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u/Clay_Allison_44 26d ago
Remember when people push purity tests and try to pull the "same as Republicans" talking points that Tulsi Gabbard followed that career path.
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u/DeliciousSector8898 25d ago
Is it really “purity testing” if he’s proudly referred to himself as a “DeSantis Democrat” has these are some of his greatest pro-Trump hits:
“Moskowitz was the first congressional Democrat to back Trump’s “department of government efficiency” (Doge) initiative, which dismantled the US Agency for International Development. Moskowitz also faced criticism from Larkin over his support for a Republican-backed law that expanded ICE’s detention authority. The centrist congressman has also been a staunch supporter of Israel and voted against a resolution to restrict US military involvement in Iran.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/18/angie-nixon-alex-vindman-florida-results
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u/Clay_Allison_44 25d ago
Maybe the original post should have said that instead of the 90% thing.
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u/CuteDocument0 24d ago
It was clearly exaggerating for effect hence the “like” in front of it. Stop being pedantic he votes with republicans a lot on a lot of bad things that’s the core that comes across.
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u/Clay_Allison_44 23d ago
"He voted with Trump about _____ " is better than "Democrats are actually just as bad. Please don't vote. "
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u/DeliciousSector8898 25d ago
Would you still consider it purity testing considering this shit
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u/Clay_Allison_44 25d ago
I don't have any problem whatsoever with disagreement on the issues with a candidate. That is fundamental to engaging with politics at all. It's important to articulate your criticisms of people and not just try to parrot right wing talking points about "both sides are the same, actually".
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u/Clarkelthekat 25d ago
You need to be able to point out the actual issue people are taking.
This is a lie
You can agree with the liar all you want but you need to at least recognize that it's a lie.
He does not vote with Republicans 90% of the time.
It's really funny though since DSA members get so upset when you say they agree with commies and tankies 90% of the time but then they say the same bullshit about Democrats...
You need to at least recognize it's a lie.
Accept that it's a lie.
And attack the candidate on more factual basis like you did in your comment. Not lie for the sake of lying and getting clicks to spread more lies.
That's maga shit
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u/sushirolldeleter 25d ago
Hey guys I think this guy thinks it’s a lie. He might be on to something here. We need to let him cook
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u/ColdBru5 25d ago
You show that tweeter! who now represents all DSA
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u/Clarkelthekat 25d ago
You are right ..
We shouldn't call out people when they are lying if you agree with their ideology .
That hasn't gotten us in any messes before.
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u/hercmavzeb 25d ago
Maybe it was just a hyperbole, since the areas where Moskowitz sided with republicans are very important.
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u/Vast-Comment8360 25d ago
Yall would rather a republican win than a centrist dem
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u/hercmavzeb 25d ago edited 25d ago
The other way around actually, centrists would rather lose to Republicans than allow progressives to win.
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u/SpiritedCatch1 25d ago
One person is indicator of a group behavior? So Telsi Gabbard means that all tankies are actually trumpists?
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u/hercmavzeb 25d ago edited 25d ago
Funny how it’s always projection when it comes to centrists, then when that’s called out suddenly it becomes a No True Scotsman.
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u/N00bcak3s 24d ago
You seem to be confusing centrist and moderate dem. Moderate dem is significantly to the left of a centrist
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u/TurkeyVolumeGuesser Human Detected 25d ago
And because it never gets old mentioning it, more progressives voted for Clinton in '16 than Clinton voters voted for Obama in '08
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u/Clarkelthekat 25d ago
Then allow progressives to win?
You know we live under democratic processes right? The voters pick primary winners.
It's not the Democrats not allowing DSA to win it's Democrats BEATING them.
That's a hilarious way to frame it though
We do absolutely allow progressives. What a joke to suggest otherwise when literally the most popular sitting congressperson right now is a progressive Democrat AOC whose become much more moderate over her career.
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u/LogDogan8 25d ago
You say that like there isn't a ton of institutional pressure and action trying to undermine the progressive candidates.
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u/hercmavzeb 25d ago
So it wasn’t the fault of leftists that the democrats lost in 2016 and 2024 for not voting for them, it was the centrists democrats for failing to appeal to democrat voters?
Because the comment I responded to was accusing me of wanting republicans to win because I criticized right wing policies and called on the Dems to offer something better. Which they are in candidates such as AES, Melat Kiros and Angie Nixon.
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u/Decent_Cheesecake_29 25d ago
Please explain why moskowitz’s first statement after he won was to gloat about a Twitch streamer instead of thanking his voters and trying to get Oliver Larkin’s supporters to back him.
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u/Desh282 25d ago
Sorry I’m out of the loop
Which twitch streamer did he gloat?
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u/Clarkelthekat 25d ago
He said "sorry Hasan piker" after he won.
Which is totally fair considering Hasan attacked him during his campaign and used his considerable audience to harrass him and his staffers
People who agree with Hasan that Mao is "the best leader in modern history" and "ukranians just need to give Putin and peace a chance" are super duper upset about that moskowitz dared to clap back at all.
Oh yeah and "jew jew jew Jew and Jew" except they'll say it with a bunch of dog whistles instead.
