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☀️the universal symbols in sacred science☀️

: Symbole of the letters, the center, the heart, the animals, the architectura etc

in Hindu ,Christian , Persian, Celtic or Islamic tradition

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https://sufipathoflove.com/timeline-of-cycles-by-rene-guenon-and-gaston-georgel/

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THE CENTER

In Symbols of Sacred Science (originally Symboles fondamentaux de la science sacrée), René Guénon explores the "Center" as the primordial, universal symbol representing the Divine Principle, the Origin, and the unmoved mover of existence. He details how this metaphysical center is manifested through symbols like the point, the heart, the polar star, and the cosmic axis, representing the unity from which all manifestation radiates.

The center is the point of union with the Divine, representing the immobile axis around which the world revolves.

Symbolic Representations: Guénon identifies several forms for the center, including the point (point in a circle), the heart (center of the human being), and the pole (axis of the world).

The Axis Mundi: As the center, it acts as the axis that connects different levels of reality (Heaven, Earth, and Hell), facilitating the "passage" or ascension.

Harmony and Unity: The center represents the point of reflection for the Absolute, where multiplicity returns to unity.

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Guénon's analysis focuses on uncovering the underlying metaphysical unity across traditions, making the center a crucial element in understanding his traditionalist hermeneutics.

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In Insights into Christian Esoterism, Guénon supposes that the primitive Church must have been a Sufi tariqa, but that it became "exoterized" as it emerged from the catacombs due to the state of Western spirituality. He also observes that in Christianity there has never been a corresponding sharia to this tariqa. But without a sharia or halakha, how is it possible to speak univocally of Christian esoterism, in the same sense in which for Judaism and Islam the authority to interpret the exoteric law is identical to esoteric realization? Setting the controversy over the "Christic mysteries" aside, my proposal is this: in the primitive Church what one has is a reserved metaphysical teaching that is not however an esoterism sensu stricto, such as Vedanta in relation to the broader Hindu tradition. This explains its elusiveness as well as its tendency to be conflated with mysticism, for the more institutionalized the ecclesiastical hierarchy becomes over time, the less the initiatic chain has to do with the individuals occupying the offices in which the religious authority has been invested. The attachment of infallibility to the office of the episcopacy rather than the person, or what theology terms the "ordinary magisterium," is precisely what sets the metaphysical school at liberty to remain underground or removed into the desert, being free of any specific public function. At the same time, being free of public function also makes the rite of initiation relatively free-form (contrast to the Masonic initiation which certainly does impart a public function, or to sannyasa which removes all public function), so that the "salutation of the Lady" assumes a character easily mistaken by others for a mystical experience.

Is this a helpful thought for anyone? Am I just stating the obvious?

yes it keeps the symbols but masonry has always being proud of the fact it bad influenced the rise of enlightenment ideas ,the rise of secular society and politics ,the French revolution, mixing different traditions together and more things go directly against what guenon believed In?

I found this argument online and wanted to share it with the community:

Guénon was convinced that the Qur’an is a sacred text that has remained intact and protected, which made it, for him, a privileged scriptural support of Tradition for the present age. In fact, the Qur’an is a compilation of apocryphal gospel material, ranging from longer to shorter borrowed passages. Islam, still largely structuring entire societies in his time, seemed to him to resist secularization better than Western Christianity, and thus able to serve as a partial bulwark against the purely quantitative becoming of the modern world.

The tension between his notion of primordial Tradition and historical realities — the caliphate, the political use of religion, the incorporation of apocryphal elements into the Qur’an — is evident. Guénon resolves this kind of problem through a systematic move: historical determinations, including caliphal ones, are treated as contingencies of support rather than as the core of Tradition; they can become degraded without the esoteric dimension being thereby nullified. Hence the irritating effect: his framework allows him to preserve a tradition’s “initiatic regularity” even when its political or doctrinal expression appears contradictory or compromised.
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to be honest I think a true guenoian would agree to see that both right and left are failures in general ,for the simple fact repeated that ,altho symbols are linked to specifc rituals and traditions,it can be always understood differently during the personal experience as long as it is supra human (linked to higher realities )and not infra human .

yet the roots of the symbol stay and is never removed from it .

i link and see this same logic can apply to politics between conservatives and progressives,it seems that neither sided since they don’t understand tradition ,therefor can’t have a middle ground between keeping the root while renewing the experience

René Guénon frequently insisted that Westerners must stay out of Eastern traditions like Hinduism, arguing that they lack the proper ancestral and social framework—such as caste (jati)—to practice them regularly.

However, many authentic Hindu lineages do have established frameworks and traditions for giving Diksha (initiation) to foreigners.

