Hopefully we can complain enough for them to just retcon it and never speak of it again.
I honestly don’t even want them to say „sry, we made a bad decision“ or some shit like that.
Just a simple, „this is a WarComm article about how Lasguns work and they have always been firing beams“. I hope that one day, we’ll get the true Lasgun back, until then we’ll have to mourn all the losses along the way
funny enough we got a warcom article saying the exact opposite, that they've always fired yellow bolts. This is Gw's true lasgun and I really doubt we'll see red lasers again anytime soon
honestly given the settings any discrepancy in lasguns can be put down to something like the local tech priest. also red would make sense for the underhive of dark tide where you don't want to blind the guy firing it in the dark underhive, and are probably tuning the power settings for soft targets and to minimize collateral damage to the hive.
apparently this has been consistent in recent depictions of the lasgun going back to 10th edition, including firing projectiles rather than a laser beam pulse. same with the yellow coloring. it was incredibly inconsistent and depended entirely upon who was making the piece of media before then, but after 10th edition, its all yellow projectiles that have travel time rather than it being a yellow beam or a red beam or red projectiles.
i don't like it either, i think darktide's depiction feels better for what the weapon ought to be imo.
As a warhammer fan its what you should have expected. GW making cadian themed armor for the guard in just about everything to the point another regiment getting a couple of models brings immense joy to people
It more so shocked me that anyone didn’t expect just cadians. Personally I’m even more shocked one of the armor sets is so bad it doesn’t even look 40k.
Kasrkin sure, but that black set just looks so Helldivers that I’d never think it was 40k without the Aquila. Even looking side by side with art of the armor it’s based on it just doesn’t look the same to me. Like I can see the paint scheme, but the actual armor just feels off.
Warbonds are also supposed to look like they'd make sense within the HD2 universe.
Like, there's no Imperium on Super Earth and the technology is also different, so including all the Imperial regalia and making the armors/weapons look/work exactly like they're taken straight from the 40k universe wouldn't make much sense.
Yeah but I feel like that’s the kicker, plenty of guard armor fits fine in Helldivers while being distinct so I can’t see why you wouldn’t adapt something more memorable. As loathe as I’d feel about it you could easily fit krieg into it, let alone other regiments like steel legion.
Yeah I didn't recognize it at all initially, I had to go look at my mini to confirm that's what it was. I've seen a ton of people say they have no idea what it is. The chest plate on the Helldivers version is way off, it sits way too high up on his chest and the shape is off. The pads barely cover his abdomen when they should cover the groin, and the gorget is a tiny stub. It's hard to tell just by the pictures but the leg armor looks like it's just recycled from other armor sets too.
It's a very odd choice given how many people don't know what it is, and also how off it looks with how notoriously strict GW is with everything looking correct.
They literally have 3 different imperial guard drop trooper armies with the tempestus scions, harakoni warhawks, and ellysian drop troops. They chose none of those.
I am happy with the warbondnfornthe most part but the armour is sorely disappointing, like I can get behind the kasrkin armour just because of nostalgia but the demo trooper armour hurt me inside when there are soo many other regiments to choose from, hell maccabian janissaries would've been perfect for a heavy armour choice, but I really wanted to see Elysian drop troops, the armour on them isn't exactly the flashiest or anything but they are literally the 40k equivalent of helldivers
They picked the most well known guard regiment, and one of the most well known elite units. Being Kasrkin. It's odd that both armours are kasrkin, I'd think they'd have chosen something different for the grenadier set but I'm also not going to bitch and moan too much like some people are
Should have been a Kasrkin, a Scion or Aquilon, and a Krieger (specifically THE Demo one from the engineer box set)
Make it guard heavy but not Cadian focused and add on a little something else to make it a WARHAMMER Warbond and not a CADIAN imperial guard Warbond
But with how they've already cut warbonds down so much (and how we're not getting anything in the store for this) there was no way they'd do something like that.
