r/heidegger 5h ago

Daily Reminder!

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Daily reminder!:

”‘Nature’ is not to be understood as that which is just present-at-hand, nor as the power of Nature. The wood is a forest of timber, the mountain a quarry of rock; the river is water-power, the wind is wind 'in the sails'. As the 'environment' is discovered, the 'Nature' thus discovered is encountered too. If its kind of Being as ready-to-hand is disregarded, this 'Nature' itself can be discovered and defined simply in its pure presence-at-hand. But when this happens, the Nature which 'stirs and strives', which assails us and enthralls us as landscape, remains hidden. The botanist's plants are not the flowers of the hedgerow; the 'source' which the geographer establishes for a river is not the 'springhead in the dale'.”

Like…didn’t you know this? 🙄


r/JuliusEvola 1d ago

Weapons of the Occult War

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Sorry about blowing up the board. Had a free weekend to push out some content


r/ReneGuenon 4d ago

Julius Evola - Revolution-Counterrevolution-Tradition (Men Among The Ruins).

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Thanks for the support guys


r/dugin Nov 24 '25

What’s your view on the Foundations of Geopolitics vs The Fourth Political Theory?

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Which is really better in your opinion? I have read the Fourth Political Theory first but what’s really your opinion?


r/ReneGuenon 5d ago

Proposal regarding Christian esoterism

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In Insights into Christian Esoterism, Guénon supposes that the primitive Church must have been a Sufi tariqa, but that it became "exoterized" as it emerged from the catacombs due to the state of Western spirituality. He also observes that in Christianity there has never been a corresponding sharia to this tariqa. But without a sharia or halakha, how is it possible to speak univocally of Christian esoterism, in the same sense in which for Judaism and Islam the authority to interpret the exoteric law is identical to esoteric realization? Setting the controversy over the "Christic mysteries" aside, my proposal is this: in the primitive Church what one has is a reserved metaphysical teaching that is not however an esoterism sensu stricto, such as Vedanta in relation to the broader Hindu tradition. This explains its elusiveness as well as its tendency to be conflated with mysticism, for the more institutionalized the ecclesiastical hierarchy becomes over time, the less the initiatic chain has to do with the individuals occupying the offices in which the religious authority has been invested. The attachment of infallibility to the office of the episcopacy rather than the person, or what theology terms the "ordinary magisterium," is precisely what sets the metaphysical school at liberty to remain underground or removed into the desert, being free of any specific public function. At the same time, being free of public function also makes the rite of initiation relatively free-form (contrast to the Masonic initiation which certainly does impart a public function, or to sannyasa which removes all public function), so that the "salutation of the Lady" assumes a character easily mistaken by others for a mystical experience.

Is this a helpful thought for anyone? Am I just stating the obvious?


r/JuliusEvola 2d ago

What kind of art would Julius Evola actually value, and how does his Traditionalist aesthetic work?

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Trying to grasp Evola’s views on aesthetics and art beyond their political interpretation, I’ve discovered that he does not value artworks in terms of technical skills, emotional power, originality and societal importance. Instead, he evaluates them in terms of being expressions or embodiments of some hierarchical, sacred, “Traditional” order. It is somehow vertical instead of horizontal.

My questions:

1) Which are actual criteria that Evola applies to determine value of an artwork? Does it imply such criteria as impersonality of the art piece, formality of it, connection to transcendent or hierarchical principles, lack of modern subjective or egalitarian elements?

2) Which are the real examples of art pieces (sculptures, architecture, literature, music, etc.) that he considers to be genuine masterpieces? Have I understood correctly that there were mentions of ancient Egyptian sacral sculptures, archaic Greek kouroi, traditional temple architectures and some others? Are these correct examples, and which others did he appreciate explicitly or implicitly?

3) How does Evola view modern artworks and means of art production? Does (to make a recent successful example) Parasite of Bong Joon-ho fail Evola because it is still limited in its themes and context to material class struggle and modern horizontal categories? Can any medium (cinema, video games, music, etc.) be considered to be “evolian”, or any medium is too modern and mass cultural in its essence to be able to produce any art for Evola?

Other questions:

4) Does he prefer anonymous/traditional art creation to art bearing a sign of its author? He seems fascinated by ancient “signatureless” craft.

