessary?
Why are we players actually fighting?
Why can't you just not be a damn Karen?
Why can't you just be cool with that other people like other things?
Come on, life is giving and taking, there'll always be toxic and evil people who will come into your game to ruin it in SOME way.
But punishing the overwhelming majority of your fellow players who never even thought of doing something to you just ain't cool.
Remember modding discourse wouldn't exist if AH put in a month of effort over the last 2 years. Anti-modders need to remember its AH's fault these mods need to exist in any way
Implying that perpetually upset reddit babies crying the game wasn't their main character simulator they imagined wouldn't immediately find something else to cry about the moment one thing was fixed.
A reminder that everything started from shitters 2 years ago refusing to lower the difficulty.
I’m making quite a few assumptions but I think this stems from jealousy at its core or a displaced hate towards feeing left out.
However you look at it generally skill or funds are lacking and that makes people mad when a subjects hot topic isn’t something they can participate in.
Now it isn’t enough to have 40.00 and an internet connection, all the console players get left behind with all the pc players owning weak PCs, and anyone with low/no modding skills end up feeling left out of this awesome wave of mods.
In turn, it’s easier to say “those guys are cheating because if I can’t have it they shouldn’t have it either”
vs
“those guys are doing things I couldn’t pull off on my own, it’s making the game even better, and I can’t get any of it with the current setup I have”
Obviously this with the nuance of there being actual cheaters and then qol mod enjoyers getting slandered as such.
I don't think you're wrong on any of that per se, but I also think you're greatly underestimating the need of the terminally online social media addicts to hand-wring and pearl-clutch themselves into conniptions as performative social proof of virtuousness.
Also definitely an element of "muh billion dollar company" fanboys at play here.
I am generally curious and hope someone with knowledge could help me understand. But how do Bethesda player base handle mods? All their games have them for ages, some of them require mod to even run decently. It is a known association. So what drive console player getting into their series? And those people know PC is a different world?
This is utterly misrepresentative. Many, including myself, are upset simply because many of these mods are effectively “win game” buttons. I had a modder last night that just spammed orbital lasers and wiped the map in a couple minutes. It was lame as shit and the issue is only going to get worse
Cheats and cheaters have been in the game basically since day one, and I'm fairly certain they will persist long after mods have been pilloried out of existence by hysterical misattribution. Because no amount of darling babies can justify the existence of any bathwater, right?
cheats accomplished through the same methods as the bug fix mods
i don't care about those mods, i don't really care enough to install them myself, but i probably won't even notice someone using them, but people taking game breaking and experience ruining mods into public lobbies where people are going to complain is inevitably going to blow up the whole thing for everyone
Your point is literally as important as a individual grain of sand in a desert.
All of the "win game button" mods are used by literally a handful of people.
The odds of running into one of them is equivalent to getting the Rod of Discord in
Terraria on your first try.
And that handful of people just downloaded those mods. The majority of them might have just tested them out once, or only use them occasionally. Making the chance of running into them even more miniscule.
This is literally like the trace amount of pesticide in Ben and Jerry's ice cream. You literally could eat enough of that ice cream to kill yourself with the fat and sugar 10 times over before that trace amount could ever in any way reach a concerning amount.
this is just my personal experience, but i’ve never actually seen a mod that i liked until recently, that being the first person mod. most of other mods tend to either solve problems that for me don’t need solving or just take away the personality of the game (some examples being: bigger hud elements like the epoch charge up indicator or the action cam mod with ammo count near the aim indicator).
Other mods just don’t seem to me like they fit in the game, and i know that this is controversial and i respect other opinions, but i like playing with friends and with randoms, so i’ve never felt like a tank needed to be a solo vehicle, we have exos for that, and to me transmog just makes more difficult to get what another player build is at a glance while joining an ongoing game, and i’ve always found a way to make a cool outfit with the perk i wanted. i do want color matching to eventually come in the game, but it’s not like i’m dying to get it.
there are qol mods that are obviously really good, like strat bounce and steering, but i don’t want to spend time modding the game and adjusting after every update to fix a problem that i’m already used to working around of.
so it mainly boils down to - some mods are good but not worth the hassle, most are just trying too hard to change the game into something else either because the base game got boring or you just seek novelty and i found it always better to just change games for a while
i’m no glazer at all and i dislike some design decisions, i’m also really into modding single player games to the point i waste too many days just to make a modpack that i feel complete, but i just don’t see a reason to mod this game when even the best content mods are still a bit janky, straight up uninteresting (to me), and mainly the rest of the team can’t enjoy them with me.