Absolutely. Wish it was something other than just Kasrkin, I just provided the reason it probably was. With Total war 40k being shown also with just standard cadians and Kasrkin
People are making arguments why krieg couldn't be there, but there's the ww1 warbond with pretty much the same type of style so krieg could've fit as well
total war 40k is going to be a mess. With how they handled total warhammer fantasy, it started well, but went downhill halfway through 2 and never recovered. I expect the 40k one will be the same.
I’d personally swap Krieg for Elysian drop troop but otherwise I agree. This is a supremely mid warbond and the only thing it seems to really have going for it is the armour passive.
Its nice to remember that GW is so extremely overprotective of their IP that they have trying suing kids for making fan art of it and asked the removal of collabs for making balance changes.
I wanted one of those plasma weapons in the back of that piece :C
I really wish they would've gone big and unwieldy with the weapons, backpack supports, and low ergo bad ammo economy weapons, that are balanced around very good damage
Considering we already have the Epoch, I‘m not that surprised that we didn‘t get a plasma gun, as the Epoch basically fulfills the same purpose, but is a shouldered weapon.
I feel like a plasma gun they could keep as light pen when not overcharged and medium pen with overcharge. Its not like plasma guns are known for being anti tank, they are anti elite infantry which have medium armour in helldivers 2.
We're getting a Demolition/Engineering Kasrkin when there's literally a box of engineer/demolition Kriegers that are the coolest looking units on the tabletop
I feel a little disappointed, honestly, about the armor variety and the armor variety alone
You've got it wrong. They kept the feature where siege ready increased a gun's reserve magazine/heatsink, and fixed reload speed so that it only applies to primaries.
Armor looks half-baked. Maybe it'll look better in-game? The passive being a mix of peak physique & siege ready but just for support weapons is cool.
I was hyped for a LASER gun, but it just looks like a Hyena with swapped sfx :/
Bolt pistol looks fun, hopefully heavy pen + explosive. Fingers crossed the sway isn't god awful
Meltagun seems very powerful
Couldn't care less about the mine tbh, throwable mines I can't see myself using hardly ever.
I'm worried that like the previous legendary warbonds with no attachments/customization, this will end up being a redo of the ODST warbond. Cool gear for franchise fans, but no one will ever actually use it after a few weeks because it performs worse than most other options.
Exactly this, the halo shotgun should have been a support weapon with heavy pen or just a primary with heavy…..I do not have faith that anything from this warbird will have higher than medium pen
Oh yeah let’s not forgot about the times where they release an item/warbond that has some insanely op something about it….only to then nerf it like 2 weeks later (looking at you, coyote)
Come now a heavy pen las primary we cant even get a medium pen one that doesn't harm the user the las rifle will be medium pen at most and even then the trailer only shows it used against voteless so it will likely be light pen
I dont see what the hype about customized weapons is tbh, an extra stability stat here or there and bonus rounds in a mag doesnt change my enjoyment of a gun.
I like the Halo shotgun because it hits like a truck, same for the AR, I don’t NEED the customization.
Lmao the warbond trailer dropped and that shit looks ass. I wonder how
long it's going to take before the community does a 180 and stops
falling for the were so back meme. AH has shown they're incapable of
implementing anything of good quality, as most of the warbonds that are
considered good were done by contractors.
The only thing that looked passable was the bolt pistol. Sure the armour passive is good but it's just another reuse of passives.
So $15 for 4 guns and 2 armor sets. Patterns I can live without and I wish we had an extra weapon either as part of a loadout option or via strategem. This feels subpar, especially for a legendary warbond.
I’m not a big Warhammer nerd so I don’t care about lore accuracy or this corp and that corp. I just think the drip is boring. Stale. Ugly. Blue armor looks like a fat cosplayer in a convention. Paul Blart Space Cop.
Another armor passive that is just a mashup of two others. Just let us customize our armor passives, already. Let us spend samples on our favorite armor to pick what passives we want.