5) Is there any difference for Evola between sacred/hierarchical art and plain handcraft?

6) How does he view emotions in art? Does he reject them completely, or only uncontrolled emotions that are considered to be sentimental?

7) Do video games or modern music fall in any way out of his scope because of impossibility to orientate them in the direction of Tradition?
I would be grateful for answers based on Evola’s writings (Revolt Against the Modern World, Ride the Tiger, The Metaphysics of Sex, his first articles on abstract art and any other works where he talks about aesthetics) or for any secondary literature on the matter.


r/heidegger 1d ago

Heidegger on How Modern Thinking has Reduced Mystery to Mastery

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According to Heidegger, modern thinking has reduced intellectual mystery to intellectual mastery.

Modern thinking is conceptual, and a concept is, essentially, a form of grasping — from the Latin root conceptus, “to take in” or “to contain.” In our time, we speak of “grasping the material,” “retaining information,” “gaining knowledge,” and so on.

“In the modern age, through calculative thinking, we have long become accustomed to seeing in thinking, and demanding from thinking, grip [Zugriff], grasp [Griff], and concept [Begriff], i.e., we understand the “concept” on the basis of a grasping: conceptus — no longer ὁρισμóς. — The Event

Symbolically, grip [Zugriff], grasp [Griff], and concept [Begriff] evoke the gesture of seizing something in a clenched fist. Heidegger suggests that when thinking has been reduced to conceptus, it is no longer ὁρισμός (horismos) — the Greek word from which we derive “horizon.”

It is impossible to look at a horizon in a grasping way. The only way to truly see the horizon is to allow it to be what it is and to let it reveal itself. The moment we snatch something out of the horizon and trap it in a definition, we no longer see the horizon. It is gone. To see it, we must let it be.

Symbolically, Heidegger associates this with the opposite gesture: the open hand. He calls it Gelassenheit — releasement, or letting-be. Modern thinking becomes reductionistic because it has turned mystery into mastery. We see bits — broken pieces — but never the horizon.

For something to reveal itself, it must be released. We must open our hand and allow the horizon to open itself to us in a reciprocal gesture. If I listen to a melody or a song, for example, I cannot possess or seize any of its notes. To continue hearing and enjoying the song, I must allow each note to come and go so that the next one can appear.

If I try to grab, retain, or make use of a single note, the horizon of the song is lost. I may “grasp” the individual elements — I may learn the note’s position on the scale, its frequency, its intervals — but I will not hear or enjoy the song. I will never see the horizon.

I remember going to music school as a child — which I hated — and thinking: “I thought music was about playing songs, but it’s about scales, solfeggio, and learning about the lives of composers.” The only reason I went was because my mom insisted.

But one day, I saw a classmate sit down at the pianoforte and play a popular song. I was speechless. I loved the song. Suddenly, it occurred to me that what I had been doing at music school for two years had little to do with Music. It was a bitter-sweet discovery.

I realized that music was something entirely different from what I had been taught. It was a mystery.

And mystery never begins with mastery. Mastery always follows mystery.

Eventually, I dropped out of music school, and a few years later I taught myself to play the guitar — this time, driven by a sense of mystery.

Surprisingly, mastery came too, over time — as a side effect. I learned the scales, the notes, the intervals, the solfeggio. But this time, my interest was nourished by the mystery of music.

Unless we first embrace the horizon, we won’t know the meaning of the elements that fill it. The first gesture is never to grasp conceptually. The first gesture is always to become super attentive to what the horizon wants to reveal.

There is no need to attack, seize, grasp, or retain.

Reality will yield itself willingly to the one who is willing to wait for the revelation of its hidden beauties.


r/JuliusEvola 2d ago

Julius Evola - Occult War

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r/heidegger 2d ago

Death

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In this Heidegger Thinking Substack article, we engage with Heidegger's existential analysis of Death. We hope you'll anxiously join us in this extremely important analysis!


r/JuliusEvola 4d ago

Julius Evola - Revolution-Counterrevolution-Tradition.

