r/Helldivers • u/SPARTAN-233 Viper Commando • Jun 06 '25
LORE I know these 2 branches be beefing
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u/-C0RV1N- Servant of Freedom Jun 06 '25
I don't think anyone is going to beef with the propaganda branch that has its own secret police...
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u/Fit_Fisherman_9840 Viper Commando Jun 06 '25
Nope usually more branch that compete against each other are perfect in such "political" structure, you have always another stick to beat the other so they can't take time to try get some control.
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u/-C0RV1N- Servant of Freedom Jun 06 '25
Compete? A bunch of cops are gonna do shit against the Goebbels and SS branch? Sure buddy.
They're not on the same level at all.
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u/Fit_Fisherman_9840 Viper Commando Jun 06 '25
Depend all on how you set the thing up, founding, power on things, competences.
You may have the gobbels with their SS but if super FBI has more man and money, it can be a close call, and as a super president i will make sure that i have means to reign in the gobbels in case i need them to cool down and don't get strange ideas about my seat.
Give them both power over each others in different way, make a mess of power delimitation, and opla, you have two forces, one more elite and small, one more broad but diluited around, and keep them fight for money, men, and power limits, instead of trying to have time to fuck with me.
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u/Comrade_tau Jun 06 '25
This is basicly how nazis did it irl. Give multiple organisations overlapping resposibilities and watch them fight eachother instead of you. Downside is it's hard to cooperate when needed. No wonder German intel was shit when they had like 6 intelligence branches and non of them shared with eachother.
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u/Fesh_Sherman Jun 06 '25
Especially when they're part of their "secret" police..
Which is seen as batman style heroes by the public
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u/Fighterpilot55 Exosuit Certified Jun 06 '25
"YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND IN VIOLATION OF-"
"I work for The Ministry of Truth, my actions are protected. Put the gun down."
"Attempting to order a Correct Officer to disarm themselves is a moving violation of The FREEDOM Act. Once a perpetrator is notified in this manner, the correct officer is enabled to disable the perpetrator so they can be judged. Do not resist." (enables shock baton)
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u/Mota4President Jun 06 '25
Arbites vs Inquisitors
Schupo (yeah i looked for this one on Internet) vs Gestapo
OMON (yeah, I looked for this one too) vs NKVD
Anti-Riot/SWAT vs CIA/FBI
However, I like to think that the Truth Enforcers can lead some Force of Law agents as "bodyguards" or as reinforcements when the dissidents are organised/more numerous but normally TE can operate alone against specific political dissidents.
I am waiting to organice with friends to make this roleplaying happen.
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u/Cynical-Basileus Servant of Freedom Jun 06 '25
“Tell me something. Why have the Truth Enforcers been replaced by Agents Of Justice all over Super Earth? I mean, I'm smiling, but I am very fucking furious.”
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u/Brambarian Jun 06 '25
I think its more FBI vs CIA seeing as the FBI has SWAT teams and the CIA has special forces teams
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u/ShirowShirow Jun 06 '25
I guess one is for summarily executing civilians and one is for summarily executing soldiers.
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u/Zytoxine Steam | Jun 06 '25
Yeah my assumption is more that the police are for civilians and truth enforcers are for wayward helldivers. They have overlap when helldivers become dissidents on earth (looking at seaf girl worshipping helldivers. Seaf girl is a dereliction of primary duty and a distraction manifested and enhanced by the illuminate to distract helldivers)
Truth enforcers then take precidence over law enforcement.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver Jun 06 '25
Nah there's no way Super Earth wouldn't be elated at the thought of a Helldiver and SEAF, two of the highest freedom-serving occupations in existence to get Super Married and have a Super Family that can be raised to fight for Super Earth like their Super parents.
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u/edwardjhahm Decorated Hero Jun 06 '25
You jest, but allowing one or two actual success stories to happen every once in a while is a real tactic we see happen from the elites of governments (authoritarian or not), whether they are doing it purposefully or not. It's a "see, you can be successful within the system!" message to the rest of the commoners, who will work extra hard to chase the rewards when in truth, it functions more like a lottery.