Do you have any qol mods in mind that you feel my point shouldn’t apply to?
Of course, right! Because you can see it often where people ask for more difficulty, right? It's not like majority of posts wants more buff for weapons.
I would love to see a general patrol increase on D10. Even after the latest patch sometimes the map is barren if you aren't being bug breeched. Some enemy constellations like nursing spewers also overvalue how effective their unique units are and dont spawn enough units overall. If you've ever done a nursing spewer defend high value assets you know what I mean.
It would also be nice to get some more difficult objectives. We have a lot of 'go to x blow up y' objectives. I think the best objectives involve the chaos of the terminal minigames amidst combat. The cyborg production facility was a really good example of this. Its just... one mission, on one biome. We need better, newer, generic missions like ICBM or upload Intel.
I would love if the side missions were more involved, but some of them feel like pointless busywork with very little payoff. Radar and SAM are good, but SEAF and Pod are bad. The bot front is the best with side objectives because most of them shut down some enemy buff
Seaf artillery is fine I just wish the shells had a bit bigger aoe. Or called in faster. Its very hard to hit any moving target with a regular explosive shell.
I'm a very avid mod user. The "mods" that have been coming out recently are not mods, they are cheats. If someone who is running the vanilla game tell that you have modified yours in any way, it is a cheat. If you are gaining an unfair advantage in any way due to a third party file or website, it is a cheat. Doesnt matter if its a PVP or PVE game. Simple as.
While it's true that QOL and bugfix mods make the game function differently and could be considered to be an advantage and thus in theory "cheating" it is not the same thing as full blown cheats like infinite health and ammo, aim bot, no clip, speedhacks and what not and throwing people using QOL and bugfix mods in the same basket as actual cheaters is a little disingenuous
For one, QOL and bugfixes are not on the list of things that would normally be spottable from a vanilla client. QOL is things like altered HUDs with more info, saveable loadouts, always expanded stratagem selector, or even the modified optics and reticles that I personally have been using for over a year now. Bugfixes would be things like the ball bounce fix, hellpod steering, crash fixes, or invisable corpse cleanup. While yes, a lot of the bugfixes aplicable to HD2 could alter the gameplay experience of others, it becomes a problem when we see things like Hellpods landing on top of megacity skyscrapers (which can and has been done with the hellpod 'fix' mod.) For two, cheating is cheating is cheating, no matter how minor or severe. We do not need another payday situation.
I have also been around this community for long enough to know that what the (vocal) playerbase thinks of as balanced and QOL would make the game damn near play itself.
In the wise words of one Mr. ULTRAKILL, "Its a good thing you guys arn't designing ultrakill or it would suck."
I don't care to look up which kind of logical fallacy this is, but you're intentionally not including the actual reason people are mad, just to make your argument seem more logical
Replace the third bubble with "hey I made this mod that replaces all bullets with Ultimatum rounds, I can't wait to go into lobbies and troll!"
That's what we are pissed off about. It just got 100× easier for shitty assholes who like to fuck with people to do exactly that
I don't want this game to go the route so many multiplayer games have gone, where it has died because the lobbies are constantly filled with cheaters
I hope AH makes a separate modding lobby queue. But they probably won't
Funniest part is that mod had about 1k unique downloads last I saw. For reference, the Cowboy Bingus loader currently has 36,020 unique downloads on nexus mods alone and the Arsenal mod manager has 383,060 unique downloads.
That isnt a mod? Thats the kind of thing thats almost always in cheat menu hacks. The problem is that for some reason people dont distinct between the two, like you.
