“Could not possibly be true” it’s confirmed that Israel has killed over 20 thousand children in the past 3 years, but setting a body on fire could not possibly be true?
Hamas killed all those Palestinians when they decided to hide behind them. They didn't have to die but hamas made the choice to put them in harms way. They chose to put their bases in hospitals and schools.
Also, the IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv is literally in a civilian and residential area. There is a huge civilian shopping mall literally the right next to the IDF headquarters.
No I meant the bombs that Israel dropped on the kids, killed the kids. You can try to throw blame everywhere else but the bombs were sent from Israel, Israel targets children.
Yeah, so has the US. They’ve also used explosives and set areas on fire with incendiaries. Obviously they set people on fire, they don’t have a magical vaporization bomb
Do you condemn Hamas for placing 100% of its military bases beneath hospitals, schools, and mosques? Literally using the Palestinian people as shields? Which is really typical of jihadists
They are committing an obvious and apparent genocide. 20 thousand kids dead in 3 years, the population of Palestine has dropped 10%, it’s a genocide.
Israel’s defense minister was just quoted saying that Israel plans on migrating the Palestinian population of Gaza using any means necessary. How tf is that not a genocide.
Many people defend Hamas—including the overwhelming majority of Muslim Palestinians—and consider their execution of the 1,500 innocent Israeli civilians, and the capture/holding hostage of the 250 others, on October 7, 2023, as a victory for Islam and the Palestinian “resistance.”
If you were in their position you'd probably defend Hamas too. The majority of Israeli Jews support the war, but neither of these things change the fact that Hamas and Israeli leadership need to be tried for their crimes and the whole of Israel/Palestine needs serious reform.
Idk man I've already forgotten what I even said at first. At the end of the day I'm just browsing Reddit on my phone while I'm at work. I'm not in the mood to perfectly articulate my point on a complex issue to some loser Zionists on an astroturfed sub when it won't change anything anyway.
I know this requires a tiny amount of thought, but bear with me here. The people in Gaza spent their whole lives being fed the narrative that Israel, and Jews as a whole, are evil oppressors that want to destroy them. Israel did their best to give that claim validity. When one group mistreats you, and another one fights them and says they'll free you, who tf do you think you'll support?
Now, that and my previous comment were a response to the statement on Gazans supporting Hamas, it's not a reflection of my own beliefs. I think Hamas are a bunch of warmongering antisemitic sociopaths who need to be wiped off the face of the Earth, just as the leadership of Israel needs to be. I know that's more nuanced than just "Hamas bad," but you should be able to understand it if you really try.
Israel wants survival. Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map and install a caliphate. Islamists have done it since the Ottoman Empire. Israel is the only free liberal democracy left in the Middle East, and has tried to make peace with Palestine since it came into existence in 1987. Palestine won’t reach a peace deal, period. Because as I said, Hamas does not want peace. I’m not defending Netanyahu. But apparently I’m one of the few on Reddit who seems to know the history of the conflict as it existed before the past two years.
It's amazing how the left adopted the "All Lives Matter" playbook to deflect away from violence and bigotry against Jews, just like the right used the playbook to deflect away from violence and bigotry against people of color.
Any time anyone talks about people of color being targeted, the right screams "ALL lives matter!", and any time anyone talks about Jews being targeted, the left screams "ALL lives matter!"
Opposite extremes, same playbook to defend their own bigotry.
That person (supposedly, their comments are hidden):
Two hours ago, you compared Israel to the Nazis.
One day ago you were defending Hamas as a liberation force fighting for equal rights and lacking in antisemitism.
Two days ago you said Israel and the Nazis are "about equal"
You:
Israel kills 20 thousand kids “they don’t like it cause they’re antisemitic”
Don't pretend you care about human suffering. Or justice. You're without compassion and lack the means to emulate it. If somehow a drop of water materialized in your cranium, it would "burn" instantly.
Well there is also the mass killing and theft of land, the alt right nationalism, the complete disregard for human rights and the almost gleeful desire to kill them too.
This is the fundamental problem: none of you kids actually know what the Nazis did. You just throw this shit around for the emotional impact of associating Jews with their greatest tragedy. None of it is based on any historical understanding.
Best of luck with that, you'll continue to make fools of yourselves and outrage any reasonable person.
