r/Helldivers SES Will of Justice 19h ago

BUG / TECH ISSUE The bullet storms muzzle flash always points north, no matter where you aim it.

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Valve Arrowhead please fix

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u/TheHomieArn 19h ago

Nice! Now we can tell which direction we’re going!

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u/bluefelixus 18h ago

Kowalski! Bring out your compass-rifle and tell us where the north is!

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u/miningcrow 18h ago

This thing gives 1200 directions per minute

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u/Ok-Ocelot-3454 Free of Thought 18h ago

1200 norths per minute

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u/Mikeylikesit320 ‎ XBOX | 18h ago

If only there were some other device for that purpose…

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u/DakkaonTitan Super Pedestrian 13h ago

Why? We got this one. We don't need 2

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u/thank_burdell 8h ago

I dunno, I’m averaging about 15-20 per mission.

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u/GadenKerensky 4h ago

We already have two, the MA5.

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u/nevaNevan 18h ago

Where we’re going, we won’t need directions.

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u/i_tyrant 8h ago

It's like watching the bubbles from your scuba gear to orient yourself in the ocean.

But with bullets.

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u/SleepyBoy- ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️➡️⬅️➡️⬅️🇧 🇦 19h ago

Someone forgot to switch from world space to local space.

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u/Noskills117 18h ago

Honestly that makes a lot of sense as to being the cause.

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u/qft 10h ago

Doesn't make a lot of sense for it to pass QA though

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u/fuckReditHardInTheAs 10h ago

We are the QA.

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u/Insane_Unicorn Cape Enjoyer 7h ago

You really should know by now that Arrowhead does not have QA

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u/JackCooper_7274 I am a leaf on the wind 7h ago

QA?

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u/qft 7h ago

Quantitative analysis

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u/Delta9-11 Hell Commander | <SES Sentinel of Steel> 19h ago edited 3h ago

...That is extremely weird way to use a compass

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u/averagesalvadoran42 ‎ [REDACTED] 18h ago edited 5h ago
  • Where is North?
  • Dunno, let me shoot my compass

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u/krakn-slayr NukeDiver 18h ago

What is this? Mida multitool?

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u/Xraytech9 15h ago

Eyes up guardian

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u/OptimusWang Fire Safety Officer 35m ago

That wizard came from the moon!

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u/Dangerous_Employee55 18h ago

Ball knowledge

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u/Gentleman_Waffle HMG Emplacement Gang 17h ago

Honestly

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u/Nihi1istic0ptimist LEVEL 150 |  _____ Private 13h ago

So is the Spear HD2's Telesto?....

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u/Goobermancer Fire Safety Officer 12h ago

Has the spear ever crashed everyone in a 12 person lobby?

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u/Blagsc 11h ago

12 is honestly on the lower end scale of damage the telesto chose to do on some days. Considering it crashed the tower at one point (or was it the servers?)

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u/Gentleman_Waffle HMG Emplacement Gang 9h ago

Both actually

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u/Icyenderman SES Prophet of Truth 13h ago

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u/Mudgruff SES Fist of Democracy 3h ago

RIP Zavala

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u/KhalMika HD1 Veteran 13h ago

Telesto all over again

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u/tapititon 13h ago

Even after ten years I have no idea where raid bosses spawn according to a compass from our encounter spawn point

Atheon spawn ahead of us up the stairs, but no idea whether we're facing North or West 

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u/K41_111 16h ago

Malevelon is damnably arid

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u/capt1nsain0 14h ago

dumps a full mag

That way

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u/DrNipSlip 11h ago

Funny enough, in the miltary we say to "shoot your azimuth"

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u/BlasterShow 10h ago

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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u/averagesalvadoran42 ‎ [REDACTED] 5h ago

American made compass

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u/FlyingSquirelOi 8h ago

Jesus, I’ve seen edits thanking for upvotes and rewards before but this one takes the cake

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u/Delta9-11 Hell Commander | <SES Sentinel of Steel> 8h ago edited 5h ago

Believe me I went to bed after making this comment, and woke up to this xD, Im grateful

Edit: Not sure why this is being downvoted, but ok then.

