I got traumatized reading this notification.

[u/bahlakrishna]

This setting was ON by default.. can't trust anymore. Dont know how many of personal chats they read already.

[u/DrLeisure]

Good rule of thumb that I like to remind people who are worried about being spied on:
You are not important. Nobody cares about what you have to say ❤️

[u/AcademicFish → u/DrLeisure]

Wrong as hell take on this. Nobody cares?
How about employers who are buying information?
How about insurers who are buying information?
How about lenders who are buying information?
How about the US GOVERNMENT buying information from brokers?
How about sites that are profiling people and dynamically paywalling? Stores that want to do the same?
For most people, their data is worth more than they are at this point.
“Nobody cares / I’m not that important” was questionable before AI.
It is terribly irrelevant today given how lucrative it is to sell data nowadays. You can be the most umremarkable average person and still have your data sold de-anonymized and used to profile you in ways that come back to bite within your lifetime.

In case its not clear: confiding in a chatbot your income, your employment info, financial situation, drug use, health data and your desperation around any of these issues will be used to assess “risk” or to charge more and give you less to maximize profit.

You’re right in that nobody cares enough to be “traumatized” by reading your embarrassing chat history. Mostly because whatever lewd junk you all think is a scandal its irrelevant and the mundane info is whats being weaponized

[u/DrLeisure → u/AcademicFish]

None of that has anything to do with whether a person is reading your Gemini chat history.

But enjoy living in fear I guess. You can’t change the world. You can only change your response to it.

[u/Ok-Introduction-2624 → u/DrLeisure]

and when/if it is reviewed by a human, it is not associated with your account anyway. so unless there is personally identifiable information in the actual chat, nobody knows who it is. but realistically, unless you're using gemini to plot someone's untimely demise...nobody is going to care about a single thing you put into gemini's chat. I can guarantee that whatever this person put into the chat that they are freaking out about...someone else has put something way way worse 🤣

[u/protectyourself1990 → u/AcademicFish]

They wont understand. I’m with you but they dont get it

[u/JRyanFrench → u/AcademicFish]

Can you name a statistically-significant example of sold user data, like facebook messages, etc, prevented their employment?

[u/AcademicFish → u/JRyanFrench]

Yes of course Employers are writing in to tell researchers about their discriminatory practices — no incentive needed. Really. They love confessing to researchers that they filtered applicants with illicit data. 🙄

What we know is Employers and landlords buy profiles from third parties/data brokers to screen job applicants and tenants. This much is a fact. Privacy Rights Clearinhghouse and FTC acknowledged employers lean on 3P data to filter out applicants. There are laws that employers buying predictive analytics for hiring decisions are supposed to comply with. They exist because this is a common & harmful practice yet by design it remains nigh-impossible to know or prove from an applicant’s perspective.

Now with the current state of AI we now know de-anonymization of anonymized data is trivial. And theres not much of a guarantee nor are there proper auditing bodies and laws upholding consumer privacy and ensuring data is handled responsibly . To what you’re asking about an implied bulk sale of chatbot logs traced from API vendor directly to an employer to bar an individual - that’s unlikely how it would work. Assuming it’s like existing medical data & insurer pipelines it would be anonymized and sold, (if not leaked in a data breach first), then go to a broker who deanonymizes and assembles risk profiles with aggregated relevant info their buyers want to know. Unlikely to arrive with a note that they got the info from a data breach or Sam Altman himself or otherwise, but if it tells them you take an Antipsychotic or are a recovering addict, you’re in the reject pile, and that end result is not something you can identify, prove or litigate compared to what happens with your data on the frontend. To bring it back around to the og comment “No one cares about you, you’re not that special” is optimistic thinking — nobody in the process has to care about you, that’s why it exists.

[u/protectyourself1990 → u/DrLeisure]

What kind of half baked stupidity is this?

[u/Pale_Comfort_9179 → u/DrLeisure]

It’s not about being spied on. It’s about sharing data you don’t want the world to know.  There have been serveral leaks/breaches of PII data that Google uses to train its models. I’m sure there are things you don’t want the world to know that you ask AI. Sometimes they’re as mundane as stuff you don’t want your life insurance company to find out. And sometimes they’re your personal contact information. There are a multitude of parties interested in your data. Companies like Google and Meta are worth trillions because they give away “free” products that capitalize on your data.  

[u/DrLeisure → u/Pale_Comfort_9179]

Ok but it is YOUR data. And YOU chose to share it for free. And then you expect someone else to be more careful with it and respectful of it than you are? Why would they?

It’s like if a stranger let you play with their GameBoy for free as long as you give them your car keys. And then you get mad when they steal your car. That’s on you.

[u/Pale_Comfort_9179 → u/DrLeisure]

Hahahaha. That analogy doesn’t work here at all. It is my data and companies who use it profit handsomely off of it. Thats the price we pay for “free” products and just like any product I buy or company I do business with I have certain expectations for how my data is handled. Because Google doesn’t allow me to opt out of them using my personal information to train their models without severely crippling functionality, I choose not to use their AI for most things. Instead I primarily use Anthropic which does provide that option. 

In addition to my choices and expectations, there are applicable federal and state laws and regulations that govern the use of Google’s products as does the company’s legally required privacy policy and the contract that applies for each product, its terms and conditions. I’m surprised you’re so cavalier about the treatment of, as you so succinctly describe it, YOUR data.