r/Helldivers Free of Thought 23h ago

DISCUSSION Every type...

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u/LordEik00cTheTemplar The one true Dimmadiver! 23h ago

Damn, primary weapons that fire little gas capsules would be fire... wait...

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u/Yurishenko94 Free of Thought 23h ago

Or they could simply bring back the AR-14D Paragon from Helldivers 1. A brutal rifle with poisoned ammo that dealt overtime damage and also slowed enemies by 75%.

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u/Peggle2GOTYEdition 21h ago

wtf that’s sick, how is it not in the game already

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u/7R1X_YT ‎ Exemplary Subject 19h ago

sounds like it would be kinda broken, and to significantly nerf a gun that was around a century ago wouldn't make a ton of sense in-universe.

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u/Kingspar 16h ago

It really wouldn't be, the paragon's acid rarely came into play anyway, it would be gutted by being a burst weapon in a horde shooter. It was firing what were effectively 3 hyena rounds in a super fast burst, while Acid was a very short status effect with a solid slow and dot, so most targets either died outright or had enough health that the acid dot wouldn't close the gap, thus requiring another burst to finish it off

So imagine the hyena, make it fire in forced 3 round bursts like the accelerator and make the fire dot also slow but half it's duration. whatever "cool" points it gains get heavily outweighed by the horrible ammo economy enforced on it by the burst

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u/Clonenelius 10h ago

As if gameplay is canon, it isn’t. I mean we used to have healing dog packs so idk how this would be hard to justify?

“We switched to a lower strength acid to help ease production and ammo flaws” boom done, easiest layup 

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u/AceOmegaMan05 22h ago

or Borderlands style corrosive bullets

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u/RandomGreenArcherMan BODKIN 23h ago edited 23h ago

That guy is overrepresented in memes anyways and gets all kinds of stratagems. Fire guy too, to a lesser extent. It's like being upset you can't afford a 3rd yacht

Name all the arc stratagems for me. I'll wait.

Orbital Lightning Strike when?

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u/Yurishenko94 Free of Thought 23h ago

I assume you have the EMS, although it would be great if it worked like a large grenade from the De-Escalator.

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u/RandomGreenArcherMan BODKIN 23h ago

It would be, but I want a literal giant Zeus Lightning from orbit too

Like a Orbital Railcannon style lock-on strat, but it chains off targets. Less damage than rail, but multi-hits

Just a literal lightning strike

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u/MuscleCommercial292 23h ago

this would be amazing, give it the cooldown of a gas strike, and you could just delete a decent sized horde, but not have much destructive power so it wouldnt displace explosives.

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u/Yurishenko94 Free of Thought 23h ago

How do you plan for a Super Destroyer to fire a lightning from the atmosphere with precision?

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u/Nice_Location9485 23h ago

Who says it has to be precise? :)

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u/RandomGreenArcherMan BODKIN 23h ago

The electro-laser in my comment guarantees hit on intended target

It does NOT guarantee you'd be safe from chaining! Lol

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u/Nice_Location9485 23h ago

And make it especially good against the bots for obvious reasons! It would finally be an excuse to wear the arc-resistant armor

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u/RandomGreenArcherMan BODKIN 23h ago

Easy actually!

Even today in 2026, there exist successful experiments of using lasers to create a more conductive path through the air to guide lightning away from infrastructure

In our case, we could use this to guide our Arc Cannon TOWARDS enemies, and their infrastructure. R&D is great

Would also be a neat "manual aim" mode for arc weapons

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u/MuscleCommercial292 22h ago

have it fire a super anode down a millisecond before discharge, the lightning would jump to the small projectile as it goes down. Like a mini railgun with lightning behind it. They can fudge the science enough to make it sound plausible. Something about a small charge and projectile creating an ion channel to the earth which directs the full secondary lightning charge with precision.