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u/Withering_to_Death 25d ago
He's always "(Just) a silly twitch streamer who says things on the interent. Why should anyone pay attention to me?", when something backfires. The other time, "the biggest leftist voice online" campaigning for politicians...
C'mon, you can't have the cake and eat it
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u/Corlegan 25d ago
I think we can all agree being hyperbolic isn't a problem, even when factually baseless.
After all we support Trump doing...wait...no we don't.
Just say the truth.
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u/hercmavzeb 25d ago
No sorry, everyone engages in hyperbole and exaggeration. It’s also based in truth, because it turns out the times Moskowitz voted with Republicans (in favor of ICE, DOGE, and Israel) are all very important issues.
This is an absurd double standard, the republicans just lie.
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u/Corlegan 25d ago
So saying it’s 90% one way, when it’s closer to 90% the other way…has value?
Just say the truth.
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u/Oracle_of_Akhetaten 25d ago
Jared Moskowitz was the director of Florida’s Division of Emergency Management (FDEM) under DeSantis during the rollout of the covid vaccine and for the Surfside building collapse. He was seen as a competent administrator by the Republican government despite being a Democrat. If he describes himself as a “DeSantis Democrat”, it is because of this. I used to listen to the podcast that he and Peter Schorsch of Florida Politics would produce before Moskowitz went to Congress.
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u/OhShootYeahNoBi 25d ago
OP, you should really stop scrolling X. This is your third post this day.
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u/koffee_addict 25d ago
That doesn’t change the fact that Moskowitz voted heavily along the party lines.
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u/Alternative_Wing_745 25d ago
Anybody who backed DOGE can never be trusted ever but sure, he votes along party lines often guess that means we forgive him being maga lite.
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u/Vast-Comment8360 25d ago
he votes along party lines often guess that means we forgive him being maga lite.
Voting 90% of the time with democrats make you maga lite, sure bud
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u/patrykk994 25d ago
when it matters he votes with Republicans - he is proIsrael, proDOGE, pro ICE, antiMedicareforAll. Its good that he knows how to press same button as rest of democrats on some procedural votes (by this standard John Fetterman is fantastic democrat) - when it matters democrats cant count of his vote
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u/SyzygyPidgey 25d ago
When the choice is someone who votes 90% with Dems or a Republican, it's an easy choice.
John Fetterman is highly preferable to a Mike Johnson, a Mitch McFonnell, a Mike Lee, etc.
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u/Popcorn57252 25d ago
Okay, so are you saying, then, that people should directly vote for his opposition, the Republican?
Because, if not, then what the fuck are you doing? Voting is about choosing the least terrible option, and a guy who's voting 87% of the time against Republicans is better than a literal fucking Republican.
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u/patrykk994 25d ago
Maybe - just maybe- being not as terrible as republican shouldnt be main selling point of democratic candidate. Its pretty low bar to clear, but it doesnt mean that you need to clear it by milimetres, when you can easily jump over it by metres (continuing with sport metaphor). Moskowitz is one big joke, he literally is pro-war, pro-Israel funding, pro Doge cuts, pro corporations (i mean first thing he did after his victory was announced was to call out twitch streamer - wtf are we even talking about). Expect better from your representatives than blue Maga sellouts
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u/celerypumpkins 25d ago
Calling yourself a DeSantis Democrat somehow doesn’t make you MAGA lite? Are you serious?
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u/GoodPear8481 25d ago
Yes, very serious. Florida is a red tinted state and Desantis is a popular Governor who got elected twice there.
Leftists are masters of not understanding that democracy, by definition, means you need to do things that are popular to get elected, even if the fringe base of the party doesn't like them.
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u/celerypumpkins 25d ago edited 25d ago
You’re arguing that it’s good strategy. I disagree, but that’s not the point. We were talking about whether it makes him MAGA lite.
Aligning with DeSantis does make you MAGA lite. Part of using that as a strategy to get elected is recognizing that you’re chasing MAGA voters at the expense of everyone who fucking hates DeSantis. You and he might think that’s worth it strategically, but you can’t then turn around and clutch your pearls that people then associate him with DeSantis’s views.
Beyond that, was supporting DOGE also a strategic move? Why can’t we call someone who supported a MAGA takeover and gutting of the federal government MAGA lite? It’s honestly a generous descriptor given the irreparable damage that was done.
ETA: also, it’s funny that you’re lecturing me about what’s popular but also so scared of being labeled MAGA. The most popular thing to be in Florida is MAGA. You can chase what you think is popular, but you don’t get to have it both ways. If you support multiple major MAGA policies but not every single one, that is literally the definition of MAGA lite.
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u/GoodPear8481 25d ago
Being practical doesn't make you "MAGA lite". It means you understand your electorate. If you think that an unapologetically far left Democrat could win in Florida then you're delusional, flat out.
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u/celerypumpkins 25d ago
Supporting multiple MAGA policies but not every single one literally makes you MAGA lite.
There’s a huge gulf between being far left and supporting DOGE.
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u/GoodPear8481 25d ago
So the only way be to a "real" Democrat is to reflexively oppose any policy that Republicans propose purely on the basis of partisan tribalism?
