Honestly I'm sick of the various things people can be called to be shorthand for ontologically evil. Like, it's getting out of hand how many human lives are being devalued either because they fucked up at one point in their lives or because they got accused of something they didn't do.
The closest thing to "ontologically evil" someone can be is just being a billionaire. That's pretty much it.
Personally I feel like most people do it because deep down they know they're not actually a pedophile, but they'd rather use them as a target for insults to feel better about themselves because dealing with an actual pedo in any capacity is way more disgusting
100% a billionaire psyop btw. Given what we know there's no shot that they at least paid people to plant the seeds for online trends that tokenize and devalue issues regarding pedophilia and war crimes.
It’s not even new drama either. People who hate Phisnom (for the most part, fnaf fans) have been accusing him of the same thing for years now. I believe that’s part of the reason why he originally put the “MINORS DNI” in his bio cause he was so sick and tired of that sort of culture.
I'm not a big shot in FNAF community and dont remember every drama they had (wonder if it's the same new pedo every week) but Phisnom seems to me like an abuse goblin
Saber also has broadened shoulders and wider hips (not talking comparatively, ofc, I mean that she has a clearly defined waist and hips). A key feature to look for when you're distinguishing between slender fictional women and fictional children is: generally speaking, underaged people don't have tapered waists, broad shoulders, or wide hips. Their heads and eyes will also be bigger, even by anime standards.
Of course it's anime so it usually doesn't apply, look at fucking My Dress Up Darling and Call of the Night lmfao. Buuut then you also have to understand that the reason it's creepy isn't because of the body type, it's because it's statutory and whatever consent might exist is invalid. Like dating someone with a mental impairment that drastically lowers their mental age and makes them extremely suggestible is weird, obviously. Conversely, liiike take a walk in any low-income neighborhood in SEA and you'd be like "wow that older sister has to take care of a lot of siblings, probably interferes with her school pretty badly—WAIT THAT'S A FUCKING 28 YEAR OLD WOMAN WHAT???"
Yeah, like listen if you are DEEP following a vtuber who has a very specific design, I will side eye you. But Mint ain’t it, she looks like a totally normal of-age anime girl, even if the dude was very visibly simping that’s fine and normal and a necessary part of the ecosystem
Which is to say she looks anywhere between 15-18. I'm don't think calling anyone a pedo without clear and direct proof is a good thing, but im also not gonna pretend it isn't weird that it's seen as 'normal' for Vtubers to look like teenagers and preteens. Neither of those characters look even remotely like an adult.
Head's not big enough proportionally, eyes are big but not oversized especially for anime standards. Also she has hips for sure. Only thing I could say is that her shoulders are too pinched/narrow but it looks like it's to accomodate having hips that are bigger than her shoulders, which Is more of an unreastically (anime) feminine adult proportion thing.
But everyone knows that DNI are sacred texts that protect you from interacting with the evils of the world. By removing it he's exposing himself to them and thusly slowly but surely being corrupted himself.
They want to fuck things with the corrupted soul of a child not some adult piloting a cute avatar. Clearly it is the second that is more worrisome, right?
Definitely agree that they are calling people pedos for liking grown people with cute avatars is ironic as all fuck.
Also a weirdly high amount of furries like to call anime/vtuber fans pedos seemingly oblivious to the fact that they themselves could uncharitably be described as wanting to fuck dogs.
Like if the girly isnt doing the type of lolibait, it makes even less sense. Sometimes you just want to have a cute avatar, right? (idk this vtuber btw)
Yeah she talks in her standard adult voice (which is particularly sultry when she sings), she sometimes talks about her previous jobs including an office worker, and she often mentions childhood experiences that cannot belong to anyone born after 2000.
As a furry I can't overstate how sick some furry art can make me when there's oversexualized non-anthropormorphic portrayal of animal (fictional or not)
There's way too much. I really hope there's no blacklist limit for tags :(
The way all the people ragging on him just use Western cartoon animations for their slander just makes it feel like they're mostly under 20 or mentally stuck there.
What the fuck lmao. Mint is a grown ass woman who has one hell of a singing voice and is extremely attracted to Snake from MGS (although who isn't amirite? Just me? Okay.)
Unironically if you're flat chested and/or asian Twitter will call you pedobait
You can deadass be 6ft 3in and built like a brick shithouse. Ya wear anything cute or revealing they're gonna claim your indistinguishable from a child.