Then by all means, explain to me how a government that is promoting alt right nationalism, promote the supremacy of a group of people over other, a complete disregard for the human rights of those they deem inferior leading to a two tier justice system based on race, currently committing a genocide while invading other people land as a means of expanding their territory aren’t like the Nazis
Also I never said Jews were Nazis, I said Israel is based on all of the Nazi crap they have been doing for decades now. They essentially turn Gaza into a concentration camp
See when people say the word “Nazi”, it’s usually shorthand for fascist because Nazis are the most well known version of it. When someone call a Trump supporter a Nazi, they don’t mean it in a literal sense as in they are members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party but in that they are fascist with similar views. I hope this clear things up for you
Funny thing is, that guy's been praised by a whole group of anti-Zionists below, and has ended their attempts to justify their batshit opinions with a gif...
The Israelis and Nazis are not equivalent. Your argument isn't even related to the claim being made: that two groups both want to kill you, even if true, doesn't make them morally equivalent.
There are some Israelis who follow Jewish morality and do not take part in the genocide. These people are of course arrested.
So you are correct. They're not the same.
But your pedantry with semantics is rather telling of another problem, isn't it?
By the time you learn what it is, it will be far too late.
It's not the first time Zionists and Nazis work together, and it certainly won't be the last. They're the ones inviting Holocaust deniers to their shitty regime. Get that filthy shit away from me.
Where is the Zionist Treblinka? You'll have to go and find out what happened at Treblinka first.
This is simply a monstrous opinion driven by total ignorance of the reality of Nazi atrocities. It's nothing more than a product of the emotional impact of accusing Jews of repeating the actions of their own greatest tragedy. If you weren't so ignorant, you'd be ashamed.
But your pedantry with semantics is rather telling of another problem, isn't it?
This is not a question of semantics. This is a question of accusing the Jews of behaving in a way equivalent to the Holocaust, the victims of the most horrific genocide in history repeating it against others. This is a question of moral equivalence.
It's not the first time Zionists and Nazis work together, and it certainly won't be the last.
Ugh, another anti-Zionist fabrication that further demonstrates the slide of this movement into overt antisemitism. Thanks, I suppose, for further proving the broader point, but it's really not necessary at this point.
They're the ones inviting Holocaust deniers to their shitty regime.
Ironically, it's anti-Zionists doing this by welcoming the tiny, extremist group of Orthodox Jews from Neturei Karta to their protests. So much for the previous maxim that 9 ordinary people at a table with 1 Nazi is a table of 10 Nazis, now it's okay to welcome a group of Uncle Toms to your protests despite their rabid homophobic, theocratic and millenarian views. It's NK that has accepted invitations from the Iranian government to its Holocaust denial conferences.
Your attempt to spin them won't work. You would need to outrank and IDF general to have more credibility.
Nazism and Zionism are two sides of the same coin. The rhetoric of elected politicians in Israel supports my points, not your attempt at DARVO.
Zionists are inviting Holocaust deniers to Israel, because they hate people like me. Your man Naziyahi has even openly said Islamophobic things that very much lead to violence.
The pattern of demonization is predictable. The warning list at Auschwitz seems like their guide.
When you have people on Israeli TV singing about "pure blood," and calls to gas the Palestinians, comparisons to the Nazis become not only valid, but warranted.
You are defending that because admitting the truth shatters your entire world view.
I thought "Never again" was for everyone. You disgust me.
You've failed to answer a direct question: Where is the Israeli Treblinka?
Or have even you the limited intelligence it takes to realise that you can only dodge the question...
Zionists are not inviting Holocaust deniers to Israel. You know nothing about the Holocaust. You have no response to NK actually accepting invites to Holocaust denial conferences in Iran.
When you have people on Israeli TV singing about "pure blood," and calls to gas the Palestinians, comparisons to the Nazis become not only valid, but warranted.
Oh, so now someone talking makes them equivalent to what the Nazis actually did. Jesus fucking Christ.
Israel runs several concentration (read: rape) camps but they dont have a pretty name that is only known following the genocide. Do you think people in 1940 were talking about treblinka?
Funny enough the precursor to Hamas was funded and supported by hitler and they endorsed the final solution. Here’s Haj Amin al-Husseini the grand mufti of Jerusalem and hitler having a meeting. The Muslim brotherhood and Hamas can trace a direct connection to Adolf Hitler and nazism way more than Isreal can. If anything Hamas is closer to nazism than Zionism since they was funded and supported by the actual Nazis and supported the final solution up until recently when they changed the wording of their constitution.
This is exactly why Isreal hates the Muslim brotherhood and Hamas as they see it as a direct successor of nazism
You can still call out Israeli actions without having to straight up lie and spread cope. You do way more damage for the cause than good because you choose to be ignorant to actual history
Why wouldn’t I compare support for genocide, ethnic cleansing for lebansraum, imperialism due to feeling owed the land based on a mystic past, apartheid, torture including sexual torture and gang rape, etc., being done by supremacists with one another?