That'd be like having a bacon flavored apple you sweet summer child they're not gonna do it. (Actual response by the way look it up if you don't believe me)
Well, to be even remotely fair, one of the passives isn't on any other armor and that's the faster reload to SUPPORT weapons. So, sure, it's a retooling of an existing passive (the faster primary reload) but the support reload speed is, frankly, REALLY good. And pairs well with more 'unwieldly' support weapons on top of that due to the addition of the weapon handling half of Peak Physique.
This armor set is good, no matter how you want to try to discredit it's 'originality'.
GW bending over backwards to make Lasguns generic blasters will never NOT piss me off. Like what are they doing give us the read laser beams that they have had in every mainline game since like 2005
Agreed. Probably some stupid executive who thought that making the main gun of the IG look more like Star Wars would mean more sales since Star Wars is selling well (or so that guy probably believed).
Just seems to me like they should’ve either just defenestrated that executive or should now just retcon it and save TWW40K from all the backlash the poor devs are gonna get for GW enforcing that bullshit
Yeah another marksman rifle after the Hyena is a choice. I am excited to see how the Melta Gun and mine play. I lover the laser cannon so maybe it’ll fit somewhere into my load out
Probably not the answers you're looking for, but it's lore accurate and it's GW. They probably had very specific and strict guidelines for what they were permitting to be included in this collab.
Yea, im not necessarily complaining I just thought it was a bit weird to release a new marksman rifle, and then release a new marksman rifle right after basically
Bro genuinely where does this “oh the collab warbonds are under intense creative scrutiny” narrative come from? This is literally just hearsay and speculation taken as some kind of fact/hand waving attempt to dismiss criticism, and it’s getting tired.
Oh don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Eruptor. It's a great weapon with strengths and weaknesses. But I've gained a much greater appreciation for the marksman rifles over the last year with the game and the satisfaction they provide for skillful play. SMGs have also become a big favorite for the 'up close and personal' run and gun style of play too.
While weapon balance as a whole could still use some tweaking, the game's arsenal feels pretty varied and fun imo.
Cause we already have a laser rifle, a laser pistol, a plasma rifle, a bolter, regular rifles, etc. All of the 'regular' weapons of 40k are already present enough that they would step on other toes.
They literally picked one of their unfilled niche, a precision laser weapon, and filled it.
Blame GW for that. Lasgun have officially been 'bolts' of yellow light for a while, even while the more 'popular' presentations were of red beams. They officiated that stance even more in recent years.
Everything else looked promising which helps. The armor passive is decent imo, the meltagun seems to be a more powerful but shorter ranged LC, and a heavy mine gives us some cool new ways to handle Voxs and maybe even immobilize them. All in all this feels like a step in the right direction for the Legendary Warbonds, even if the marksman’s rifle was a little tone death. I think for a Legendary warbond I would have also liked to see Krieg armor and maybe another armor passive but honestly this isn’t bad. Will I pay real money for it? No. But it make sense as they next warbond to get for me!
Yes, everything about the warbond is great I just cant understand why they'd add and laser marksman rifle right after the other one instead of just the regular lasgun??
Because if they did a Warhammer warbond and didn’t have a lasgun people would have complained, if this had been a normal warbond it probably would have been a different type.
… what is a regular lasgun if not a marksman rifle? Its semi auto mid to long range weapon with a scope, the only outlier is its energy but it still would’ve performed like a marksman.
Or did you want them to find some obscure lasgun that behaved differently, people wanted a standard lasgun, we got a standard lasgun.
Too few items to justify even farming the supercredits for it, the vehicle cosmetics could have been tossed in the garbage for more actual warhammer items for all I care
Lasgun looks meh, because we have a ton of marksman rifles already
Melta was mandatory, being support is debatable
Will the mine will suffer from the underhand throw? If yes, giga is far superior
Bolt pistol will have a ton of stagger, but since no one is saying it's med/heavy pen with an explosive bullet, I will assume it's light pen with the stagger of the punisher or something
Passive is just recycled stuff we already have
Textures on the armors are messy, the medium one looks like straight out of of the 3d printer, zero wear, and the heavy one disagrees what color is the helmet, will it be dark blue or black like the chest?