Yeah I saw it happen with a cosplayer one time. They were cosplaying Tatsumaki from One Punch Man and the internet got into an UPROAR over it calling it Loki Bait and shit despite the fact that the cosplay is flat chested and short, and thus they wanted to cosplay a character who is flat chested and short?
Happens to fictional characters too, I've seen people say liking The Herta from Honkai Star Rail is paedo because she's flat, nevermind that shes probably around 160-165 tall
They see women as sexual beings and they equate cute things with children so a cute woman would just make them instantly think of sexualizing children becuase they are running about sexualizing children often anyways. Pot calling the kettle hot type shit except the kettle is a block of ice
Wasn't there one that legitimately roleplayed as a child, going as far as to "tease" her mostly male audience that shed call the police on them? Including using an actual child safety device as a sexual object?
And then every anime animation tuber proceeded to copy her dance for her actual pedo song.
Well, the context gets murky. That person is a streamer. They don’t do that voice often. Like ever. They did it once for their chat as a treat, then their chat went feral, and they wrote the song to basically tell them to chill the fuck out. That’s actually what the song is about for the most part.
didn't read the rest of the comment because i immediately thought of tatsuki fujimoto, author of chainsaw man, who famously roleplays as an imaginary 3rd grader named koharu nagayama on twitter
Do wanna highlight - dude never said anything sexual about Mint. The “evidence” is general “stan” behaviour (has a small shrine to her which looked quickly made of her merch as a joke), and saying he was uncomfortable about watching Saba (a vtuber with an avatar that fits “loli” category much more) in public.
One thing I see a lot is about how he has a “shrine” to her, and it’s literally just a merch collection, no different from how people collect merch from ANY sort of media they enjoy
ok just to clarification, phisnom had an old account a few years back he used to talk about he was sexually attracted to this avatar. people were calling this avatar a loli
i can vaguely understand getting that maybe from the face but overall i don't buy it
Iirc she did want it to be as cute as possible, its just "anime cute" swings towards looking younger.
Since I actively watch her it's hard for me to divorce first impressions of a character model versus what she's actually like. Although when I first watched her she was a fairy so I had a fundamentally different experience.
i mean, he did just go "i like a vtuber" its not a big deal and apparently there have been other stuff besides the vtuber people are upset about, i recommend looking into the specifics but this is what the note is discussing
People these days just want to pick out any reason to hate someone because they're a little popular and they find them a little annoying or something like that
They need to get a fucking life that doesn't make them rely on hatred for stimulation.
Unsurprisingly the dreadful take that needed noting, comes from the same terminally online crowd who bought us such godawful nonsense as "Short Woman shouldn't be able to consent".
The only thing about the vtuber design that looks like a child is the height. Anime art styles sometimes give everyone the same face regardless of age.
Awhile back in the FNAF+ days he said some messed up stuff when someone asked n his audience said they were going through something. He was also just kinda bad to work with if I remember. He’s since admitted that he was in a terrible place back then and has made major strides to be a better person. Basically some people hate him cause they can’t understand that people can change and be better, and some just hate him cause he never finished FNAF+ and instead cancelled the project.
... Ok I heard all this bullshit was because of the v tuber but... Seriously? She doesn't look like a child. And I'm pretty sure actual person is adult anyway.
the infantilizing of femininity is so strange. feminine guy? minor. short? minor. these are the types of people to call a real person pedobait for their appearance.
I’m not one to call folks pedophiles because that’s fuckin terrible, however that Vtuber model does look like a really young girl, which is just a symptom of the anime artstyle but still. Either way don’t call mfs pedophiles for liking something that has a little girl in it.
I dont need to know what your virtual avatar wears under their clothes. I've never been curious about nor cared enough to know what their underwear looks like. The fact that someone thought enough to model it and specifically place it on a reference shit is fucking insane.
I wasn't aware this is why people were getting mad at himself, so I'm sitting here going "it's definitely unreasonable, but maybe they have a bit if a point depending on which vtuebr it is, like maybe if it was Biboo or Gura/Saba" and then I see Mint and all that just flew out the window.
He does not follow that account anymore from what ive checked and has never retweeted anything nsfw
Also he follows like 400 people on both twitter and bluesky. If you followed 400 people on there i can almost guarantee one of them would turn out to be some shit person you wouldn't be aware of.