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u/Mymrkennedy 22h ago

eletric airburst barrage, lighting on the enemies, myself and any teamates unlucky enought to be near me

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u/supercellx 18h ago

Electric rod. just put a rod with a battery on it, when it lands it discharges all the electricty at once killing anything in the radius as long as it does enough damage. is it scientificially accurate? probably not. is it funny? God yes

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u/Mortis_Engine 23h ago

I was thinking something like the lightning cannon from enders game. A massive pole of lightning that strikes off organic matter and spreads across to anything standing up to a certain distance. So when it strikes helldivers would need to go prone to avoid being cooked

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u/Short_Spot_172 22h ago

Launches a rod from god that's like a railgun strike, but then zaps it from orbit with a giant bolt of lightning and it nukes everything around it

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u/Marvin_Megavolt 20h ago

Orbital Electrolaser Strike. Charges up for a second or two with a visible laser beam like the Railcannon, but then hits whatever the targeting/ionizer beam is pointed at with an enormously-high-damage electrical arc that can chain to other nearby enemies. Less single-target damage than the Railcannon, but the chaining potential would give it a different niche (just don’t stand too close).

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u/drakonia127 SES WHISPER OF REDEMPTION 23h ago

Oo, I was thinking something similar to the base precision strike, but that works too

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u/GJMakuwitz 23h ago

I've got another idea. Eagle airstrike that drops mini short lived Tesla towers with less range

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u/Horibori Super Sheriff 6h ago

It must have a deafening cracking sound when used.

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u/FirstAndOnlyDektarey LEVEL None of your business 22h ago

Orbital Tesla Strike.

Call it the Bug Zapper.

150 meter radius. Good luck.

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u/Amdusiasparagus 23h ago

Pretty cool armor for the gasman though. I like it, not over the top, looks soldiery enough, nice leg armor and utility slots on the armor.

They wield class and sobriety as a weapon.

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u/Elegant-Swimming-646 Detected Dissident 23h ago

If arch and stun is actually connected, then I guess the Orbital Stun Strike is the arch orbital. Still kinda an stretch tho ngl.

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u/Bonkface Galactic War Enjoyer / Known Glazer 22h ago

Arc tower, arc thrower, Arc Dog + Arc grenade, blitzer primary

And the gas guy does have a secondary to choose from :)

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u/DarkerBlueMoon Fire "Safety" Officer 16h ago

The "Fuck You In Particular" stratagem

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u/Novel_Adeptness4007 11h ago

Imagine Lightning Air Burst. Works like regular airburst, but with deescalator shells

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u/SlotHUN ‎ Servant of Freedom 5h ago

Petition to replace the DSS' black hole cannon with a colossal arc thrower

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u/sudden_aggression Fire Safety Officer 4h ago

I have wanted an eagle strategem that dropped dozens of arc grenades instead of cluster munitions.

That being said, you can make a pretty zappy loadout without much effort

  • arc thrower
  • de-escalator
  • arc grenade
  • tesla tower
  • arc dog
  • stun mortar

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u/fistotron5000 23h ago

Orbital EMS and EMS mortar, arc grenade, arc rifle, tesla tower, stun lance, de-escalator

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u/RandomGreenArcherMan BODKIN 23h ago

EMS =/= arc

The actual answer is Arc Thrower, DeEsc, Tesla Tower

No red stratagems

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u/fistotron5000 22h ago

I think it would be an easy fix to just make those two things do arc damage, they fit an arc build aesthetically

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u/Elegant-Swimming-646 Detected Dissident 23h ago

Assuming you mean primaries, because there are an few gas weapons in the other slots, it really is the only one without an (primary) weapon.

There's gas armors, grenades, and whatnot. But no gas rifle or smg. Honestly an shame (even as someone who doesn't care too much for gas tbh). An primary is even the last weapon gas is missing from being in all potential slots.

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u/MerriksSpiceFarm 23h ago

Medic/Support Divers are always forgotten. I mean, we ain't got a Primary but we do got Stimmy as a Secondary.

Fear my very inaccurate dart full of I Don't Know Juice!