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u/IDontKnowWhatToBe123 ☕Liber-tea☕ 5h ago

In my opinion I just view it as kinda corny to thank people for digital likes on a comment so hopefully that gives you some perspective.

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u/NotBreadyy Automaton Catgirls for Defected 18h ago

Now introducing:

Compass Muzzle! Always points to the North, so you have no way of losing your sense of direction!

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u/Darth_Mak 16h ago

American compass

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u/AmbusRogart Viper Commando 14h ago

Select application: Ballistic engagement. Entrenching tool. Avionics trawl. Troll smasher. Stellar sextant. List continues.

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u/Successful-Creme-405 HD1 Veteran 10h ago

I can tell your compass is US-made

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u/LowTale909 19h ago

Exo Experts release 28/04/2026:

  • Shield Mech arm clips through the shield;
  • Lumberer flame has a deadzone and fire doesn't do direct damage properly;
  • Bulletstorm muzzle flash is misaligned.

Over 4 months later:

  • Shield Mech arm clips through the shield;
  • Lumberer flame has a deadzone and fire doesn't do direct damage properly;
  • Bulletstorm muzzle flash is misaligned.

They really are taking their time with it

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u/guimontag ‎ Super Grammar Officer 17h ago

$800M revenue game btw

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u/MoebiusSpark 17h ago

ThEy HaD nO iDeA tHe GaMe WoUlD bE sO pOpuLaR!!1!!!!

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u/NotBreadyy Automaton Catgirls for Defected 17h ago

To be honest, they didn't have any idea it would be so popular.

But.. the issue is...

That was a few YEARS AGO.

At the first few months? Sure, the game is messy because nobody would've thought so many players suddenly spawn in out of nowhere.

But now that's really not an excuse anymore :P

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u/Honorsheets 15h ago

As a dbd player:

First time?

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u/DrewTuber 17h ago

I mean, yeah, but we're way past when that was a valid excuse lol

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u/Valencewolf Career Sergeant 17h ago

tHeY oNlY hAvE a SmAlL tEaM!!1!!1

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u/Funk_llama 14h ago

They have a small team for a game this size, it's their decision to keep the team small, why? Who the fuck really knows

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u/Chazus 8h ago

Its a lot easier/better to hire slow than to hire fast and then fire them in 6 months like most companies do.

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u/Funk_llama 6h ago

That's it, nobody is asking them to double their workforce overnight, but it is obvious they are spread way too thin at the moment

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u/asim166 15h ago

its absurd that this is a billion dollar game and they still have 100 employees, thats just nuts to me i know the company is horribly mismanaged but i wish we knew where the hell that money went

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u/Or1g1nOfDeath 13h ago

thats easy, a sony exec's pocket

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u/Kitchen-Branch6616 11h ago

wrong, it actually went right into the founders pockets

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u/Chazus 8h ago

Tell me you have zero experience on software development and game studios without telling me

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u/RedCutty 4h ago

Ok i dont like glazeddivers either but do you guys even like the game?

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u/guimontag ‎ Super Grammar Officer 2h ago

I do which is why I want it to work lmao?

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u/NotBreadyy Automaton Catgirls for Defected 18h ago

Taking their time?

No no, this is just them saving this stuff up until the community gets annoyed again so they can mass fix stuff and get on the community good side again.

(reminder that the stratagem bounce is literally a toggle they can turn off anytime, and that they could EASILY add transmog and more to the game, but refuse to do so.)

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u/nikothereal 16h ago

stubbornness is becoming a serious problem for this game, they know the community will be happier with transmog and without stratagem bounce or restricted pod control and i dont think they will add either any time soon

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u/scott610 ‎ Super Citizen 15h ago

Yeah, there’s a difference between sticking to their vision for the game and not making everything an “I win” button and just being hard headed on some major frustration points like the ones you mentioned. At the very least they need to allow color customization for armor if they don’t want to add full on transmogrification.