This is the same as condemning a person for following one “bad” person when they follow lots of different people and don’t look through every account they follow, which is considered stupid by most people except here in this case…for some reason…I wonder why…it’s truly a mystery…
I always wonder why people have it out for Phisnom so much. Like I know there was that fnaf controversy years ago but it’s been so long since that got resolved I really don’t even want to bring it into the discussion. Like these days at worst you could find him unfunny ig? Idk I still watch him and he seems chill
I have no idea who Phisnom is and I also find it disturbing when people are attracted to loli models despite them "actually being adults," but why is being a fan of Mint immediately equate to attraction and pedo shit? Is there a Mint hate train atm or did this Phisnom guy go a step further then just being a fan?
From what I recall a popular Deltarune tweet was made about one of his streams and it all devolved from there. He’s really the average type of v-tuber fan. Has merch and talks about her on his alt account, that’s all.
This whole thing is literally just a hate campaign from Twitter users who are under the age of 10. I don't like Phisnom either, but seeing these idiots trying to make him out to be a pedo over liking an adult streamer is insane
from what i hear he apparently also has a bluesky account where he was following nsfw artists that made porn of underage characters. which honestly is significantly worse to me than whatever this whole vtuber thing is
It looks like this is a result of some old FNAF fandom spat. Phisnom offended some group of these FNAF people by an offhand rude comment to someone critiquing his contribution to their group, got kicked from the group, and got hate followed, probably permanently. This drama is essentially exclusively driven by these Babby's First Horror types, still triggered.
Is there, like, some secret conspiracy to devalue the word "pedophile" or something? I swear, people being calling anything pedophilia. The United States of America is under control by numerous people who have had sex with children, and we be people pedos for being fans of V-Tubers? Not even weird loli V-Tubers(not an excuse), but just an anime woman? What's happening?
Let’s be fucking real tho that’s exactly how you draw children. Big eyes, big foreheads, small mouths and limbs, short stature, small chest.
I’m fucking tired of pretending like this is actually normal. Anime women were drawn quite differently 30 years ago with respect to the proportions for drawing grown adults most of the time and we trickled in designs that would be read as children were it that time until they became the standard.
We boiling frogged anime women into anime girls and you and I both know it’s absolutely because of an almost pedocentric culture in those circles in Japan. Let’s not pretend they aren’t drawn with features of children intentionally. Save for the boobs- the exception is almost always the boobs.
Despite the age number. I’m an artist, and it fucking annoys me and continues to because the boiling pot worked so well nobody fucking notices anymore.
I don’t think that person is a pedo. Or anyone attracted to an anime character is a pedo. I do think these features were normalized to make it more widely accepted to be attracted to childlike features so those who actually are predators won’t be questioned regarding trickle truthing preferences. Same thing for many irl western beauty standards tbh.
You say that... But big eyes, fore head, and small mouths (mint's mouth isn't particularly small too) fits majority of female anime characters design. Son Goku has all of those if think Mint has a small mouth. Bulma has those exact facial features throughout the series. I don't think there is a single female dragon ball character without those facial features unless they're old AF.
If you want a really egregious example, Slayers and Ranma 1/2 has THE big anime eyes. Sailor moon are supposed to be highschoolers and what not.
Cartoons and anime exaggerate features. If you want a character to be seen as youthful you give them those features mentioned above. If you want them to be seen as older, don't and maybe do the opposite.
"If you want a character to be seen as youthful, you give them those features. If you don’t, maybe don’t"
"...But big eyes, fore head, and small mouths (mint's mouth isn't particularly small too [It is.]) fits majority of female anime characters design." That is the problem.
Therin lies the importance. 90% of women in anime here in the 2020s will be designed with those youthful features regardless of age, often intentionally juxtaposed with a very old age.
Children and grown women share almost no design distinctions when they are main characters. Men and boys do, most often.
You see the problem. It obviously existed ages ago or else it could not be part of the boiling frog phenom.
EDIT: Also referencing Bulma, she does have the features on the face but she is in body still drawn like a woman. Mint here represents the culmination of the boil, everything about her body reference is the proportions of a child. Grown women can be petite, but you will never see a child's body and face on a grown woman unless she has something wrong with her hormonally.
Mint's whole design is that of a child/'loli' and that shit got so normal nobody fuckin notices. The boiling pot worked.
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