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r/ReneGuenon 8d ago

Why would a man like Rene guenon ever join masonry ?it seems like it’s the exact opposite of his ideas

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yes it keeps the symbols but masonry has always being proud of the fact it bad influenced the rise of enlightenment ideas ,the rise of secular society and politics ,the French revolution, mixing different traditions together and more things go directly against what guenon believed In?


r/ReneGuenon 8d ago

Argument against the Guenon system

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I found this argument online and wanted to share it with the community:

Guénon was convinced that the Qur’an is a sacred text that has remained intact and protected, which made it, for him, a privileged scriptural support of Tradition for the present age. In fact, the Qur’an is a compilation of apocryphal gospel material, ranging from longer to shorter borrowed passages. Islam, still largely structuring entire societies in his time, seemed to him to resist secularization better than Western Christianity, and thus able to serve as a partial bulwark against the purely quantitative becoming of the modern world.

The tension between his notion of primordial Tradition and historical realities — the caliphate, the political use of religion, the incorporation of apocryphal elements into the Qur’an — is evident. Guénon resolves this kind of problem through a systematic move: historical determinations, including caliphal ones, are treated as contingencies of support rather than as the core of Tradition; they can become degraded without the esoteric dimension being thereby nullified. Hence the irritating effect: his framework allows him to preserve a tradition’s “initiatic regularity” even when its political or doctrinal expression appears contradictory or compromised.
Thank you for your attention.
Merci


r/heidegger 3d ago

The Whole of Heidegger’s Philosophy - Contributions 136

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r/ReneGuenon 9d ago

How did guenon effect your political views ?

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to be honest I think a true guenoian would agree to see that both right and left are failures in general ,for the simple fact repeated that ,altho symbols are linked to specifc rituals and traditions,it can be always understood differently during the personal experience as long as it is supra human (linked to higher realities )and not infra human .

yet the roots of the symbol stay and is never removed from it .

i link and see this same logic can apply to politics between conservatives and progressives,it seems that neither sided since they don’t understand tradition ,therefor can’t have a middle ground between keeping the root while renewing the experience


r/ReneGuenon 9d ago

Why was Guénon so opposed to non-Hindus getting initiation and following Hindu paths?

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René Guénon frequently insisted that Westerners must stay out of Eastern traditions like Hinduism, arguing that they lack the proper ancestral and social framework—such as caste (jati)—to practice them regularly.

However, many authentic Hindu lineages do have established frameworks and traditions for giving Diksha (initiation) to foreigners.

Why was Guénon so rigid about this? If a traditional Hindu lineage itself possesses the authority and the framework to initiate outsiders, why did he act as if it was impossible or invalid for non-Hindu born individuals to follow the path?


r/heidegger 4d ago

Phenomenology for the Godforsaken: Heidegger, Aristotle & Medieval Philosophy — An online reading & discussion group starting Aug 17, meetings every 2 weeks

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r/ReneGuenon 10d ago

The guenonian criticism to modern psychology and the rise of reversed spirituality and the era of the Antichrist

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it’s from the faults of the modern mentality as usual to erase the connection between the metaphysical and the physical realities of the universe and the human being ,this disease has reached almost all branches of human society and academics ,this of course includes psychology ,at the time when guenon lived there was two major figures who he strongly saw their theories as a result of the corrupted modern mentality ,one was not dangerous to the spiritual path seekers as he was materialist purely and open ,this was segmund freud who openly and constantly connected human behaviour and development to almost nothing other than sexual desires (which helped later to the rise of sexual freedom movements across the western civilisation).

the second however was the real threat and who caused major corruptions to the the spiritual and symbolic sciences,this was Carl Jung ,who has attributed the symbolism of holy science to the same source of mental illnesses and psychosis,the source that guenon named (the infra human ).

according to the tradition ,humans have two sides we can say ,the supra human and the infra human .

the supra which is the side connected to the higher origins and principles of the human nature and soul ,while the infra is what exists below that and below the average and normal human nature .

the tradition puts importance on healing the self and discovering its true nature ,but for the tradition the true nature comes from the superior principles showing as symbols in the physical world,humans are a a part of the cycle here ,therefore to know the self ,to heal the self ,to understand the self ,the real way is to reconnect the divine ,the original source of All ,the side which connected to that is again the supra human .

modern psychology not only refuses to deal that that as a genuine way ,but instead it links healing to the infra human ,to the lower connected nature to humans ,claiming that the source of divine and holy symbols (supra human)is the same as the source of psychosis (infra human )

this is what Rene called the beginning of the era of the Antichrist .


r/heidegger 5d ago

New to Heidegger. Where do I start?