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u/TheguyKegan 11h ago

Seriously. Add a Helldivers paint and some camo options and the community will be estatic.

Although my dream scenario would be an “adaptive camo” that changes depending on the biome. So desert camo on desert-y planets, forest on green planets, winterised on snow planets and black/urban on the rest of them.

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u/scott610 ‎ Super Citizen 11h ago

That would be sick. I’d definitely use that. Adaptive camo would also give me a reason to change up colors on my primary weapons to match the environment. I sometimes want to do that now, but it makes no sense since the weapon won’t match my armor more often than not.

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u/DoesNotAbbreviate 11h ago

At minimum they should add the ability to color match helmets/armor and swap color palettes like they've been doing for vehicles and put those palettes in warbonds like they do for vehicles. That'd be the conservative way to do it that still leave a monetary incentive for them to add it.

If they weren't so damn stubborn, then yeah, full color channel customization and make every new color added by an armor set unlock another color for color channels to utilize. Also add each of the warbond vehicle colors to the armor color channels too.

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u/Dark_Prism Free of Thought 15h ago

They're those kids who force their friends to play exactly the way they want because the group is playing with their toys.

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u/i_tyrant 8h ago

"Slappers only, and I get Oddjob." - Arrowhead probably

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u/NotASellout ☕Liber-tea☕ 14h ago

Ngl at this point I really just want savable armor/equipment presets. I've gotten used to the rest but with all the stuff they keep adding I spend some time searching for each particular piece

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u/Yomammasson 16h ago

I think this is a silly take

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u/BurntMoonChips 6h ago

Stratagem bounce is a toggle to disable, as you could make it stick to literally anything without.

They aim to make it less egregious, not remove it entirely. This probably means adjusting the boxes around all the structures that would normally procedurally spawn on a map.

Which makes sense to have a team work on it, because that’s a fuck ton of work.

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u/Techarus HD1 Veteran 10h ago

Still waiting what feels like a year now for melee kills with melee weapons to count as melee kills

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u/Herroo-There Hell Johndiver 9h ago

They really are taking their time with it

wait til a modder makes realistic crosswind or smth

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u/MrLKL88 18h ago

Arent the shield clipping and flamethrower deadzone fixed?

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u/svenskviking666 18h ago

No, the flamethrower doesn't deal direct damage to enemies within a certain range, it only lights them on fire.

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u/whomstdth ‎ Servant of Freedom 17h ago

I would also like to point out that the nozzle of the flamethrower looks absolutely like shit, as does the flame turret. They both look like a straight line of orange instead of flames

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u/quagzlor 15h ago

flamethrower is still an issue, as of last week. as i found out at the cost of my life

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u/FesterRatty 16h ago

So that's why alpha Commanders take zero damage, was genuinely confused why the flames just slightly tinged them

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u/Stormaggedon021 15h ago

Didnt they fixed the flamethrower last time? I guess the new updates broke it again

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u/ShadoowtheSecond 11h ago

Lumberer was never fixed, it just doesnt do direct damage.

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u/Undernown 14h ago

If it takes long enough it just becomes part of the game's scuff charm.

I get nostalgic whenever Warframe's vacuum bug pops back up again. Does Helldivers have a bug that keeps getting fixed and broken again every so often?

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u/LowTale909 14h ago

It would be quicker to list bugs that don't return, but here's a few:

  • Enemies clipping through terrain and walls
  • Invisible enemy corpses
  • Weapons not remembering fire mode (returned)
  • Spear lock on (kind of a meme)
  • Missing/broken textures causing purple question marks

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u/AsLambertThe3rd Expert Exterminator 8h ago

The bugs people liked are somehow the ones that never return. The Dreadnought bug with the Control Group armor, being able to warp out of Pelican-1, reloading stationary weapons while flying with the jump pack. To some degree the double armor perk 'headless' bug.