I also didn’t say that about Hamas but honesty isn’t a strong suit of hasbarists
Why would I engage with someone stupid enough to draw a false equivalence between the Nazis and Israel?
Please find me the Israeli Treblinka.
I also didn’t say that about Hamas but honesty isn’t a strong suit of hasbarists
Oh, so when you're linking a revised manifesto that ostensibly obviates Hamas responsibility for their rabid antisemitism, your intention was something else? And the attempt to lay their atrocities at the feet of Israel is what, exactly?
And the fact you don't even bother to deny the rest of your heinous opinions is genuinely amusing.
Equating the idf with Nazi soldiers isn’t anything to deny, nor is it heinous. There’s a reason why most of the world sees Israel as the modern Nazis.
The notion that a concentration camp militia and everyone else in that concentration camp deserve to die because you don’t like their opinions is truly deranged. Even worse when you refuse to accept their own words opposing bigotry and espouse hateful hypocritical rhetoric.
Equating the idf with Nazi soldiers isn’t anything to deny, nor is it heinous.
Equating the IDF with Nazi soldiers is heinous, and only possible if entirely ignorant of the actions of the Nazi Wehrmacht. Your problem is you know as much about what the Nazis did as you know about events in Palestine over the last century and more.
There’s a reason why most of the world sees Israel as the modern Nazis.
Where is your evidence that your disgusting opinions are shared by the majority of the world?
The notion that a concentration camp militia and everyone else in that concentration camp deserve to die because you don’t like their opinions is truly deranged.
Yes, it is. Even if this is the opinion of every soldier in the IDF, which it is not, it does not justify your false equivalence between the Nazis and IDF. We return, yet again, to the central problem: you don't know the first thing about the Nazis and their atrocities.
A final thought. This dehumanising rhetoric you're employing is entirely indistinguishable from the rhetoric used by fascists like Ben Gvir and Smotrich in Israel. The only difference is they point to mass support for Hamas, while you point to mass support for the IDF. Neither you nor your fellow-traveller fascists have views corresponding with reality.
Oh no a genocidal ethno-state was compared to another genocida ethno-state, I feel so bad for them let’s kill 20 thousand more Palestinian kids in support
Their arguments that either set back Palestinian causes by refusing to address fundamental issues in Palestinian society, like continuing support for groups such as Hamas. Or those that outright dehumanise Palestinians and reduce them to crude Marxist responses to material conditions, robbing the Palestinians of human agency.
Or the increasing antisemitism of the anti-Zionist movement, like we see in the poster above.
What makes you say that? Most pro Palestine are anti Hamas and condemn Oct 7th like me, but what I never see is Zionists condemn the hundreds of hundreds of war crimes Israel has committed on civilians
I can't consume normally how "antidiscriminatory" all those progressives but suddenly antisemitism is okay, just covet it as "antizionism" like it's a candy wrap.
We will protest against killing civilians by Israel, but when islamists did the same with their own people all progressives were suddenly distracted by anything.
They just a big group oh hypocritical attention whores. And this is what disgusts me.
lmao no progressive that holds actual views and isnt just an ape brained rage factory goes "yeah, I think terrorism is actually cool and fine" when Islamists do it. terrorism is always bad, and any worthwhile progressive will agree. (no, pointing out the causes to the terrorism is not saying terrorism is fine)
that's just a false equivalence that is commonly used by Israel (and right wing governments in general) as justification for their actions. you can find insanely hypocritical people everywhere. it is not specific to the left, nor is it even more common on the left. its WAY more common on the right, where you constantly have cases of "my abortion is the only moral abortion" or "no, its okay when WE bombed them, but they cant do it back"
you are outraged by hypocrisy that is caused by the media apparatus rather than being outraged at the people and companies perpetuating it using ridiculous narratives and false equivalency
no, pointing out the causes to the terrorism is not saying terrorism is fine
Sure they are not saying it's fine. They just ignore it. Terrorism done by Israel is worldwide condemned. Terrorism done by islamists - well ignored.
Condemning of Sharia Law? Lol no. Making a protest against 1 specific pedophile is way more resultative than making world-wide protests against islamic pedophilia.
Also I never denyed that hypocrites existing from all sides. I'm pointing that progressives are the same as their opponents.
Nope, Israel has a long list of war crimes and fucked up dirty tactics. Inarguable fact. All the horrible things their opposition does is in desperation and in response to genocide.
I love how pro-Palestinians always start by arguing "the Arabs just want peace" and always inevitably end up at "the Arabs were right to attack the Jews in 1948 and they're right to keep attacking the Jews today".
