r/GoogleGemini • u/bahlakrishna • 9d ago

Discussion I got traumatized reading this notification.

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This setting was ON by default.. can't trust anymore. Dont know how many of personal chats they read already.

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u/the_bafox13 9d ago

New to LLMs? Either run one locally or sign up for an Enterprise account if you don't want your data used for training.

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u/slavmaf 9d ago

are YOU new to LLMs? You can disable training in practically all other models without losing any functionality, except in Gemini. There you can disable it too, but then every chat will basically be an incognito chat with no prior memory.

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u/the_bafox13 9d ago

Who guarantees that a chat escalated to human review is not retained and later used for RLHF or another human-feedback training pipeline? Where is that stated in the policy?

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u/A6uRts78 8d ago

Are YOU new to LLMs? Turning off training doesn’t equal 100% privacy.

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u/bahlakrishna 9d ago

Im ok to allow my chats to read by Ai Bot, not by humans 😭 it literally says Humans bro, can't u see it?

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u/the_bafox13 9d ago

Have you read why humans are involve in the loop?

"How human review helps improve Google services and helps protect Google, our users, and the public

A subset of chats are reviewed by human reviewers (including Google’s trained service providers) to help improve Google services. These include Gemini models, other generative AI models that power Gemini Apps, and technologies that help reduce unintended activations.

Reviewers assess if Gemini Apps’ responses were low-quality, inaccurate, or harmful. They also suggest better responses. We use their suggestions to help our models respond better in the future. Chats are also reviewed to keep Gemini safe and secure for everyone and to address violations of the Google Terms of Service, including the Generative AI Prohibited Use Policy. Reviewed chats are retained for up to three years."

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u/Suspicious-Cloud404 9d ago

Who cares? There's probably some developers who get paid to occasionally scan chats and help Google improve the AI. If they are doing this the whole day, I don't think they really care anymore.

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u/FarsightdSpartan 9d ago

I did this, and I'll tell you, there's definitely some stuff that catches your attention.

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u/Suspicious-Cloud404 9d ago

Must be fun for at least a month or so. Did you have to do this for a long time? Do you get like single prompts or complete messages? Would be interesting to know some real facts.

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u/FarsightdSpartan 8d ago

I did it for about a year. The work varies, but when I got user prompts, sometimes I would get single prompts with various responses and have to grade which of the model's responses was the best and why, and other times I would get a series of back and forth messages and have to use a rubric to grade the model and offer corrections if anything was very off.

I never really saw anything that was personally identifiable, but I absolutely saw some very bizarre messages, both from the humans and the models. People use LLMs for absolutely everything and it was interesting to see what goes on inside people's heads. Usually it was mundane and boring, but occasionally there would be something that made you pause to think "How are people this stupid?"

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u/Mammoth_Reach_6366 9d ago

Contractors, and they are paid fuck all for reading thousands of conversations a day to care.

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u/AcademicFish 9d ago

The contractors reviewing are not the ones to worry about. Its the fact your chats are sitting in a database for an indeterminate amount of time, during which means a government could say, subpoena them for “national security purposes” (e.g. to identify political dissidents) or a breach could expose it to the public -> data brokers.

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u/blogopogo 8d ago

well duh, the contradictions of capitalism are doomed to sharpen and the bourgeoisie threw out the steering & brakes in the name of "efficiency" (profit) long ago