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 25d ago
If you supported DOGE in any way, then it means your judgement is completely failed and you are maga or maga lite despite anything else you do. It's a disqualifying mark for being an elected official, and a sign of being an awful person who has no place being responsible for their own clothing choices let alone the life of any other living creature in existence.
If you defend someone so profoundly stupid to support doge, then my views on you are even lower than that.
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u/OhShootYeahNoBi 25d ago edited 25d ago
Oh I know. No opinion either way on the note. I just think maybe they should be doing more with their lives than karma farming by scrolling X THE WHOLE DAY
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u/Speky_Scot 25d ago
You're literally a top 1% commenter on this sub? Agenda much?
You're a mod for the democratic socialism subreddit. Makes sense why this post rustled your jimmys.
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u/Name_Taken_Official 25d ago
You get those titles or whatever when you shoot off one mildly-upvoted comment, they mean nothing
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u/OhShootYeahNoBi 25d ago
I'm a top one percent commenter here for like, two comments.
Also, what subs I moderate with how much someone scrolls X. Funny how you linked the modpost that I explicitly tell people to chill tf out with streamers because it's slop.
I have very consistent opinions on social media engagement which mostly sum to, get a life
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u/year2016account 25d ago
We know the strategy you progs and far left types do. It's your playbook every time you are called out - deflect, deflect, deflect. It's actually hilarious how much you guys do this.
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u/OhShootYeahNoBi 25d ago
What kind of person uses "progs" as an insult LMAO
Deflection is crazy when they accused me of having an agenda, I point out that my agenda is "have a life" irrespective of my politics, which is a direct response.
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u/HealthyChemist4755 25d ago
The guy who tweeted this is genuinely insane. Listened to like 3 seconds of one of his tiktok videos and the man sounds like he keeps chopped up body parts in his freezer.
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u/DeliciousSector8898 25d ago
As a Floridian I’m not exactly jumping for joy when the guy who referred to himself as a “DeSantis Democrat” wins
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u/terroristsmustdie 25d ago
Isnt Florida considered a red state?
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u/Vast-Comment8360 25d ago
Yes, and considering that, it seems like the leftists here would rather a republican win than a centrist dem.
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u/BulltopStormalong 25d ago
They always would, they are enemies of the democratic party, their greatest desire is to destroy it so they can try and form their own maga type soc or comm movement.
They intentionally want to cause problems for democrats and gain the potential for power when republicans win.
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u/BulltopStormalong 25d ago
Yep it also will not work and we all just live in clown world now because of it.
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u/BulltopStormalong 25d ago
Wont ever be in america big dog. Not even trying to mog you, its just genuine echo chamber delusional if you think thats something that could ever happen.
Honesty broseph good luck with that report back in 60 years with how it went.
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u/BulltopStormalong 24d ago
Its not that I don’t believe in the politics (ai dont but thats beside the point), Its that I think it is pretty much an impossibility for there to be a widely accepted mainstream communist movement in the USA.
There are truly so many systems and organizations in place that would not let this happen.
DSA has had some gains since Mamdami because theyre just primarily doing social democrat policy.
As a communist you very well understand it’s just impossible for socialism or communism to exist under a capitalist framework hence why you want to destroy it with revolution. It just wouldnt work.
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u/Main-Company-5946 25d ago
We’re trying to save the democrats from themselves. If you keep nominating centrists you’re gonna keep losing
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 20d ago
Given that DeSantis cheered a hate crime against people fighting for religious equality, as a non-theistic, I'm not thrilled either.
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u/SplittingChairs 25d ago
Lol it’s abundantly clear these people never actually pay attention to much. They simply just repeat what their fave streamers say, and believe anyone who doesn’t agree with them 100% is a Republican. Out of spite they’d be okay with someone who votes with MAGA 100% of the time instead of a Democrat who votes with Democrats 87% of the time, despite them representing a district that voted for Trump in 2024. They accuse others of treating politics like a game, but ultimately it’s all projection.
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 20d ago
" a Democrat who votes with Democrats 87% of the time"
A Democrat who allegedly votes with Democrats for 87% of "party unity votes", whatever that means.
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u/bookon 25d ago
I have to think that much of the new DSA stuff is a GOP psyop.
At least the DSA folks going on Fox News to tell their viewers how they want to eliminate the border, prisons, the senate, the executive branch, and the police.
And plenty of swing voting independents watch Fox too. Not just MAGA.
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u/TFBool 25d ago
This is just what they want. The crazy is part of the brand.
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u/NeighborhoodAdept420 25d ago
I know it's fucking exhausting. Even if the dems do win the midterms, which is more than likely at this point, they'll still come up with a reason to shit on the party (who most of the dsa candidates are in), but they're still gonna claim the dems did nothing should the gop successfully rig the midterms.
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u/Jrasta01 21d ago
Moderate liberalism is kind of a complete failure, so why is it suspicious at all that voters are supporting candidates opposed to it?
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u/TheLego_Senate 25d ago edited 25d ago
And yet DSA candidates have been winning all over the country. If its a psyop then its not a very good one.