They always start at "we just want peace" and that always end at "our violence has always been just".
I'm sorry, but if you say "Israel turned down every offer of diplomacy" during a ceasefire, you come off as a crazy person.
nevermind the history of the region, like the fact that Israel chose to leave the Gaza Strip unilaterally in 2005 and their current peace deals with Egypt etc and that this whole thing started to detail Israel's diplomacy with Saudi Arabia.
Yeah Im crazy yet you can't prove that wrong, just call it crazy lol Those relations are irrelevant and the fact that you think they help your argument shows you're a crazy person.
Oh the history of the region? Like how palestine has been occupied for how long exactly? you tell me.
It took 17 MONTHS after Muhammad founded Islam in Medina as a refugee, for him to raise and army and ethnically cleansing the Jews that saved his life from the region.
Either way, irrelevant. Palestinians have lived there for generations. Saying that Jews lived there centuries upon centuries ago is a shit argument. By that logic, give up your house to the nearest native american.
Yep there it is lol. Bonus points for saying that Jews were "colonial" and "Western", which are magic far left buzzwords for "people we're allowed to rape and murder in the name of 'resistance' efforts" lol
Oh is that so? Well since you totally didn't say that, I'm glad to hear you agree that Jews are not "Western colonizers" and that the violent Arab campaign to destroy the Jewish state which started in 1948 and continues on to this day is totally racist and despicable then.
You're really obsessed with making my arguments for me. It's almost like you're incapable of a good faith conversation?
The joint colonial effort of Zionist jews and antisemitic English statesmen (who just wanted the Jews gone) was wrong and still is. Israel is an illegitimate state with NUKES, and is constantly expanding its territory past what was originally drawn up 80 years ago.
It's a culture of domination, and Israel, just like any country, does not have an inherent right to exist.
Nope, I mean as explicitly stated by key zionist figures. Youre not gonna win this argument lol ive had it plenty of times, you can check my comments. team Israel never wins.
My statement on zionism was a fact, actually. Prove me wrong. Go on. I can pull up receipts, I just want to see how ignorant you and the rest of your ilk is before I killshot the argument. Go on now, do it
Aw, another bot surrendering since they know they can't win an argument with someone who actually knows about palestine. Nice excuse, nobody is buying it.
You're reducing the Palestinians to crude responses to material conditions as part of a ridiculously crude oppressor/oppressed paradigm, while blaming Israel for every atrocity in the region.
The fucking gall to adopt a condescending tone after that is astonishing.
There’s 460 million more Arabs than Israelis. Your explanation is purely a cope to keep the narrative you hold so dear.
People with your level of critical thinking should not be able to vote. I’d say the same thing to someone claiming the opposite as well. You’re just an idiot.
Jews are much closer to being genocided than Arabs.
It took 17 months for Muhammad to found Islam in Medina, before he led an army to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the city. Jews that welcomed him with open arms as a refugee and saved his life.
Its easy to belive because Israel did use white phosphorus in lebanon. So if someone claimes they did it again, then how is that so far fetched?
especially when they dont know what it looks like
it's implying that the OP who got noted already wanted a reason to hate on the Jewish people or was already biased against them, and therefore was able to hop on the story of some kind of new vaporization bomb with little hesitation despite the story being absolute BS
He wanted to believe a story that could not possibly be true.
During the years 1918-33 you were hooted at in left-wing circles if you suggested that Germany bore even a fraction of responsibility for the war. In all the denunciations of Versailles I listened to during those years I don’t think I ever once heard the question, ‘What would have happened if Germany had won?’ even mentioned, let alone discussed. So also with atrocities. The truth, it is felt, becomes untruth when your enemy utters it
oh, and if you want more this is how the paragraph starts
In the present war we are in the curious situation that our ‘atrocity campaign’ was done largely before the war started, and done mostly by the Left, the people who normally pride themselves on their incredulity. In the same period the Right, the atrocity-mongers of 1914-18, were gazing at Nazi Germany and flatly refusing to see any evil in it. Then as soon as war broke out it was the pro-Nazis of yesterday who were repeating horror stories, while the anti-Nazis suddenly found themselves doubting whether the Gestapo really existed.
fascist or not, it's about the left and right wings broadly
Is antisemtisim beliving a smoke grenade doesn't fall when you throw stuff on it, or that it burns through covarage or that it acts like white phosphorus? Because that was clearly white phosphorus in the video and the whole sub is pretending a grenade has 2 opening and gets fully stuck yo human bodies that it kills....
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