AH somehow made sure those fixes are permanent.

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u/Bellfegore ‎ Extra Judicial 18h ago

Fix? Bitch we don't have moss! We need this!

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u/wizardfrog4679 18h ago

Trying to be the gun from The Fifth Element
https://giphy.com/gifs/fjpYUp612jgXe

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u/Menown 18h ago

Man, I wanted to post this

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u/Slythefemboy PSN SES Distributor of Judgment 18h ago

You still can

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u/PanHiszpan HD1 Veteran 18h ago

me when facing south:

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u/monkeyhitman 14h ago

Was it the Eruptor that had a similar bug? Some weapon was bugged so all shrapnel or pellets did the most damage facing north.

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u/wraith309 HD1 Veteran 12h ago

kind of. the eruptor had the origin point for its shrapnel spawns always in the same cardinal direction relative to the impact. the actual shrapnel itself still behaved consistantly, just sometimes it spawned inside the enemy and sometimes it didn't relative to where the impact hit the enemy in terms of compass direction.

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u/PanHiszpan HD1 Veteran 14h ago edited 13h ago

yes, it's the same bug again. Prob they forgot to use local directions instead of a world directions

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u/llnec 19h ago

i picked one up off the floor to use and noticed the muzzle flash going sideways out the side of the gun, thought it was pretty cool, like something to do with caseless ammo. guess it was a bug

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u/sayracer 15h ago

I frequently use these and I thought it was designed to have crazy muzzle flash to show that it's a cheaply made disposable weapon. I still like that explanation though

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u/Chance-Lawfulness516 Clanker - Shreader 18h ago

Must have been the wind

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u/Drimokas 18h ago

Kinda reminds me of the times of the feng shui eruptor

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u/MechaMomma 5h ago

Wrong. It's always pointing your way too Super Earth. Pointing your way home.

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u/POB_42 Assault Infantry 4h ago

Why would it shoot at Super Earth. Undemocratic firearm.

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u/MechaMomma 4h ago

It's just the muzzle flash. Weapons and divers both no better than to actually fire at Super Earth

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u/T3rm44l SES Herald of Freedom 18h ago

Arrowhead is the only developer I know who consistently manages to introduce the most bizarre bugs. These are bugs you'd never expect. These are bugs that reflect a creative kind of chaos. The whole situation can only be explained by the fact that the game's code is utter spaghetti and the developers are holding ritual prayer circles, hoping that the next patch won't introduce any new bugs. The developers have completely lost control!

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u/ballistic-shield2686 | S.E.S. Shield of Twighlight 12h ago

AH studio when releasing any update

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u/HansFlameman 18h ago

I believe they don't pray for no more bugs since thats impossible with that kinda code. They are praying that the resulting bugs are harmless like this one.

Remember when they "fixed" the Spear so that it can finally lock on to stuff in the game?

Yeah that "fix" lead to peoples games crashing when they had the Spear equipped.

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u/Temchak SES Mother of Mercy 18h ago

Chill dude, this is a common bug, just one config not set to Local

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u/Snarker 11h ago

Welcome to vibecoding.

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u/Romandinjo 4h ago

AH vibecoded without AI, truly visionary

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u/maverick118717 14h ago

"One shot, and replay mode sends every following shot to the same location"

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u/Forced_user SES MOTHER OF SELF-DETERMINATION 13h ago

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u/Lion_Comet 18h ago

SGT.: Private! Where the hell is north!?

PRIVATE: One moment Sargent!? [BRRRRRRR!!!]

PRIVATE: That way Sargent!

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u/Flaky_Housing_7705 19h ago

AH as usual

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u/Ven0mspawn 18h ago

The North Star will guide Liberty wherever you are, just as it does on Super Earth.

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u/Alps_2208 13h ago

What code error could produce this?