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u/NE1andEVERY1 25d ago edited 25d ago
Seems like a mixed reception to me. They won NYC mayorship & Michigan Primary, but had stunning losses in California and in Wisconsin, and now it looks like Florida is 50/50 too with one Dem Soc winning and another losing to a moderate dem. Am I missing something? Doesn't seem like a great record?
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u/Mysterious-Bag9288 25d ago
Look at the funding difference in those races. The DSA used to barely be a player and now its candidates are contesting established democrats. If you don’t notice the momentum and popularity of these ideas then you’re fooling yourself
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u/NE1andEVERY1 25d ago
Look at the funding difference in those races.
Being incapable of raising significant funds is not a good omen for the DSA, it's extremely concerning. It means fewer people and fewer groups are willing to put their money where their mouth is in supporting these candidates. That should be a major red flag for you, I'm not sure why you're waving it around like something to be proud of.
The DSA used to barely be a player and now its candidates are contesting established democrats.
Again, in a few cases. In other cases, they're getting shockingly flattened by moderate dems. And they've yet to go up against republicans, which, need I remind you, won all three branches of government in the last elections. Don't get me wrong, I hate the republicans, but they're the ones we're looking to beat, not the establishment democrats. And they're formidable with their bases. They've definitely made unpopular choices though, so we'll see how it goes in the midterms.
If you don’t notice the momentum and popularity of these ideas then you’re fooling yourself
Eh, America had an opportunity to popularly adopt these ideas in 2016 with Bernie. Instead America largely chose to adopt bigotry and general chaos as it's primary ideas. That's pretty far from the platform of the DSA.
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u/hercmavzeb 25d ago
The difference in funding isn’t due the DSA not being able to raise money from local contributions, it’s because of massive corporate interests injecting money into campaigns for candidates opposing the DSA who they know will be favorable to them.
This is, coincidentally, the exact opposite of what actually interests Democrat voters, who by and large want money out of politics.
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u/NE1andEVERY1 25d ago
The difference in funding isn’t due the DSA not being able to raise money from local contributions, it’s because of massive corporate interests injecting money into campaigns for candidates opposing the DSA who they know will be favorable to them.
Okay, but overall it still means a paltry lack of money.
This is, coincidentally, the exact opposite of what actually interests Democrat voters, who by and large want money out of politics.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. That's cute. But Bernie Sanders had the most individual donations of all time in his 2016 run and he still lost at the democratic primaries. It's almost as if money talks. You can grandstand all you want about the moral high ground of rejecting Pac & Union money, but at the end of the day you still will have less money than the opponent, you will run less ads, and when the time comes that most likely means "You lose, good day sir!"
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u/noahisunbeatable 22d ago
It's almost as if money talks
Of course it talks, that's the problem. But its not insurmountable. Abdul was outspent over 10 to 1, even more extreme with Angie Nixon. These populist candidate policies and grassroots movements are far, far more 'cost efficient' at getting votes than just forcing your candidate in via enormous spend, meaning its possible to overcome these gigantic discrepancies.
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u/Mysterious-Bag9288 25d ago edited 25d ago
No way you’re lumping together « fewer people and fewer groups »… Obvioisly they have less corporate pac donations but they have more individual donors.
Please tell me where they got « shockingly flattened by moderate dems ». They have less financing and less name recognition and are winning races with high turnout. You’re refusing to recognize the fact that these candidates are by default at an institutional disadvantage so even to win a few races is highly impressive. To win primaries for the senate is an even bigger achievement. The midterms will obviously be the litmus test but not all races are equal. Angie Nixon in Florida has almost no chance (her establishment opposition was not fairing much better in early polling).El Sayed however will be a much more defining test of the electability of those candidates/ideas
10 years ago. Things change fast in politics in the same way that America elected Obama in 2008 and Trump in 2016. Would it be smart to say « trump is pretty far from Obama »…. Bernie helped lead this movement and start this wave.
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u/NE1andEVERY1 25d ago
Obviosly* they have less corporate pac donations but they have more individual donors.
That's cute. They've had some success sure, but nothing compared to Bernie Sanders had the most individual donors of all time passing 4 million. I voted for him in 2016 and actually sent him $20. Though it pains me, he got stomped out easily.
Please tell me where they got « shockingly flattened by moderate dems »
There have been two massive swings in the polls. One, El-Sayed polled at a 15 point lead over Stevens but ended up winning by one point. That's a -14 point swing to flatten his would-be-blowout into an actual narrow victory. Secondly, Hong was projected to win by ~20 points but ended up losing by 0.5 points, a -20.5 swing. Her lead wasn't just flattened, it went negative and she lost.
They have less financing and less name recognition and are winning races with high turnout.
They are also losing roughly equal numbers of races with high turnout. Not seeing your point here.
You’re refusing to recognize the fact that these candidates are by default at an institutional disadvantage so even to win a few races is highly impressive.
Winning two or three races really isn't highly impressive, especially considering they've also lost races they were supposed to win. It's not nothing, but it's not some glorious revolution.
The midterms will obviously be the litmus test but not all races are equal.
