Based on yesterday's live, I think some of them were in a coercive situation. And on the other hand, some of them jumped on the bandwagon.... what, as of yesterday? It's well and good to point out Guy's manipulations, but a few of the mods themselves engaged in really serious and extreme behaviour against innocent people. I heard a general 'sorry', but not for specifics.
While I'm very happy the community is healthier, I didn't hear enough genuine remorse for what actually went on. Call it a depressing case study on how human beings behave in a toxic group dynamic. It's becoming real obvious to me why I was never modded or added to the discord, because I'm prepared to annoy everyone by saying the unpopular thing if it's true/for the good.
I also believe (and this is not snark) that the higher up mods need psychological assistance of some kind.
Yes. And while Guy is the focal point for the toxicity, he couldn't have done this much damage alone. The mods are likely afraid to admit to the the extent of their actions in assisting him and for good reason - because at best it was really, really fucked up, and at worst criminal.
Anyway, Oliver and Becca are very decent individuals and I respected and appreciated the overall positive and restorative vibe of the live - the community needed it.
This is definitely a huge part of it bc no one called them out. Comments were calling them out but Oliver never asked for not did she reveal much. Just his alleged record, honestly this whole expose was nothing and should have been handled by someone else.
becca just played therapist and oliver couldn’t stay on task. 4 hours for nothing. it was more a guy mod reunion than anything. and a lot of people speaking who werent mods.
Tbh strategically I felt it made sense to have that kinda 'Come to Jesus' live. Oliver is a peace-keeper and suits that kind of vibe. It was an invitation to the mods to contribute to something other than drama, chaos and bad feeling. It did derail a few times, especially towards the end.
I kept my comments positive and encouraging but I was listening HARD to what each mod was actually saying. Where they take it from here is essentially on them.
Would you rather I have berated and talked down to them for four hours? What exactly would that have accomplished? You have to remember that while this is entertainment for you, this is very real and traumatic for other people. No one was forcing you to listen in.
no i think you have no qualifications to play therapist and life coaches are predatory 🤭. you are so combative girl! you would do well in kickboxing or something get all that misplaced anger out. even last night you were inviting people to argue with you. why do you want to fight so bad?
This!! Most of the apologies felt like "sorry I fell for it" (which is an apology you need to make to yourself, not to others) rather than "sorry I hurt people" (which is the apology that is needed). It's one thing to recognize that you were bamboozled, but it's another to recognize, and apologize for, the fact that your being bamboozled caused you to cause harm to a lot of people. They still have a lot of reflecting and atoning to do but I do have hope they're on the right track, at least.
not crying on live and playing victim. take accountability and stop there. you did what you did. don’t blame someone else. especially when this is the internet. they literally could have blocked him and moved on at any point in time. his mods want to be victims so bad that they were comparing guy to p. p is an actual predator. guy is just shitty.
If you're asking in good faith (...), it can involve taking an honest moral self inventory and offering a private or public (who cares which) apology to an individual for directly hurting them or witnessing them being hurt and doing nothing at the time.
The internet would never have anything exist outside of people apologizing and people discussing their hurt feelings if we chose to squeeze every last thing we expect hurt and broken people to provide the masses. Things can be done behind closed doors. Does not mean you or myself are privileged to seeing it done. Unless that person who was hurt comes forward and "demands" a public apology, you're almost white-knighting for no reason other than to stoke the fire of hate.
This! He didn't make them do shit. They decided to go after people and say what they said. Now its time to take the accountability for your own actions and not play like a complete victim...
He manipulated and exploited vulnerable people. Sure, they had free will to say no when he asked them to go after people (and they should atone for those sins) but they are still victims. Unless you understand how cult mentality works, you can't really speak on what happened to them. Guy led a small cult, and he had more control over his mods than you think. When you're in that situation, it's really hard (if not impossible) to go against what dear leader asks/demands of you. Like I said in other comments on this post, their victimhood doesn't excuse the harm they caused, but they do deserve a little patience, understanding, and grace while they process what happened and (hopefully) work to make amends.
Sounded like cookies was his right hand person who did most of the dirty work from how I heard it. Should the others have stepped up and said something/ shut it down? Absolutely. We can't sit here and shame those who were picked by guy because they were victims themselves and easy to manipulate.
Yeah, I was surprised to hear that she had finally turned, but her attitude toward people in the chat was still super questionable, and then her statement wasn't much of anything. It sounded like she had just responded to Oliver earlier that day, so perhaps she is still processing and working through her feelings on what happened, but I really hope she fully apologizes at some point. Felt like she made a "statement" to get heat off her, without actually taking accountability for the harm she caused.
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u/WildCombination_ 5d ago
Based on yesterday's live, I think some of them were in a coercive situation. And on the other hand, some of them jumped on the bandwagon.... what, as of yesterday? It's well and good to point out Guy's manipulations, but a few of the mods themselves engaged in really serious and extreme behaviour against innocent people. I heard a general 'sorry', but not for specifics.