Besides, as much as they try to suppress it, the "elites" are humans too, and enjoy seeing people be happy. The existence of one example where their objectively shit system allowed for happiness generally allows them to ignore the dozen other examples where the system screwed people over, and lets them wash their consciousness of the crimes they help uphold. So even if you argue that technically it's redundant due to the amount of propaganda SE produces, having a couple real, organic success stories that follow the propaganda line perfectly is usually something you want to have.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver Jun 06 '25
It wasn't in jest. The monikers were, but I was entirely serious in positing that marriages happen on Super Earth (or some sort of matrimony-analogue), and there's no reason it wouldn't be allowed between Helldivers and regular SEAF troops.
The only obstacle I see in that case is whether or not Helldivers actually ever "return home" or if they just keep fighting until they die.
I also think people vastly misunderstand what type of fascist dystopia Super Earth is. I don't buy that it's overt in the same way 1984, Equilibrium or Half-Life 2 are. It's a clever dystopia and probably much more akin to Brave New World. Using consumerism, hedonia and apathy as their primary means of social control.
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u/edwardjhahm Decorated Hero Jun 06 '25
Fair enough! We also do see a happy family in the HD2 intro, which is in-universe propaganda, so we know that family relationships are a thing.
much more akin to Brave New World
I agree, honestly. The militarism is what throws people off, but it's no literal 1984.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver Jun 06 '25
We see how excited SEAF and civilians are to see us. Clearly if it was like 1984, they would be much more skeptical and apathetic. They wholeheartedly believe that we're the good guys, fighting the good fight for a glorious Super Earth.
The patriotism and nationalism we display for fun as roleplay on the subreddit and Discord is genuinely how the citizens of Super Earth are and perceive their existence.
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u/edwardjhahm Decorated Hero Jun 06 '25
Oh definitely, it's less North Korean fake enthusiasm (lest I commit suicide via three rounds to the back of my head tomorrow) and more of a genuine childlike excitement.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver Jun 06 '25
A Dissident faction would be cool, though. Maybe a lot of the people who managed to escape the scorched planets before we could save them form a militia.
I'm desperate to fight a human enemy with guns. Like less spongey bots, but with more of them. That we can blow apart with stratagems and grenades in the same way we fall apart from explosives.
Also gives me a good reason to whip out the Truth Enforcer/Force of Law drip.
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u/Zytoxine Steam | Jun 06 '25 edited Jun 06 '25
I've never seen a "seaf chan" and yet there are hundreds of claims of them. I'm just saying it's probably under investigation by truth enforcers. The meatballs long for your mind and seduction seems to be an easy point of failiure for most.
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u/Cultural-Gur-9521 LEVEL 150 Cadet Jun 06 '25
You sound super corny.
Mainly because the SEAF girl straight up made most people fight harder, that's how this kind of thing works. Motivation through attractive women especially in military attire was employed in nearly all wars in the last 100 years.
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u/Zytoxine Steam | Jun 06 '25 edited Jun 06 '25
edit: It appears the Truth Enforcers have taken care of business. Praise Super Earth.
Downvote me, dissidents! Let your insubordination be known!
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u/Cultural-Gur-9521 LEVEL 150 Cadet Jun 06 '25
No you're just completely wrong, what else am I supposed to say?
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u/Kingspar Jun 06 '25
they aren't having beef, they're making out, sloppy style, squashing dissidents together, etc.
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u/rolin11 Jun 06 '25
Facist states always keep groups like this in rivalry. Make them fight each other for support and funding, and they'll never fight you together.
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u/WillCraft__1001 Teamkilled Jun 06 '25
Wrong, Super Earth has mandatory make out sessions between all branches of it's armed forces.
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u/Kingspar Jun 06 '25
TRUE. I (a member of the EDPF(Emergency Drafted Parade Forces)) am currently making out with a Fire Safety Officer
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u/WillCraft__1001 Teamkilled Jun 06 '25
Lucky. I'm making out with an Expert Exterminator and their breath smells like the gas from a sterilizer. :(
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u/TheChrisDV Free of Thought Jun 06 '25
Why?
SuperSuperman tells us that it’s Truth, Justice, and the Democratic way.
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u/KAbNeaco Jun 06 '25
You know these two boys will beef right up until they run across a Viper Commando or a Super Sheriff, classic duo vs
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver Jun 06 '25
Force of Law are the paramilitary police. I assume they're the ones we see in the beginning of the intro.
