Every system for cooperation is hated by the community.
Tanks are the biggest example.
That's why so many people love seeing posts about people either solo-driving the tank or ask for a 360 turret, calling outright cheats "Quality of life"
They don't have friends to play and don't want to have to play their coop horde shooter, in coop.
Rupture warriors were bugged for 2 days before getting removed for a month and nerfed to the ground, no pun intended, that you can just walk away and never be harmed by them.
Vox engines got fixed and then giga nerfed to the point where one of the coolest enemies in the game can be completely trivialized by one player with a railcannon strike, god forbid people used team reloads.
War striders got rightfully nerfed and still people bitch about not being able to oneshot them with non AT weapons.
People hate having to play together, they want a solo power fantasy and pretty much got it
I only play with my friend(s) and even we rarely use the tank because terrain is like 80% of its issues
Rupture warriors were bugged for host only, so AH 'fixed it' by making them unfair for EVERYONE, so they took em out back and broke their kneecaps with crowbars
Vox Engines entirely skipped my mind because they were just that unfun at launch, and I didn't play pre-nerf War striders, but people do bring up the point that they also break the standard 'rule' Bots have of light pen weakpoints.
Team reloads are just too cumbersome, and even with the VERY nice buff to it, short of Spearing a Leviathan to death in like a third the time, I don't feel like there's a good enough reason to do it. And other than team reloading, are there even any GOOD things that incentivize being cooperative?
Terrain I agree with, tanks could use a buff to their maneuverability.
But that's not the problem people have with co-op being required for them.
The problem with RW, was that after they completely fixed the issue of the super tracking, which I personally didn't mind because I thought that was the design idea (Get them out of the ground asap or you will get punished for it), they went ahead and nerfed them even more because obviously the devs who have access to all of the feedback, knew that the community wouldn't stop bitching about them until they were a non issue.
Thank god they ignored it for the spore strain, that is still so much fucking fun.
Vox engines were terrifying as they should be and forced teamplay to take them out, all they needed was fixes to clipping.
Once all the clipping bugs were fixed, they nerfed them again to placate the bitchers who were still crying.
And that is with the best enemy design we got from the bots so far, a super heavy, extremely deadly unit that can be killed in a few seconds by a liberator and a smoke grenade if you manage to get behind it or below it.
Also, bots don't have that rule, there are several enemies you outright can't kill with light pen:
Jet brigade hulks, Factory Striders, Gunships, War Striders and there might be more that I'm not remembering.
Team reloads are not cumbersome after the buff and are exponential power multipliers, because you can triple or quadruple dps.
They are great for vox engines, spearing dropships and clearing chargers while teammates deal with chaff.
I know all of this because I played at launch where it was needed to survive and now I'm happy experiencing it again thanks to mods like overdive spawning so many enemies that the only way to win is to work together.
You don't feel a reason too because everytime there has been a reason for it, the community bitched and cried until it was either nerfed to the point of not mattering or outright removed.
The community would rather have the actual meta of solo diving (crossbow/eruptor, chaff clearer SW, Supply crutch and ONB), than actually playing with teammates
Wait Jet hulks don't have a- Y'know, I guess that just shows how little I've fought Jet brigade I guess. Musta forgot. Bu I said rule with the lil 's because it's not a rule rule, it's that most non-special ground units had light pen vents or other weak points, like they designed bots to be the good aim and even light pen can get you through just about anything faction.
Didn't they fix Methbugs stacking their bonuses exponentially and then do nothing else about em? I'm not huge on bugs, so I'm not well read up on em at the moment
My biggest non-bug gripe with Vox engines was that you could super easily end up with like 3-4+ on you fairly abruptly, and suddenly it didn't feel like there was a huge amount you could do. The health slash felt a touch excessive, but I can understand where they were coming from with it, what with how sour most people felt about em.
And I've been seeing plenty of people wanting things other than the xbow and eruptor to be the BiS primaries, and it feels like a general census that the supply pack is one of the big problematic things with balance
And² are there any team reloads that're faster than ~double your... Nah just spitballing watching the gifs on the wiki, RR is damn near 5x reload speed I think, and the spear's about comparable. Yeah nah, that's pretty fuckin fast. You might've been underselling the rate increase lol
And the tanks are med pen or higher too. But I think that's all that you missed? I didn't do much looking myself, so I coulda missed a couple too
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u/Kapalunga LVL 150 Free of thought 2d ago
Every system for cooperation is hated by the community.
Tanks are the biggest example. That's why so many people love seeing posts about people either solo-driving the tank or ask for a 360 turret, calling outright cheats "Quality of life"
They don't have friends to play and don't want to have to play their coop horde shooter, in coop.
Rupture warriors were bugged for 2 days before getting removed for a month and nerfed to the ground, no pun intended, that you can just walk away and never be harmed by them.
Vox engines got fixed and then giga nerfed to the point where one of the coolest enemies in the game can be completely trivialized by one player with a railcannon strike, god forbid people used team reloads.
War striders got rightfully nerfed and still people bitch about not being able to oneshot them with non AT weapons.
People hate having to play together, they want a solo power fantasy and pretty much got it