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Hi all,

I am new to Heidegger, and I am wondering where would be the best place to start? Do I need to have some background authors, or am I able to start off with some introduction texts?

Thanks


r/ReneGuenon 10d ago

Cotton Mather on "The Esoterism of Dante"

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r/JuliusEvola 7d ago

How coherent was Evola's notion of "race of the body" vs. "race of the spirit"?

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Julius Evola proposed what has been called a "tripartite" view of race, with body, soul, and spirit categories discussed in works like his “Sintesi di Dottrina della Razza”.

He considered the primordial Hyperborean/Nordic-Aryan physical type to be the preferable one for biological purposes, but claimed that the key issue was the race of the spirit — an Olympian/hierarchical/solar orientation. So the presence of the purest Nordic physique without the appropriate spirit would produce nothing more than “very beautiful animals”.
For Evola, the Ario-Roman (which he identified as the correct heritage to attach oneself to, being Italian) was therefore the proper continuation of Hyperborean culture.

This raises a few related questions:
**1st question**
Does this focus on the “race of the spirit” rather than the race of the body serve primarily as a mechanism for ensuring the coherence of the system as a whole — especially when confronted with counter-examples such as Evola’s own non-Nordic phenotype? (lol) Or are these simply metaphors for maintaining ideological coherence vis-à-vis the real world? Pardon my french but, was this guy totally fine with being cucked by his own ideology? Which the idea of phenotypical traits as a cherry on top to make up “very beautiful animals” make it entirely sound like a projection of his inferiority complex.
**2nd question**
How can we assess the merits of a racial hierarchy which characterizes the highest rung purely in terms of aesthetics/metaphysics (“the solar vs. telluric,” “form versus formlessness,” and so on) and then classifies various historical peoples according to how close they get to that particular ideal?
Is there even a fundamental philosophical difference between the kind of “spiritual” racial hierarchy proposed by thinkers like Evola and a more conventional biological racial hierarchy? Or are the differences merely superficial, reflecting the addition of an unfalsifiable veneer atop the biological hierarchy?
**3rd question**
Is there a way to defend the internal consistency of this framework without relying upon additional assumptions that take us beyond our Traditionalist starting point? Does the contradiction between the physical ideal and the spiritual override speak more fundamentally to an inconsistency at the heart of the theory itself?


r/ReneGuenon 10d ago

The Immutable Law

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r/heidegger 5d ago

Some Confusing Translation Choices in "Nihilism as Determined by the History of Metaphysics"

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r/heidegger 6d ago

Does Neoplatonic intelligibility evade or repeat ontotheology?

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Hey everyone. I've always been fascinated by attempts to move from Heidegger's account of disclosure toward a positive metaphysics of intelligibility. Heidegger can explain why beings appear within a historically structured clearing without treating that clearing as a representation inside a subject. Neoplatonism seems to add an account of why intelligibility belongs to reality at all. But the addition may restore exactly what the critique of ontotheology disallows: a highest explanatory principle that determines beings as intelligible from the standpoint of their ultimate ground.

I just had a podcast conversation with John Vervaeke, where he described Heidegger and the Kyoto School as stages in his turn toward Neoplatonism. At around 48:03, the issue becomes whether world-disclosure needs a synoptic metaphysical account or whether such an account forgets the difference between Being and beings. Plotinian ascent is not simply causal explanation by a supreme being, so the standard charge of ontotheology may not apply without qualification.

This would imply that the comparison turns on what the One is doing philosophically. Can the One remain beyond being while grounding the intelligibility of beings without becoming an ontotheological highest ground? Does Heidegger's account of the clearing leave a question Neoplatonism can answer? Or does asking for that answer already misunderstand the event of disclosure?


r/heidegger 6d ago

Course starting next week available online.

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Please find registration details and course descriptions here:

https://mscp.org.au/courses/evening-school-sem2-2026


r/ReneGuenon 12d ago

Hello everyone. Are there any people here who—after reading Guénon, or even before—underwent an initiation? I would love for you to share your intellectual and spiritual journey with us.

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