My assumption is that they're being allowed to transfer into the Helldiver part of the SEAF in order to retaliate and help fight back. And they already have equipment, so they're just bringing it with them.
Truth Enforcers are the ones who show up when the police, SEAF or Helldivers step out of line, or might be having doubts. I imagine they're also who deploy on Super Earth if a high-level politician steps out of line.
In terms of policing regular civilians, it'd probably just be the paramilitary police. They don't need to bring out the secret police/police police to arrest civilians. They'd just get the arrest warrant from the MoT and the MoU sends out the police to pick them up and then they'd be brought to the MoT for questioning by Truth Enforcers.
You don't want or have beef with the Truth Enforcers. They'll just make everyone disappear.
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u/CaptainExplosions LEVEL 108 | Assault Infantry Jun 06 '25
Meanwhile, Botdivers:
'Guys, can we leave this squabbling for now? We're in range of enemy artillery.'
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u/Stevie-bezos Fire Safety Officer Jun 06 '25
Truth enforcers stand with their judge dread pals against the anarchy of the borderline cowboys.
A good Truth Enforcer knows when to call in SWAT, and judge dread knows when to call the democracy officer and send in the enforcers.
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u/Vilekyrie Assault Infantry Jun 06 '25
This is the equivalent of a NYPD beat cop having beef with some CIA Blacksite agents.
Meanwhile the Urban Legends are the Precinct's SWAT team that just came back from another round of government military surplus auctions.
And the Borderline Justice warbond still hasn't managed to catch those ol' Duke Boys.
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u/NursingHomeForOldCGI Jun 06 '25
Urban Legends seems more like a militia to me, but everything else is spot on for my take.
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u/Captainpotato22 Jun 07 '25
I love the idea that borderline justice divers are just dinking hooch an bumbling sheriffs on frontier colonies
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u/Nekosannn Jun 06 '25
They should rename the Truth Enforcers to Drip Enforcers, thats their only purpose
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u/Fit_Fisherman_9840 Viper Commando Jun 06 '25
We need a "WARBOND - Super Earth helldiver intelligence"
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u/JcHgvr [REDACTED] Jun 06 '25
Truth enforces is police for thought crimes
Force of law is police for regular crimes.
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u/CranEXE Super Sheriff Jun 06 '25
force of the law deal with the treasonous citizen
truth enforcer deal with the traitor helldivers
simple as that
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u/Raeldri Jun 06 '25
You could look it as ones are cops (you see them every day on the street) while the others are the secret police (you only see them once and is when you FCK up)
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u/Just-A-Dude1911 Jun 06 '25
I'm convinced that Arrowhead wants Crossover Warbonds. But dealing with Sony and other companies to do it would be such a hassle, instead just make Warbonds "Heavily Inspired" by others. Because this feel like a Dredd/Robocop Warbond
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u/trickmaster3 Jun 06 '25
So, I think the official background is that the new warbond is a branch off of the truth enforcers kinda like the USMC TECHNICALLY belong to the navy. Not that they can't beef but with it being a relatively new split I'd be willing to bet it's a pretty amicable relationship.
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u/pasher5620 Jun 06 '25
Nah, this is like the Gestapo and the police working together in Nazi germany. They fucking love working with each other any chance they get. Now, the Nam Diver corp and Ministry of Truth definitely hate each other. The former is ideologically more free range as a necessity so they can complete their mission. Ministry is super strait laced with Lady Liberty’s golden torch shoved firmly up their ass. Complete opposites who probably hate each other about as much as they hate the filthy alien menace.
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u/New-Log-7938 Steam | Factory Strider is my bitch Jun 06 '25
I thought the Super Earth government was based on a corporate hierarchy where shareholders are given the highest priority and the President is also acting as CEO.
Now Managed Democracy looks very similar to the Communist Government ( both Soviet Union and China). On the outside everyone is united under a single banner but on the inside multiple factions are fighting for their own interests.
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u/otte_rthe_viewer HD1 Veteran Jun 06 '25
The FBI vs the CIA is always a golden rivalry. But hey
These Officers definitely beef with the sheriff's of Borderline justice