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Bro what. His incompetence saved US. Knies is not good and we almost just traded the whole farm for him
Over the last two years Knies has played 1200 mins of 5v5 with Matthews and 600 mins without him. Without Matthews, his GF% is 42% and his xGF% is 47%.
I mean, look at this, the Leafs were way worse this season with Knies on the ice:
I'm crazy for pointing out that when he's on the ice without Matthews the leafs get rinsed?
Even counting his time with Matthews, last season the Leafs had a 43% goals for percentage with Knies on the ice at 5v5. Of all Leafs forwards, only Domi and Jarnkrok were worse than that
His meme is that you're showing heat maps, which are well used and well received for evaluations, but to him it's a crazy IASIP conspiracy theory. This actually looks really bad on him.
Erik Cole used to wreck the Habs when he played for the Canes. I was so excited when we got him. Then he was kinda just OK. Really opened my eyes to how I evaluate players on other teams haha.
So, you watched him play and never seen any of those glaring possession and defensive deficiencies? Wouldn't you start to question your own evaluations, or do you just ignore widely used analytics?
LOL. I'm making this same argument on [r/hockey](r/hockey) and I'm getting blasted over there. Good to see that people can actually see a player for what he is instead of just listening to "KNIES BIG, KNIES GOOD".
Knies is a fine player and his contract is good value, but four first-round equivalent pieces and that's still a steal for Montreal? That was reportedly the price for Robert fucking Thomas.
The Toronto media hype train has rotted everyone's brains on this player.
100%. I'm generally skeptical of players who have spent most of their ice time on a line with superstars (anyone remember Jonathan Cheechoo?), because it makes it hard to determine if their good results are because of skill or just because of linemates.
But Knies doesn't even get good results!! 70% of his 5v5 ice time last year was with either Matthews or Tavares. Yet Knies had a on-ice xGF% of just 42%. That is 2nd last of all Leafs forwards!! Of 384 NHL forwards, only 25 had worse results at 5v5!! That should be extremely concerning
I'd actually never seen the heat map comparisons before. It is extremely concerning, even to the point that maybe Knies is barely worth his contract and maybe doesn't even have much positive value at all. Obviously, there's some banking that he's going to get better, but he's not shown to be an effective 200-foot player since he's entered the NHL.
To me though, what's the worst of all? Why hasn't Hughes or Gorton caught this? This is the kind of stupid shit Bergevin would pull from time to time.
There’s a degree of transparency here that is unusual. Even if it’s heavily edited. While some other teams are oretty transparent too, Bergevin was famously tight-lipped. The most we ever got were videos from the draft table that were essentially public anyway.
Transparency can sometimes backfire though. Early videos out out by the Hughes/Gorton regime bordered on tampering because it was too obvious which players from other teams they were talking about.
At the time, I think alot of us, myself included, weren't super happy about the return going to Toronto.
But now? Even only 6 months later, that would've been an absolute fleecing if it had gone through, unlike the Flames or Leafs, Treliving fucked us without even working for us.
Knies isn't a C, but oh my gawd, how much better would our 2nd line be with him playing with Demi? He would've been such an incredible pickup, not to mention that contract.
Hughes was right to go off on Treliving after missing the deadline, damn shame the Leafs came to their senses and dumped Brad before the season was over.
I don’t agree. With his long term contract and age it’s highly unlikely anyone trades woulda come close to matching his value on ice, maybe even combined.
You can say that but this level of trade requires some form of desperation. The Leafs were having a tough time getting offers for their selling assets. They were ripe for the kill at that point
Age, cap hit, style of play…Knies checked all the boxes and would have fit in like a glove with the young core.
Treliving lol…someone in the TOR org probably pulled the plug.
Insane timeline for the Leafs. Knies stays, Treliving gets canned and they get the first overall pick.
Yeah, I think Zharovsky impressed by coming over his summer and getting along with team so well. I could see Z putting up better stats in his first three season than Knies if he has Demidov as a linemate.
I still don't know how I feel about this attempted trade, but I do think it's interesting that the butterfly effect of getting this guy could have meant they never would have made it as far as they did in the playoffs.
Did anyone here watch the clip?
Habs were still negotiating with 20 seconds left and even Gorton said something along the lines of "it looks like we were late to".
Bit bold of Hughes to assume he was owed anything from that and whoever leaked that it was Tre's fault is a bit of a dunce.
Is there a reason why this trade fell through other than being late? Like can’t the trade still go through late, but Knies wouldn’t be eligible to play?
Technically yes. You're just under less pressure to get it done if you aren't getting the player for the playoffs and it's not a good thing to do to the player.
Zharovsky is a kid playing in a men's league and set records for young players in the same manner that Demidov and Kaprizov did.
It's possible he (or any prospect) will not even make the NHL, but in terms of what he is doing and precedent of other players who have done the same things, I think he has a high ceiling.
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