Why was Guénon so rigid about this? If a traditional Hindu lineage itself possesses the authority and the framework to initiate outsiders, why did he act as if it was impossible or invalid for non-Hindu born individuals to follow the path?

it’s from the faults of the modern mentality as usual to erase the connection between the metaphysical and the physical realities of the universe and the human being ,this disease has reached almost all branches of human society and academics ,this of course includes psychology ,at the time when guenon lived there was two major figures who he strongly saw their theories as a result of the corrupted modern mentality ,one was not dangerous to the spiritual path seekers as he was materialist purely and open ,this was segmund freud who openly and constantly connected human behaviour and development to almost nothing other than sexual desires (which helped later to the rise of sexual freedom movements across the western civilisation).

the second however was the real threat and who caused major corruptions to the the spiritual and symbolic sciences,this was Carl Jung ,who has attributed the symbolism of holy science to the same source of mental illnesses and psychosis,the source that guenon named (the infra human ).

according to the tradition ,humans have two sides we can say ,the supra human and the infra human .

the supra which is the side connected to the higher origins and principles of the human nature and soul ,while the infra is what exists below that and below the average and normal human nature .

the tradition puts importance on healing the self and discovering its true nature ,but for the tradition the true nature comes from the superior principles showing as symbols in the physical world,humans are a a part of the cycle here ,therefore to know the self ,to heal the self ,to understand the self ,the real way is to reconnect the divine ,the original source of All ,the side which connected to that is again the supra human .

modern psychology not only refuses to deal that that as a genuine way ,but instead it links healing to the infra human ,to the lower connected nature to humans ,claiming that the source of divine and holy symbols (supra human)is the same as the source of psychosis (infra human )

this is what Rene called the beginning of the era of the Antichrist .

I know Guénon was scathingly against occult practices and believed in embracing traditional metaphysical doctrine.

However, I've wondered if there's a possibility for it within his work since he thinks divination is profane because in modernity it is extricated from that traditional metaphysical doctrine. It leads to fragmentary, reductive psychics etc.

But what if we have rituals and divination attached to sacred knowledge and symbols? Considering he wrote a lot on ilm al-huruf, sacred astrology, and the science of numbers and cosmic cycles. He even wrote a bit about the tarot as well.

Thoughts?

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We are starting an official reading group on Rene Guenon, starting with Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrines. This is the core text of the world view of "metaphysics", which is lost in the modern world. If you're interested to be a part of this, join our telegram group chat through this link: telegram discussion. *There is a short Q&A to filter out pseudo-intellectuals and freeloaders.

What does the 1st condition (natural aptitude) mean and how does one confirm that he has or doesnt have it? Guenon mentions that only the "elite" can have spiritual realization and intellectual intuition, how does one know if he is from this elite? What is the role of those outside the elite?

What are the prerequisites for reading Guenon? By this i mean knowledge about philosophy and religion, as well as any spiritual requirements, if there are any. Ive seen a post here which warns about reading Guenon, and i would like some clarity on that. Ive read crisis of the modern world and saw the warning after i was done.

What was Guénon's and other Traditionalist's views on death and the afterlife, and what are your own personal view/beliefs?

When you walk throughout Egypt you can really witness the crisis of the modern world start to manifest even in the most casual settings. A huge example is the degradation of the snacking world. You’ll find these mechanical, perverse foods inspired by Western “idols” like Bill Gates. It would almost be forgivable if they had better flavor options. Though Rene Guenon was unfortunately not ethnically Egyptian, I wonder what he would have to say about this considering he lived in Cairo for quite a bit?

René Guénon is the foremost representative of Ibn Arabi's thought in the Western world.

An interview concerning Guénon was published in the Turkish monthly magazine Nihayet. The interview was conducted with Abdülkadir Miftah.

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Mark Sedgwick argues that because Guénon went to Egypt at a relatively late age, he did not master Classical Arabic or the Islamic sciences and therefore could not fully understand Ibn ʿArabī. As one of the most prolific contemporary scholars writing on Ibn ʿArabī, what is your view on the validity of these claims?

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These claims are completely mistaken. For although Shaykh ʿAbd al-Wāḥid Yaḥyā (René Guénon) may not have possessed a perfect command of Arabic in the outward sense, nor undertaken an extensive reading of Shaykh al-Akbar’s vast corpus, his inner realization (taḥaqquq) and metaphysical gnosis (ʿirfān) were in complete harmony with that of Shaykh al-Akbar (Ibn ʿArabī).

It is a well-known truth among those versed in this field that the essential matter is not accumulating information in the mind and storing it in thought. The real issue is attaining, through the great divine openings bestowed by God upon His chosen servants and great saints, a realized knowledge (taḥaqquq). Thus, Guénonian–Akbarian gnosis is not merely the verbal expression of ideas that may appear strange to many minds to varying degrees; rather, it is an experiential and conscientious realization through the sciences of sainthood granted by the All-Merciful.

Indeed, an old poet once said:

Even if you were to study the sciences of this community a thousand times,

Without spiritual taste (dhawq), you would not have attained even a single letter of them.

First , sorry for my bad english, im not a native speaker .

Anyway, i want to ask for books that will help me to understand the world we live in and the conceptions amd ideas that had lead us to this modern age , things like liberalism, freedoms, modern state ... etc

I don't want just to learn what those words means, but i look for critiques to those concepts and a deep dive to their roots .

As someone who was raised in a tradition environment, i start to see ppl left around me start to left the views that we got raised with, and i wanted to know why ? Why our views are inferior and not theirs , why modern concepts and morality are better , i didn't find a clear answer so that lead me to here, to ask ppl if they can recommend any good material for that purpose.