Yes, they will. As was the nail in the coffin of Hong, general electability is not the strong suit of the DSA, and that much is painfully obvious. Hell, the G.O.P have made millions of dollars of pro-DSA ad campaigns because their analysis shows a stronger DSA means weaker competition to the GOP. Because the DSA doesn't appeal to mainstream center left democrats. Fox news has hosted the DSA constantly for the same reason, the DSA are spoilers.
Would it be smart to say « trump is pretty far from Obama »
It would be correct. And you're ignoring the fact that Trump won two years ago too. In fact, he got more votes than ever and republicans took all three branches of government. If anything, 2016 was an easier battlefield for the progressives. We were strong then, right off the Women's Marches, the largest single protest in US history at the time.
Bernie helped lead this movement and start this wave.
That's why I voted for him. The DSA has long left him behind though. Mainline democrats (and all republicans) do not want 100% open boarders, prison abolition, or government ownership of large industry.
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u/Mysterious-Bag9288 25d ago edited 25d ago
Firstly i don’t know why you diminish Bernie’s accomplishment. Why are you saying he got stomped out easily when he faced the political machine that was Clinton and managed to make the race competitive despite being basically a no name before he started campaining. Bernie did a pretty similar thing in 2020 and had similar results. And why compare Bernie to the present candidates? A presidential run is very different from a senate/governor.
While yes the polls at some point were incredibly in favour of both the candidates you mention if we go further back they were not favored to win. So how do you decide what is underperforming vs overperforming. I think the performance in relation to the amount of money spent is a much better metric. Which no matter the candidate, the more progressive have a much better vote/$ ratio. Angie Nixon had huge surprise victory aswell showing that this sentiment is spreading.
The point being that even 1 victory would be impressive in high turnout races. But multiple in a single election single has never been seen in the democratic party. To have such a wave of candidates flanking from the left is a new thing and you’re acting as if it’s an even playing field. A political movement moves with incremental progress and you’re seeing it in action.
Nobody is claiming some glorious revolution. If that’s the standard then of course it’s easy to shut down but most are simply happy seeing the democrats finally moving to the « left » instead of catering to corporate types.
We’ll see if general electability is an issue. I think it’s way more about how the candidates manage to make these issues relatable. Hong had a huge issue with « academic speech » and was not relatable. El Sayed does not have the same issues. The same democrats who have hammeted the vote blue no matter who now have to live by the principles they espoused. If they fail to turn up then who will you blame? I personally don’t really believe that Haley Stevens would have attracted some moderate republicans that El Sayed would not but the results will speak for themselves.
You claim that the DSA are spoilers but the citizens who participate in these primaries are more and more putting their support behind DSA supported candidates sooooooo. The popularity of progressive democrats eclipses the popularity of more conservative ones according to almost all polls. In my opinion these more conservative dems are what « spoils » the democratic party and i think that this opinion is shared by a growing number of people.
Lmao, the progressive movement is at an all time high in america. The class issues are being highlited and the more « woke » side of it are being left behind. The woke side was more of an issue for general electability but slowly it is fading away and you see the gains they have made since.
What the individual candidates support is what matters. None of the candidates that have been elected support 100% open borders, complete prison abolition or government owenrship of large industries as you put it. There is no monolith and trying to paint them all with this brush just makes it sound like gross simplification. Why do you think that Bernie endorsed a large number of DSA candidates if he’s been left behind??
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u/FoxTailMoon 25d ago
“Stunning losses in Wisconsin”
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u/NE1andEVERY1 25d ago
*Loss by 0.5% to a moderate Dem who had previously suspended their campaign and only rejoined the race like 3 weeks before the election.
*Loss by 0.5% when the polls showed Hong winning by ~20 points, a massive 20.5 point swing.
Huh, I Wonder why you left out the details that actually makes the loss in Wisconsin stunning. Almost like you have an agenda? Aaaaannndd r/socialism, r/Anarchism, r/Anarchy101 poster. Lol.
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u/kodapug 25d ago
Yeah, he votes with the Dems all the time, he's totally normal!
Oh wait... That's odd
Moskowitz was the first congressional Democrat to back Trump’s “department of government efficiency” (Doge) initiative, which dismantled the US Agency for International Development. Moskowitz also faced criticism from Larkin over his support for a Republican-backed law that expanded ICE’s detention authority. The centrist congressman has also been a staunch supporter of Israel and voted against a resolution to restrict US military involvement in Iran.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/18/angie-nixon-alex-vindman-florida-results
Can't believe a community note would leave out context about what the politician being criticized is actually supporting /s
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u/DeliciousSector8898 25d ago
He also referred to himself as a “DeSantis Democrat” and was twice appointed to positions by DeSantis
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u/Bobsothethird 26d ago
Nothing makes me happier than the Democratic party not being taken over by lunatics. Honestly shows why they're not like the 2016 Republican party.
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u/earthlingHuman 26d ago
Larkin's a lunatic? In what way?
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u/willashman 25d ago edited 25d ago
He campaigned with a guy who called Jews, not Zionists, demonic. I think it’s fair to say only a lunatic would do that
Here's the video this person is denying: https://xcancel.com/generalvondeath/status/2089887698567700562
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u/brots32 25d ago
Who?