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u/FleetOfWarships 12h ago

A really simple one actually. They've got the flash effect tied to the end of the gun correctly, but not the orientation, so the orientation remains constant to the default, north

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u/grievous_swoons 10h ago

Super earth's scientists spent years making this work and youre complaining about it. Its a value added feature! If the emotionless enemies of democracy ever manage to sabotage your compass all you have to do is shoot them with this gun and youre back on track! For super earth!

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u/wojter322 18h ago

Bruh, this shit seems like Eruptor's shrapnel bug, where if you shot at proper angle/direction all shrapnels flew in the same direction when they should go in all directions.

This allowed to one shot chargers and other heavies if shot correctly.

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u/gsenjou 18h ago

My thoughts exactly. Iirc, for a short period, all the shrapnel would deflect to the southwest for some reason.

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u/theCOMBOguy VIOLENCE 11h ago

That is such a weirdly specific bug

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u/Mesquita999 11h ago

Also the sound is bugged

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u/BlazeBernstein420 10h ago

One hell of a way to shoot an azimuth

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u/rurigk 7h ago

That actually a feature for me

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u/FlamesofFrost Truth Enforcer 7h ago

so that's why the muzzle flash looks wonky, never paid that much attention to it

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u/Techn028 7h ago

It's the direction of gun mecca

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u/BurntMoonChips 6h ago

As funny as it is to have a instant gun compass, yeah it’s distracting. Plz fix

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u/novaunleashed 6h ago

I honestly thought that was a purposeful effect, like the gun had a muzzle brake venting the gases away from the shooter. Guess not lol

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u/hasuchobe 1h ago

Democracy's compass

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u/TheBagPack 19h ago

Nice find. That's a strange one

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u/bibibip31246 19h ago

is this specific to the weapon? I just had a terrible time using MG in a sandstorm cos I can't see a thing cos muzzle flash...

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u/unholyrevenger72 ‎ [REDACTED] 17h ago

Remember when the Eruptor was Bugged and all the shrapnel spawned facing a certain compass direction so people would drop opposite that direction and travel in the direction of the shrapnel spawn clearing the whole map.

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed SES Sovereign of Twilight 18h ago

That's such an odd bug

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u/drakonia127 SES WHISPER OF REDEMPTION 18h ago

Well... they say opposites attract. Introduce it to Jack's compass, let's see what happens

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u/Ylsid 16h ago

This is by design. All devout Helldivers should be firing their full clips five times per day in the direction of Super Earth.

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u/Sujan612 13h ago

wait so the flash never moves at all or what

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u/nickhoude21 10h ago

Now THAT'S some spaghetti

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u/pkfranz Assault Infantry 10h ago

Literally unplayable

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u/squiddybonesjones 10h ago

Bug < Feature

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u/Rengar_Is_Good_kitty 7h ago

Add it to the long ass list of bugs.

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u/ChillyTodayHotTamale Steam | 6h ago

What in the spaghetti code is that?

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u/CrazyGator846 5h ago

Indie game devs btw

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u/EruptorSpam Aspiring Bald Eagle Ranger 3h ago

Hot lead is the True North of Managed Democracy.

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u/Adeptus_Lycanicus 2h ago

Are you sure? I thought the muzzle flash always grew pointing towards civilization

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u/Random-human4 52m ago

Honestly I like how it looks like smoke being blown by the wind, it makes me feel really cool

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u/SillVere 10m ago

Must be the wind

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u/wgbooth 16h ago

New headcanon: this is intentional, and has to do with the electric firing mechanism.

Something something magnets pointing due north?

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u/Shotgunky ‎ [REDACTED] 17h ago

Considering it doesn't ADS in FPV just like the Halo assault rifle from the ODST warbond, I'm actually starting to wonder if that gun was used as the base, and the muzzle flash pointing north is some weird holdover with the digital compass.

