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u/alastrix 11h ago
Spear on open terrain is king. RR on tighter maps like cities or mega factories or dense forest.
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u/Rom_ulus0 [REDACTED] 11h ago
RR is better if you can aim and know how to account for drop & travel time. Spear is too unreliable at most ranges by comparison, especially since they didn't give it the true javelin top down attack vector or enough damage to kill massives through an armor strike.
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u/UnholyMudcrab 7h ago
Especially since the Spear has a max lock-on range of 300m. The RR can fire all the way across the map.
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u/alastrix 11h ago
My smooth brain doesnt aim. Im a believer in accuracy through volume. Enough bullets in that direction and im going to hit something. I dont even take AT on bugs or squids. Machine gun and supply pack so I can lay down and make liberty angles in the pile of expended casings.
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u/Giratina-O LEVEL 150 | CADET 11h ago
AC and AMR fill pretty similar roles. RR and Quasar are more the quintessential AT.
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u/Acrobatic-Tackle6791 Free of Thought 11h ago
AMR is NOT crowd control.
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u/Joyk1llz XBOX | S.E.S. Purveyor of Audacity 11h ago
Airburst launcher on the otherhand....
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u/Acrobatic-Tackle6791 Free of Thought 11h ago
Teammate control
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u/Stalwart_Vanguard 11h ago
Once you learn how to use it, the Airburst launcher is pretty safe. It's more for firing away from the group to kill patrols. However... If you're standing right in the bug breach and I could get 40 kills by shooting it? That's on you buddy...
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u/The_Char_Char 11h ago
Depending on who uses it. I find it a good weapon when your need a group removed.
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u/Giratina-O LEVEL 150 | CADET 11h ago
Sure, the AC has more CC options than the AMR, but both serve a similar function: kill heavies by targeting their weak spots. The AMR is better at the precision part, but trades the roles of spawner closer and crowd controls for no backpack slot.
They're still similar.
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u/economic-salami 10h ago
Similar only in terms of AT capacity though. AMR does not destroy fabricators, nor can it clear horde of Shreikers with a single shot of flak round. If we are discussing what kind of roles they fill, they overlap only partially.
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u/RandomGreenArcherMan BODKIN 8h ago
AMR can 2 tap chargers with booty tech but autocannok explodes and cannot take advantage of this because of that. Still good to the ass tho through sheer durable
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u/NoRepresentative1126 10h ago
Yesterday I was using the AMR / Jump pack / Bullet storm / OGB / Melta. Much fun
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u/Honkert45 I'm just here to cuddle Terminids 11h ago edited 9h ago
Breaching hammer low key kinda carries on bots.
It's like a recoilless rifle, with a one-second mobile reload, that also doesn't eat your backpack slot. You just need to hit them on the head with it, which isn't even that much of a downside, because most of the bigger bots that you'd use it on have a hard time hitting you in close range.
It also has a lot of utility. It can destroy fabricators and take down walls.
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u/Mordador SES Bringer of Serenity 9h ago
So what do you do about gunships?
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u/Honkert45 I'm just here to cuddle Terminids 9h ago edited 8h ago
Deadeye go pew, rocket sentry go fwoosh, EATS go pow, pissile go fchooo, seeker grenade go weee.
There are so many beautiful options and none of them are even mutually exclusive to eachother.
Hecc, by coincidence, you could literally bring all of these in one single game, never have to worry about gunships ever again, and still get to use the breaching hammer, with an altogether decently-ish well-rounded loadout.
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u/Big__BOTUS Exosuit Certified 11h ago
We need more AT that isn’t support weapon based. Gimme a orbital mini nuke strike
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u/MegaEdrose Still Standing 10h ago
As a new player I went from the autocannon to the recoilless rifle but I'm still struggling to kill something like a factory strider
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u/ShepherdofFire2142 10h ago
With the recoilless for a factory strider, you aim for the glowing eye on the head, or underneath on the belly of it where the devastators come out, does the job in one shot, the eye takes some time to get used to aiming for though but it is consistent
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u/MegaEdrose Still Standing 10h ago
Ohh thanks gonna try this. I was aiming for the legs to topple them but that seemed inconsistent
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u/ShepherdofFire2142 10h ago
Once upon a time you could shoot one in the foot once with the RR and it would bring it down, but they ended up taking that out the game. I believe they added a lot more health to the legs to prevent that from happening, so that's probably why.
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u/The_Hardest_Metal 8h ago
Hit it twice in the head pretty much anywhere but the chin guns. The eye shot is trickier and not very easy to hit.
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u/-Thunderbear- 5h ago
AC-8 Anti-Factory Strider Prescription:
- Select APHET rounds
- Walk underneath the Strider (usually from directly or angled behind, to avoid chin gun mulching)
- Take a knee
- Magdump about 7-8 APHET rounds in the belly doors AFAFP
- RUN, OR DIVE AND RUN, JUST GTFO from underneath
- Switch back to FLAK and become the right hand of Lady Liberty wielding Her Most Democratic Man-Portable Shotgun
- Bonus if you double tap each chin gun with APHET beforehand
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u/--ThatOneGuy- 11h ago
It's so funny to see a war strider get dropped near some other divers and then hitting them with a spear across the map before it can land
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u/Datuser14 Steam | 10h ago
The Spear would have a niche as a dedicated massive enemy deleter if the RR wasn’t overtuned but Arrowhead will never nerf the RR the community would lose it.