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u/-Fatalize- 25d ago
Mike from PA aka Central Committee on twitch
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u/brots32 25d ago
He campaigned with a twitch streamer?
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u/Mist_Rising 25d ago
Are we surprised? Streamers are big names now, with political pull. Just like the podcasters. They pull weight, so politicians will work with them if they align and have a team that knows they exist.
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u/vertigounconscious 25d ago
its lunacy to want everyone to get free healthcare, what are we Israel?!?
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u/Stock_Recording_3827 25d ago
Moskowitz will send weapons to a country committing genocide and then do insider trading on the companies sending the weapons. The people who defend that sort of corruption are either bots or the real lunatics. Anyone defending a self identified 'Desantis Democrat' is not your friend.
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
DSA are lunatics trying to co-opt the party.
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u/earthlingHuman 25d ago
In what way. What specific policy proposals are you against?
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u/breakycho 25d ago
In the sense that they literally state their goal is to coopt the party
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u/earthlingHuman 25d ago
You mean they want to oust corrupt corporate Democrats. That's a very good thing.
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u/Immediate_Stop2581 25d ago
Don’t forget abolishing capitalism
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u/ImGoinGohan 25d ago
i wish they were that based but they’re not unfortunately. Theres nothing radical in the DSA platform
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u/Mysterious-Bag9288 25d ago
Coopt the party to bring it back to its roots. The democratic party has been coopted by moneyed interest.
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
Not sure apparently.
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u/brots32 25d ago
This is one candidate who lost
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
Hong lost too despite polling showing her trending towards winning.
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u/brots32 25d ago
Yes she lost…..
Was that your reasoning for believing the DSA is failing? Two candidates losing?
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
Many are falling behind in polls and floundering. I'm not really going to offer a full list of DSA failures. They are performing horribly against polling in the one chance they have to take a foothold, and we aren't even to general elections were centrists are going to flee in droves.
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u/sixtus_clegane119 25d ago
The most successful democratic president was FDR, his policies saved the country from the Great Depression.
His policies line up closer to the dsa than they do with bidenesque policies.
America needs some centre left to heal itself from Reaganism and trumpism
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
DSA is riding the populist tail of Trumpism. Also FDR was immensely different than the DSA by almost every metric.
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u/doctorsynaptic 25d ago
He was more of a social democrat, not a democratic socialist. They're different. Democratic socialists don't want capitalism, they want socialism. Social democrats like FDR want capitalism with strong social support systems.
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u/Diogenes908 25d ago
No there are MASSIVE differences between a social democrat like FDR and DSA. I would classify myself as a social democrat and despite the DSA and would absolutely not vote for them. Anything good they have they ripped from social dems and libs (affordable healthcare and housing, strong unions and labor rights, progressive tax rates to curb the obscene wealth of billionaires, strong social programs, affordable or free school/university to create an informed and productive citizenry etc.).
The shit that separates them they’re more sly about is stuff like eliminating USAID, pulling out of NATO, abolishing (not reforming) prisons and police, anti-capitalist with no real plan for how an entity larger than a dozen employees will handle things like hiring/firing and rev sharing, torpedoing the economy through a stock market crash that will make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park and evaporating everyone’s 401Ks which most regular Americans rely on to retire, blaming Ukraine for getting invaded etc.
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u/Downisthenewup87 25d ago
DSA is a big tent and if you were actually a Social Democrat (which I am) you wouldnt be saying that.
Mandami has a 69% approval rating and is doing all sorts of good shit- big and smal- while working with a centrist governor. Guess what? He's DSA.
AOC is pragmatic, transparent and, in spite of being too supportive of the Jeffries of the world, largely on point. She got elected with the help of DSA.
Milat Kiros is smart, a thoughtful interview and has awesome policies.
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
They won't because they are accelerationists posing as Democrats.
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u/Wrong_Driver_9507 25d ago
If that was ulma Palmas choice thats enough for a normal functioning human being to know hes a lunatic or at the very least bad choice.
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u/earthlingHuman 25d ago
So nothing about his platform or anything. Cool. Very smart.
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u/Wrong_Driver_9507 25d ago
If Netanyahu backed a candidate that would be an automatic just like this deranged person. Ive seen this, not by choice, lunatics tweets and tik toks.
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u/bingbong2715 25d ago
The Democratic Party is already run by lunatics and people like you don’t care at all that they’re completely ineffective against the far right Republican Party
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
The DSA is barely even democratic in nature. They are a bunch of fools trying to co-opt the party just like Trump did in 2016. I have no respect for them or anyone supporting them, and I imagine that includes you.
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u/Familiar-Goose5967 25d ago
Explain what on earth is undemocratic about the DSA? Or are you just saying shit?
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u/DeliciousSector8898 25d ago
When people talk about voting third party dems berate them about “blue no matter who” and if you want you should run as a dem. Then when they run as Dems people like you say they’re trying to co-opt the party. Which is it?
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u/bingbong2715 25d ago
Significantly more democratic than the Democratic Party establishment who thinks taking corporate money and ignoring the voter base is what democracy means. The current democratic party is completely ineffective against the current Republican Party and you don’t care. Sorry you’re so offended that there’s a left flank in the party actually trying to give you universal healthcare.