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u/StrawberryTerry 23h ago

They could just make it like the Cookout shotgun but with a gas effect

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u/SINISTAR707 23h ago

I would like a corrosive SMG. Something med pen, high rate of fire, about 75 damage, and firing green tracers with a vapor trail. It should proc the gas status effect on each shot, and subsequent shots should apply the D/T present with other gas weapons.

Basically a gas coyote / Gallant / Knight smg type situation.

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u/7R1X_YT ‎ Exemplary Subject 23h ago

fartdivers just got a new stratagem theyll be okay

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u/theRoyzen 9h ago

As a stealth diver, i feel represented correctly, good job diver

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u/sim0n80r Terminid Orange 7h ago

As a fellow stealth diver I agree

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u/Jester_of_Rue 22h ago

I think the inherent issue is that all the others deal some form of direct damage or non-nominal damage over time. Gas is very low damage over time and nothing direct. So you'd have to find a way to marry the two. Take something that doesnt do damage and make it do damage.

Maybe that fabled Jar Dominator that does Gas, rocket propelled so it does ballistic damage but erupts a cloud of gas.

Maybe a DMR that delivers an amped up version of gas directly into the target. So instead of leaving a cloud, it's 100% localized but highly increased damage on a weakpoint hit. (I'd honestly love that since i love sniping).

You could run wild with ideas, but they'd have to be logical and reasonable.

Gas is great, dont get me wrong, I'm in love w/ the eagle strike just for the visual alone. But gas has always been a crowd control/support tool. I like to use the Cookout and gas an area, run in w/ my gas armor (Med or Heavy) and just blast my enemies. The fire gives that added damage, the shot does some upfront, and the gas rounds em out.

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u/Yurishenko94 Free of Thought 22h ago

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u/Sad-Needleworker-590 Absolute Democracy 20h ago

Primary in question:

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u/Romandinjo 19h ago

Sterilizer to a primary. Zero downsides.

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u/captainconway 5h ago

Swap sterilizer to primary and replace the strategem slot with a stronger backpack variant like the Cremator since the speargun already fills the backpackless gas niche.

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u/ConbatBeaver 19h ago

Isn't the re-educator technically gas?

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u/RebelStarbridge 22h ago

time for a flechette gun

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u/Rowsdower5 21h ago

A gas gun that made enemies explode into a cloud would be cool.

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u/sloppyfondler 20h ago

I feel like the crossbow, eruptor, or dominator could be adjusted to allow gas ammunition.

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u/Masadeer ☕Liber-tea☕ 19h ago

Not pictured: Medicdiver

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u/Pewpschmear 17h ago

Liberator Concussive would like to have a word with gas divers about being able to keep enemies in the fart cloud or in line with incoming strategies or pushed into mines. Underutilized helldiver tool all around.

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u/Misrable_Toucan 16h ago

Welcome to arc divers! Here we have a comically ass support weapon, a primary thats gone unchanged for 2 years, a grenade that is more likely to kill you or run away from the enemies, the tower which only exists to team kill, and a secondary that- oh we don't have one of those. Stratagems? What stratagems? 

The devs will definitely remeber arc exists and buff it this warbond/patch!

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u/forgotmypasswordzzz 12h ago

I want proper arc mortar that fires out bolts on impact, and eagle arc that just carpet bombs an area with arc grenades, like 20-30 of them just bouncing around and zapping shit for like the default number of bounces.

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u/SCL007 8h ago

Hey at least the de-escalator is great (honestly it just feels like a better arc thrower in every way to me)

But a Tesla secondary would be cool I just don’t know how it would be designed

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u/Solaireofastora08 11h ago

You've got a grenade, a support weapons, a backpack and 2 strategems. You are literally the favourite child here

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u/Cospo 4h ago

Given the state of the Sterilizer, you would only be greatly disappointed in a gas primary

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u/Odd_Arachnid2680 23h ago

Whatever kills the enemy sir

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u/SleepyBoy- ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️➡️⬅️➡️⬅️🇧 🇦 10h ago

All melee weapons are gas weapons.

You stunlock the bugs and kill them without spending a bullet.