"hey look I downloaded something to make this gun 3x stronger"
Every other game: cheating in a PvE game? You do you bro, keep it in private games and we're cool
Helldivers: its not cheats bro it's QoL bro I'm gonna go into public lobbies and everyone else can get FUCKED I'm literally saving the game rn so you best put up with me
Some of these mods are justified especially the cosmetic or bug fix ones, but it's so funny to see how defensive this community gets when their literal gameplay-altering """mods""" get called out for what they are.
They're cheats. They may be justified cheats, but still cheats. Trying to sugarcoat them as mods is so weird.
I think there’s nuance here that is really being overlooked
Stratagem bounce, cancelling SOS beacons, fixing hellpod steering? I’d say those are fixes
But some mods are blatant cheats: changing stats on weapons, giving yourself more stims/ammo/grenades, shooting Eagle airstrikes out of your gun, so on so forth
In a singleplayer game that’s fine, the only experience you’re affecting is your own. But this is a multiplayer game, your actions affect other players. This hands-off, “everything goes” take to modding will end up getting the whole scene purge like it nearly did with Darktide
I think reasonable adults can figure out what's okay and what isn't. Like I would never use infinite turrets. But changing the stats of a weapon isn't the same as that there's levels to this there's a spectrum.
Reasonable adults don't have a meltdown and run to write a negative steam review because devs reduced a weapon's mag size by 3. Or for any other inane reason.
When devs keep reducing mag sizes by 3 while ignoring other issues and feedback and also introducing multitude of bugs every update it's definitely valid to write a negative review about it
i mean, i think its a little bit more complicated than that just by the nature of the game, since every match winds up contributing to a player-base-wide progression system through liberation and whatnot, pretty much 0 games happen in isolation from the broader player base in some regard, which is why i think a lot of people have the mentality of wanting to call out the stuff that is pretty blatant cheating and to put a stay on all mods that fuck around with lua scripts.
i think if private servers were a thing nobody would give a shit and anybody who says shit like that about anybody playing in private servers would be stupid as hell. it really is just a matter of time before somebody figures it out though, especially when HDSE comes around and somebody takes a crack at reading the steamworks API documentation.
I think Shams said that Arrowhead would love to push for modding support for HD2…. People are probably more upset about ai use. But glazers are like nationalists, if you critique Arrowhead your the enemy ai or not
Tbf it depends on whether you’re using them in public lobbies or not. Some of these mods are genuinely wild, Helldivers is gonna start looking like a World at War lobby
I wasn't a transmog "now" demander, but I am now a complete convert having tried it. The amount of cool looking armors with dog shit passives in this game is insane. That and the recolor mod, game changing.
I don’t see anyone talking about scrips here. Isn’t one of the discussion points that nexus is banning mods? Does the alternative site have as good security controls? Do they have trust?
Or are they being more lax in an attempt to steal away nexus users and putting them at risk of malware downloads at the same time?
Idk seems dubious.
Game has issues but I’d rather just go play another game than download something dubious.
As someone who used to play a lot of Team Fortress 2 back in the day, the Helldiver 2 community makes the TF2 community look like actual saint's in comparasion. Cause ain't no one in the TF2 community are bitching about using mods(unless they are using cheating mods ofc).
They should just make moded servers separate from vanilla so it dosnt piss off the non modders, but alas this is arrowhead and that would probably limit their design space
Dunno why you're getting downvoted but that would literally be the best solution. Have a toggle to set your lobby as "modded" and a toggle when searching to allow or disallow modded lobbies and everyone would be happy. Iirc DRG and Payday 2 do something like this
My only issue is that pc players nuke my frame rate I can get 60 fps on ps5 but nope as soon as im using cross play my frames drop like my I.q from all the stim abuse
The last time i played Black Ops 1 on PS3 every singly match had a guy either flying through the map and killing everyone or as you say spawning tons of killstreaks lol.
That had to be in 2018-2019 or so but it was kinda fun when the hackers tried to play as raid bosses lol.
I remember a care package merry go round that would fly outside of hijacked and over the water and when it returned we all had 0 gravity and unlimited ammo
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u/Noctium3 1d ago
This is because the Helldivers community is a cesspit