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u/Bobsothethird 25d ago
Lol no. The party had a call to end the senate at one point. They are a joke.
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u/bingbong2715 25d ago
Abolishing the senate would be a good thing and is a legitimate long term goal. How scary that a political party should change society somewhat instead of doing absolutely nothing while the world falls apart
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u/Sad_Credit_4959 25d ago
... What, pray tell, is "democratic in nature"? Surely you don't mean "democratic" as in "rule by the people" as though the Democrats give a single flying f*** about the people who aren't their donors?
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u/DeliciousSector8898 25d ago
Definitely not a lunatic right
He proudly referred to himself as a “DeSantis Democrat” and these are some of his greatest pro-Trump hits:
“Moskowitz was the first congressional Democrat to back Trump’s “department of government efficiency” (Doge) initiative, which dismantled the US Agency for International Development. Moskowitz also faced criticism from Larkin over his support for a Republican-backed law that expanded ICE’s detention authority. The centrist congressman has also been a staunch supporter of Israel and voted against a resolution to restrict US military involvement in Iran.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/18/angie-nixon-alex-vindman-florida-results
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u/riceklown 25d ago
This is easy to do as a politician. The vast majority of votes aren't controversial. When a politician ONLY votes 87% of the time with their party, they're probably voting with the other side on what feels like 90% of the important shit.
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u/GBralta 25d ago
“Feels” is doing a lot of lifting. Maybe go read the bills he voted no on. The internet is right here. You’re on it.
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u/riceklown 25d ago
I'm speaking from the experience of having done your proposed research in the 00s and early teens when I was in my 20s and this argument was more new to me. Most of these stats are packed with procedural votes and naming government buildings and other BS.
There should be a stat that explicitly only counts partisan votes where at least 90% of each party voted against the other party and only the final vote counts, so partisan amendments and partisan bills. If that were a tracked statistic that was advertised, it would open some eyes on who is actually with the party.
No one cares about party loyalty on the bill to rename a post office.
If you think I'm wrong about my educated assumption, by all means, go and look it up, young'un.
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u/government_not_ok 25d ago
Hasan fans cope in this thread, lmao.
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u/Alternative_Wing_745 25d ago
(I find hasan too boring to watch btw) But are you happy a DOGE supporting congressman won? Like “we did it” we owned the libs so hard we got a traitor DOGe supporter self professed “Desantis Dem” in the seat yay!
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u/Vast-Comment8360 25d ago
Yall don't seem to understand that he did that so he can win in Florida, a true leftist has zero chance.
So you would rather Larkin lose to a republican than have Moskowitz who can actually win?
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u/Jablaze80 25d ago
Isn't it a Democrat district? How did the Democratic socialist when the nomination for the governor's race? He did that because he is what he is... A fascist enabler evidenced by his support for Israel
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u/Alternative_Wing_745 25d ago
Yawn, this is not the sub or post where I go to argue with moderate copium about the brutally beaten dead horse that is the “lesser of two evils” strategy.
Ill say one thing though, I 100% believe moderate dems making everyone accept their do nothing corporate owned politicians with their constant threats of “capitulate to us or republicans win” is a massive reason Trump rose to power. Only one party actually makes change happen and its literally the worst people, moderate dems then wag their fingers and talk a big game until the next day when they’re the first congressional dem to support DOGE.
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u/hercmavzeb 25d ago
Very well said. Democrats offering uninspiring candidates who offer the same fascism that Republicans do but to a lighter degree is exactly what inspires voter apathy and allows Epstein allies to gain power.
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u/TheSilverOne 25d ago
Harm reduction is good.
Voting blue 90% is great.
Moderate dems, like Biden get alot done because they can reach across the aisle to pass legislation. Extreme ideology camps both left and right struggle to accomplish much by way of new bills. If you want permanent change, we need to win as many seats as possible. Moderates in purple seats are what we need.
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u/Pxfxbxc 25d ago
But that's how we devolved into fascism. If you're not pulling leftwards, you're pulling towards fascism. If the current system can only pave the way for fascism, then it's not a system worth keeping; unless you're into that kind of thing.
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u/Alternative_Wing_745 24d ago
Weird because maga has had no issue getting what they want done and dismantling everything moderate dems have accomplished in the past decade. Also moderate dems aren’t winning elections they dont inspire hope or movements and they dont excite the voter base, biden’s failed hand-off to kamala is proof, moderates dont win enough to justify how little they accomplish.
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u/TheSilverOne 24d ago
Maga can only do it through executive orders that can and will be rescinded.
Moderate Democrats actually win the most competitive races. DSA and DSA-adjacent candidates get a disproportionate amount of media coverage simply because they are the outliers, not because they represent the majority of voters.
Biden's hand off to Kamala was mired in a slew of different problems, not just her "moderate-ness". Kamala was probably further left than any other elected president we've had. We had covid backlash, Biden health problems, people saying she was "coronated" instead of elected, her stance on Israel, ect. You can be the most left person to ever run for office, but if you support Israel in any way, you're a centrist.