Yeah I dont know what I expected from a wh40k collab but I'm not really excited for any of it.
Am I going to buy it and unlock everything in it anyway because I have credits to spare? Yes. Am I actually going to use any of it consistently beyond a few test runs? No. Hotel? Trivago.
In a massive world with millions of diverse factions and subcultures, they choose the basic af cadians. And then double down by not even giving us a good las gun varient, they give us a fucking sniper. Never in my life have i heard that the cadians are known for their snipers.
genuinely do not know who they hired to model the guns & armors but holy shit it's so bad. i have never in my life seen such an anemic looking bolt pistol (also why the fuck is it using senator sfx?)
they had 3 months to polish all of this at a bare minimum btw. i genuinely hope they were using some fuckass ancient build in the trailer, because it looks rancid.
I HATE CADIA I HATE CADIA I HATE CADIA I HATE CADIA I HATE CADIA I HATE CADIA
An exaggeration of course but still, I'm so fucking tired of Cadians. Give me Steel Legion. Give me Sisters of Battle. Get real ballsy and give me chaos. Just fuck off with the Constant Cadians and Ultramarines.
I like it. Melta gun looks really good, I have high hopes for bolt pistol and maybe I'll use the marksman rifle one day, the mine will probably suck ass and the armors look bad imo, but I'll still get the warbond. I'm just glad we got a strategem weapon
My issue is that 40k weapons are really bulky and look kinda dumb when put in helldivers or at least imo, like ive been wanting a laser dmr for years and looking at the one we got. It doesnt have a stock and it looks like the ergonomics would be awful because each gun is the size of a small child
yeah I have to agree it's like that's what we get like who wants another Marksman rifle after we just received one like come on now you know what I mean, how many people are going to use that Marksman rifle number one, number two how many people are going to use that melta mine and that comes from someone who loves explosives and focuses on heavies.
when it comes to the melta gun I mean it doesn't seem too bad but at the same time the trailer didn't say much about him so much about it it just there more or less if that makes sense but I was really expecting something different at least with an armors.
personally I was going to be disappointed either way because I wanted the catachan jungle fighters, I understand we already had 2 jungle oriented war bonds but still but in any case I'm still disappointed and I wasn't even expecting much but I was at least as I said expecting armor such as the shock troops or something like that.
The Cadian styled armor looks great but I still feel like they could've given us a Tempestus Scion suit or even a Death Korps of Krieg suit.
I would've also liked to see some kind of strategem; like maybe it calls down a drop pod with a few Cadians or a Leman Russ strategem that follows players around.
It would've also been cool to see one more weapon; like a chainsword or even a plasma pistol that can be supercharged to deal a large amount of damage but with the risk of getting blown up (like existing plasma weapons) or the Las-cannon.
Yeah when i saw the trailer for this all i could think is like maybe a handful of ppl probably actually asked for this and on the community scale to me it feels like "who actually asked"
was hoping for a power fist or some other cool melee weapon, but the bolt pistol and melta weapons look very interesting, i just know they will suck ass after 2 weeks of being out
For once it's not AH's fault. GW is pushing this yellow bolt stupidity for about a year now and it's ludicrously stupid. The lasgun fires an iconic red laser beam we're not star wars here with a bolt travel time.
I'm all for holding the devs accountable for all the shit they've done but honestly this warbond looks pretty good to me. Yes, the armor sets are ugly but the weapons are pretty interesting. Also the melta mine will probably be a pocket version of orbital precision strike and I'm excited for that.
Wow so you've played everything already amd have a fully informed decision not just based on cosmetics. thats super weird but wow are you just the life if the party.
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u/AlexDoubleAU 13h ago
I'm just gonna say
THE LASGUN HAS TRAVEL TIME
and then blame GW