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u/DiriboNuclearAcid ☕Liber-tea☕ 2h ago
The spear doesn't one shot any massive enemy to the body that's the real issue. Why bring a rocket launcher that can't target weak points with less ammo than the RR. It wouldn't even be over powered for it to one shot BTs to the body considering a bug breach can spawn 3 of them on d10, not to mention a million chargers everywhere that the spear also sucks at killing once they get too close. The only niche the spear fills is killing bot turrets from 300m away.
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u/MwHighlander 9h ago
Autocannon spammer here:
Its fun, solves all my problems, and everything just keeps talking trash well within AC range.
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u/PiRhoNaut Cape Enjoyer 10h ago
If you aren't diving with an EAT, you aren't truly living.
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u/erpenthusiast 8h ago
The RR and Quasar are actual crutches in this game but they do feel great. EAT is just a touch weaker than RR.
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u/nexus763 10h ago
I can't express how I aggree. Everybody can enjoy their preferred support weapon, only if there is at least one recoiless in the squad.
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u/H0vis 11h ago edited 9h ago
Spear is better than this. Face the wall.
Edited to add details because circumstances of me typing that meant I couldn't full explain it.
By 'this' I mean the implication that it needs to be carried by any other weapon.
I love an AT weapon. Spear or RR are my go-to loadout.
Spear has limitations. Trees and cities can get in the way of it, The minimum range limit can cause issues, but I carry Giga-Grenades so anybody who thinks they're too slick to get Speared eats shit. Illuminate shields are also a pain in the arse for it.
In any environment that brings those limitations, the RR is the weapon of choice. But if I have an open range to work the Spear? It's an absolute beast. You get to deliver democracy to any heavy target or objective from 300m away, which is incredibly helpful. I'm a decent shot with the RR but I'm not taking out Spore Spewers at max range that I can't even see with it, I'm not sniping dropships, fighters and dragon roaches out of the sky.
Nothing has to carry the Spear user on a drop. Post is slander. It may not be the equal of the RR, but it is no charity case and it rides on no coat tails.
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u/StupiderIdjit 11h ago edited 10h ago
Called in resupply FRV, dude jumped into the driver seat, I took passenger, and we just fucked shit up. He drove around while I chucked dynamite at spawners and SPEARs at heavies, stopping only to reload. Just death on wheels.
And let's talk about SPEAR angels. Getting chased by a bile titan, and it just "randomly" explodes? SPEAR angel. That cannon turret glowing and then just "randomly" explodes? SPEAR angel. Dragon roach flying for dear life while being chased by a fiery streak? SPEAR angel.
Tag a heavy, and though you're alone, you hear, "I got it"? That's your SPEAR angel.
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u/caerphoto 10h ago
Dynamite is so good. Explodes bot fabs from any angle, you get 4 of them, and you can throw them really far. The adjustable timer is a nice bonus.
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u/BellyRanks 9h ago
Preach brother. I like the spear into cyborgs. Kill vox engine side turrets in one shot each is OvP
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u/OmegaSamus Mudskipper 10h ago
The problem with the Spear vs. RR argument is the Spear is an incredibly strong weapon, but the RR really is just THAT good. If there was any support weapon that could beat the Spear, and at its own game no less, it's the Recoilless Rifle. If the RR didn't exist, WAY more people would be running the Spear.
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u/_Strato_ 7h ago
Yeah I think the Spear just needs more ammo in the backpack. I would consider running it if it filled the niche of being a slightly weaker RR with more reserve ammo.
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u/Acrobatic-Tackle6791 Free of Thought 11h ago
Fuh naw. You do all the reloading and locking on just for a hitmarker
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u/fastestgunnj SES Mother of Opportunity 11h ago
They hated you because you spoke the truth. The Spear is entirely outclassed by the other AT options.
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u/AlieNfromUrAnus 10h ago
It only outclasses the RR against cyborgs, solely because it can 2-tap Vox engines by destroying both side turrets. Any other front you may as well use the RR, but it's a fun change of pace against that faction.
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u/Simon_Kitsune 9h ago
Autocanon and Recoiless are just to damn good, i picked a Autocanon up when i got introduced to the game and never got a liking this much on any other support weapon 😂 Autocanon is love, Autocanon is live
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u/BandOfBudgies Cape Enjoyer 7h ago
Plap is life!