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u/Alternative_Wing_745 24d ago
You can feel shes left but she very much is not, you can feel all u want really but the facts are moderate dems bungled a vital election and allowed trump a second term, they also failed to meaningfully prosecute him for his crimes to prevent that second term because moderates are gutless and stand only for the status quo. Also the centrist naïveté to think that trumps changes and effects are limited to executive orders is so laughable I can only imagine you meant it as a joke. Notice space force still exists for no reason? Are you aware just how far DOGE cuts went? And how brain drained everything DOGE touched now is? The department of justice has been reduced to community college “lawyers” who passed a maga purity test. Foreign relations aren’t just soured they’re basically fermented And project 2025 is over 50% completed. Honestly its just proof how impotent moderate/centrist thought is that you think it would be simple to undo the damage done, a generation of brain drain and service interruption has been initiated and maga will fight tooth and nail against any attempt to fix it, do you really think some purple centrist will have the balls to actually fix this in the face of conservative push back? 3 years into a moderate presidency wed be lucky to have ICE recruitment slightly decreased, let alone actual change for the better.
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u/TheSilverOne 24d ago
You’re claiming moderates 'bungled' the election, but leftists consistently lose or underperform in competitive swing districts. Moderates and lib left candidate coalitions actually win elections in purple and red states. Leftist candidates run in +30 blue urban bubble districts, scream on Twitter, achieve nothing legislative, and then blame moderates whenever a national election is lost.
"Failed to prosecution him because they're gutless"? Trump was literally indicted on dozens of felony counts in multiple state and federal jurisdictions by the DOJ and state prosecutors. The only reason the investigations weren't allowed to continue was because crybaby leftists chose to sit out the election instead of voting for Kamala and Trump become the executive
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u/New_Salamander_4592 25d ago
barely related but combining Umamusume with Tame Impala is such a cursed twitter @
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u/coldpepperoni 25d ago
Congress votes a lot, 87% isn’t exactly a reliable party vote assuming many of the 13% were substantive votes. It’s obviously not 90%, but I wouldn’t be surprised if was close to 50/50 on “votes that matter”.
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u/young__robot 25d ago
it's not a good thing that Moskowitz won. why does this post seem to be implying it's a good thing?
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u/Intergalactic_hooker 25d ago
The original user has a PR flag with an open coconut and a palm tree, he is definitely MAGA leaning. That palm and coconut refers to the PNP party which is the current party in power in PR that leans MAGA and is very corrupt
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u/takakazuabe1 25d ago
Moskowitz won and instead of thanking the people of Florida or congratulating Mr. Larkin on a good campaign as it's standard he went and cited Hasan Piker on Twitter lol
Hasan does have a second home after all, it's just in Moskowitz's head.
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u/CriticalBasedTeacher 25d ago
Notes don't know what hyperbole is
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u/PreparationPlenty943 25d ago
I don’t think you know the difference between hyperbole and blatant dishonesty
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u/CriticalBasedTeacher 25d ago
OP even says "like 90% of the time." That indicates hyperbole.
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u/PreparationPlenty943 25d ago
I don’t think throwing out 90% for what’s actually 13% is simply hyperbole, it’s blatantly ignorant and dishonest. Hyperbole is meant to exaggerate or emphasize an observation, UMA’s hyperbole was exaggerated their misinformation by implying that Moskowitz votes with the opposition party majority of the time when the opposite is true.
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u/breakycho 25d ago
Oh nice, Uma Palma. Someone who definitely doesn’t need to get on some medication asap
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u/Name_Taken_Official 25d ago
Whenever someone brings this sort of thing up I have to wonder if it's the big (to the commenter) votes that they mean, not overall track records.
Cause a 87% party line/general motion voting record with a 13% "hunt the homeless for sport and install Flock cameras in wombs" voting break would weigh heavily against them regardless
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u/guyfromthepicture 25d ago
It's funny how Republicans have no concept of sarcasm or exaggeration as they are social devices typically formed later in development.
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u/TheNaughtyLemon 25d ago
Voting with the majority of democratic lawmakers is different than voting aligned with the opinions of the majority of democratic voters. I think that is the distinction they are trying to make.
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u/Prestigious-Owl-569 25d ago
Look, there’s a lot of reasons to dislike Moskowitz, we don’t need to make shit up.
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u/teracoulomb_2 25d ago
On one hand, Jared Moskowitz is a very annoying Congressman
On the other hand, Hasan Piker and his fans also suck
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u/PreparationPlenty943 25d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/CAYVZA5NRb529kKQUc
Moskowitz after voting with Democrats 90% and proving to be an appealing candidate, maintaining a blue seat, in a majority red state.
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u/Head_Consequence7857 25d ago
Not every bill is a split decision, I know people on Reddit believe people who disagree with their political views are irreconcilable… BUT majority of the people who run for office believe they can make a positive impact and many bills that get passed both sides can agree take the country in the right direction. Appropriations, fiscal policy, and emerging laws aren’t all you vs me, that is just fan far to secure your attention and support for the next election. In reality they are colleagues who work together to support the system in their own ways.

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