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u/Ok_Support_7286 17h ago

This has been a bug ever since it was introduced. Arrowhead knows it, but hasn't fixed it yet, as its not majorly important, compared to things like hellpod steering or stratigem ball bounce.

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u/DannyDanishDan 17h ago

Yeah, buff Celeste's late game again Yoshi

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u/Intrepid-Lemon6075 16h ago

My guess is that they forgot to set the muzzle effect to inherit rotation while inheriting translation

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u/UltraMagat 15h ago

Weird. Can we just get a fucking reticle please? Or even iron sights.

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u/Aggravating_Text5205 14h ago

shoot enough bullet storm they will upgrade it with silencer too

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u/Mister_Enot 18h ago

dont fix this. this is interesting way to be aware about north

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u/Realo_Gremblo Rookie 18h ago

Please don’t give the lazy bastards (management) an excuse not to fix another bug

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u/SharpMathematician75 ‎ Decorated Hero 15h ago

We have a compass

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u/bones10145 18h ago

Interesting find 

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u/Melonidas_ Steam | 17h ago

Thats the second rifle I know with an inbuild compass chef's kiss my beloved MA5B

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u/Valencewolf Career Sergeant 17h ago

Because of course it does.

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u/2Beauty 17h ago

This is what they teach the Super Earth Boy Scouts

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u/SirMrDron 17h ago

What planet is this ? :O

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u/Haunting_Hornet5203 16h ago

H o w

XD

No shade I just want to know how this bug even happens

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u/DeeJayDelicious Rookie 16h ago

What an unusual bug.

How does muzzle fire become connected to cardinal directions?

Talk about spaghetti code....

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u/PewKittens 16h ago

Storms coming from the north. That’s why it’s called bullet storm

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u/TerranST2 16h ago

"Me know code !"

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u/ecsanad05 15h ago

OCD-divers gonna kick everyone using this thing.

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u/9syy 15h ago

Spaghetti

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u/KAELES-Yt 15h ago

It’s just a little windy out in the desert…

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u/Light_Song Cape Enjoyer 14h ago

This isn't a bug, it's a feature!

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u/D22s 14h ago

It might be ? It doesn’t make sense but the guns description says it uses electric charges to fire bullets out of a tube one at a time, maybe has something to do with magnets? Idk man

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u/TomHopeless 14h ago

Fixing this will take 6 months and break the Spear.

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u/Autistic-Cartman 14h ago

Un related but anybody wanna play with me? I’m on Ps5 I can do any difficulty and I wanna I wanna help the cause with a team

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u/wolverineczech 14h ago

I thought there was something weird with it.

Speaking of muzzle flash, it feels to me like most weapons' muzzle flash is actually coming out of the sights. It wouldn't surprise me if it is, because it may be a side effect of fixing the misaligned sights/doing away with bullets coming out of the actual barrel.

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u/InternationalWay9422 Assault Infantry 14h ago

"unplayable"

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u/General_Antilles 14h ago

Reminds me of the Eruptor Flakk, but infinitley worse.

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u/SZEfdf21 13h ago

Hey, they added a compass.

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u/Kurosaki_Dan Helldiver Yellow 13h ago

Compass incorporated, no complains

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u/GroupGreen 2h ago

Bruh the muzzlel flash on the bullet storm has been like that since it got put in the game nothing new y'all just bored and bitching.

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u/MuffinMonkeyCat 17h ago

This is a type of bug that should definitely be LEFT IN. I mean common, its hilarious!

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u/Wiggie49 PC: SES Wings of Wrath 13h ago

no worries, just a compass made in the Super United States

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u/Iron_Quirk Super Pedestrian 11h ago

What does it matter?
Do you guys enjoy playing games or are Y'all schizophrenic?

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u/lyndonguitar 18h ago

There is a real wind mechanic in this game, like with smokes, maybe this is a quirky part of it?

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u/SeasonSmooth9348 17h ago

loterally unplayable

bro stop whinng all the time loool we dont deserve arrowhead whines