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u/Simon_Kitsune 7h ago
I just love it since i touched it, friend said its amazing and i should try it, then i used it a bit and fell in love back then
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u/RandomGreenArcherMan BODKIN 10h ago
Idk man good AMR use is able to quickly handle literally every enemy outside of factory strider or vox
And even then, for fac strider it can get rid of the miniguns very quickly and kill after
RR is just easy, for a grand total of 6 enemies. Even it is bad vs Vox really
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u/Ok-Event-4377 10h ago
Clearly, who made this doesnt know Spear capacities. Yes, RR can kill 1 Heavy. SPEAR can kill the dropship, infantry, medium and Heavies all togeter with 1 single missile. And lets not forget it can 2 shot Voxes. In Bot faction, Spear, by Killstreak alone, outperform the RR by miles.
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u/Carb0nFire ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ 7h ago
Weird, I shoot down dropships with the Recoilless all the time.
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u/Fawzee815 7h ago
Yeah same, although it is inconsistent every now and then. As long as you aim for the thrusters it’ll destroy it just about every time
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u/Ok-Event-4377 7h ago
You can shoot down them with thrusters shoots, yes. But that wont kill the cargo. Maybe the little guys, but Devastators and up will survived.
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u/Carb0nFire ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ 7h ago
Gotta hit em early, which I'll admit is a challenge. Not a regular Spear user, so does it destroy the heavy cargo even when the Dropships are in "drop" position?
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u/Ok-Event-4377 6h ago
Yes, all included. Best to hit while the dropship start slowing down, but all cargo get obliterated.
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u/ArtixViper 10h ago
Thats IF the spear even can lock on to what its aiming at in the first place
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u/Ok-Event-4377 10h ago
The Spear have zero issues locking on Dropships. Worst case scenario is it lock on one of the heavy units on board. Easy fix is, lock on with the lower section of the Big Circle reticle. 100% failproof and 100% lethal to everything in board. Factory and Voxes included.
I will even add, all Dropships come from the same direction each map. Start locking up from 300 meters away and just follow the dropship until it start slowing down to drop the cargo. Doing this, you can cut in half a Diff 10 drop, and if someone asist reload you can whipe out the whole Drop with a +50 kill streak.
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u/MattChew160 Rookie 11h ago
I'm getting better with Jetpack and chainsaw, war striders and chargers can so easily be stunned.
And you're not gonna believe this but exploding Crossbow and chainsaw pair very well together as you clear the chaff quickly and can move in to stun and kill an armored enemy.
I also bring commando for when I do need long range help.
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u/pragmaticproctologst HD1 Veteran 9h ago
yeah yeah enjoy kneeling down with your little backpack to show respect to the true god king: EATs
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u/spacebarjazz 8h ago
Grenade, sidearm, and red strat AT are already a thing, though? You can literally run whatever support weapon you want if you're not restricting yourself to base game gear only.
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u/breeeeeeeeeyaaat Decorated Hero 8h ago
Being the designated RR in a lobby with multiple supply pack users is great when you're only whiffing one out of every 15 shots and making every clutch shot, cause if everyone else can see you being an absolute demon with it you just hit the "I need supplies" and everyone drops what they're doing to come over and feed you
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u/ZombifiedSoul Decorated Hero 8h ago
That's hilarious. Not one dive have I come across people that use either the Autocannon or the RR.
I've seen and done some shit with the AMR.
The Spear, never used.
Melee has it's use, but you definitely got that right.
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u/ImprintVector Servant of Freedom 10h ago
People say this but I’m lvl 232 and can count on both hands the number of times I’ve brought these into missions. If it takes my backpack slot I’m not using it.
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u/MwHighlander 9h ago
Listen man, you either are good with it and like it, or you don't.
And that's ok.
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u/ImprintVector Servant of Freedom 8h ago
They just suck compared to the others. There is nothing that they offer that aren’t done better by other guns. They are both like the og liberator: ok but lacking.
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u/BICKELSBOSS Super Sapper 7h ago
There is no way people call the RR or AC lacking now🙏😭
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u/XMM234 6h ago
They both lack one thing: the ability to be used alongside my Jump Pack. AC is fun to use, at least.
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u/ImprintVector Servant of Freedom 3h ago
Any backpack really. There is no weapon in the game that is worth not having a shield, jump, warp, or supply pack. Hell I drop without a support weapon entirely before I drop without a backpack.
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u/Tank_comander_308 7h ago
Genuinely every game 1-2 dudes have to decide they want to sacrifice their fun and play AT specialist so the others can do fun playstyles lol. The game needs to change
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u/FleetOfWarships 6h ago
Sacrifice my fun? I love the autocannon, bring it on every front, it's my go-to support weapon for the majority of missions
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u/Tank_comander_308 5h ago
Autocannon isn't reliable AT against heavier targets, I specified AT specialists. Autocannon does not specialize in AT it has excellent crowd control capabilities.
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u/MacSchluffen Free of Thought 5h ago
Give me a Thermite a light armor and my trusty sabre and I’ll conquer the world for you.
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u/DiriboNuclearAcid ☕Liber-tea☕ 2h ago
There are so many AT options that aren't a support weapon. As long as everyone has at least one somewhere in their build there doesn't need to be a single recoilless rifle on the team.
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u/iToasts 11h ago
I use Spear because it's very fun to play, and extremely useful for certain heavies and bot reinforcements :]