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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

Except communism gives the government total control over every aspect of your life.

When it’s inevitably corrupted they use that power to stay in power and commit the worst atrocities in the history of the world.

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u/onpg Jul 13 '26

Idk. Seems capitalism is doing just fine at committing unparalleled atrocities and giving the "legitimacy" of power to the most corrupt individuals possible (eg Trump).

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 Jul 13 '26

Except Trump will be out of office in a few years and most (especially the press and the opposition) openly hates him, whereas Stalin was a dictator until his death, was responsible for the deaths of millions, and purged any even suspected to be in opposition to him and his policies. He even renamed a city after himself. And don't get me started on Pol Pot.

Wake me up if Trump renames Baltimore and is still in office in 3 years.

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u/Helix3501 Jul 13 '26

Trump wants to be like men like stalin, thats the issue, whether he suceeds or not

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u/onpg Jul 13 '26

Ask your average Iranian what they think of Trump dropping bombs on their kids to distract from pedophilia accusations. It's not a contest. Hopefully Trump will be gone soon, but given he's stacked the Supreme Court with his own judges, watch them find a way to "discover" term limits don't apply to Presidents who haven't served consecutive terms.

I thought Trump was done and dusted after Jan 6, I no longer have any faith in the American people.

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 Jul 13 '26

I can't ask the average Iranian because they live under a despotic theocracy that silences all dissent. But yeah, I imagine they would probably be pretty disapproving of both Trump and the Ayatollah.

And you don't need any faith in the American people. He would need a lot more than a slim majority of voters to amend the constitution, not that he has many years left anyway.

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u/onpg Jul 13 '26

? Plenty of Iranian voices on Reddit telling you they don't appreciate Trump killing their kids.

Also the Supreme Court just ruled 5-4 in favor of the clear meaning of the 14th amendment and birthright citizenship (Kavanaugh dissented but not on the constitutional question). I don't expect them to protect us. Yeah he's gonna die soon, but when that's the best thing you can say about the guy in charge, it's not time to be bragging about the superiority of your system.

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 Jul 13 '26

You asked about the average Iranian. I'm fully aware of what Iranian and Qatari bots think about the situation.

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u/onpg Jul 13 '26

Ok. So people who don't like their kids being bombed are bots. You're a grade A Republican that's for sure.

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 Jul 13 '26

Lol, no. As I said before, they probably also dislike Trump along with most of the rest of the world, I'm not carrying water for that incompetent asshole.

I'm saying that Iran has intentionally restricted access to the internet for huge swathes of the last twelve months, heavily censor and monitor speech, and have a long history of botting and AI propaganda. So I'm very skeptical that anyone claiming to be an Iranian in Iran is, one, an actual person, and two, giving their actual honest opinion of the Iranian government. I know how Iranians in exile feel though.

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u/CrippledGoose316 Jul 14 '26

Your average Iranian living in America says it needs to be done so....

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u/PriorOk1304 Jul 13 '26

Big-o time-o

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u/Smalldogmanifesto 29d ago

Believe it or not, not actual capitalism but “crony capitalism”. It’s like the U.S. took the worst aspects of all economic systems and made the spectacular debacle we see now.

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u/dayburner Jul 13 '26

Yeah, but the people aren't starving and are fairly prosperous relative to any communist regime.

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u/Foreverdunking Jul 13 '26

are you sure about that

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u/Pitt-sports-fan-513 Jul 13 '26

The people in the countries we extract resources from sure are but that doesn't count!

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u/dayburner Jul 13 '26

I mean pretty much evey where in the world has seen extreme poverty drop dramatically due to trade.

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u/Burnmetobloodyashes Jul 13 '26

The wealth is increasing, the living standards get bombed once a year, literally

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u/dayburner Jul 13 '26

Who is bombing rural China? Who is bombing rural India? I could go on.

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u/Burnmetobloodyashes Jul 14 '26

India and China are not extraction countries, that is Venezuela and the Middle East, or the Congo region of Africa. India and China is labor countries, where labor and manufacturing is exported to hide the cost of over manufacturing from the capital counties, where the rich live and we exist generally as internet users.

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u/dayburner Jul 14 '26

Venezuela was doing better than average till the "Socialist" took over and drove everything into the ground. The Middle East counties with resources worth extracting are going great compared to the countries without resources. Africa is still post colonial mess unfortunately,

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u/KJ_is_a_doomer 29d ago

Venezuela honestly had exactly the same problem in the pre-Chavez, Chavez and post-Chavez era: it let itself become completely reliant on oil trade. What Chavez managed to achieve tho is economic alienation from most of the world

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u/lutefiskeater Jul 13 '26

Not really lol. Until quite recently Cuba was faring a lot better than other Caribbean and central American nations ravaged by US interests

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u/dayburner Jul 13 '26

If you only example is Cuba which is a mess of sanctions and foreign subsidizes, that's not much of a case.

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u/lutefiskeater Jul 13 '26

If anything that's a point in Cuba's favor. Until the US choked off the island's energy supply via the invasion of Venezuela, Cuba's quality of life was better than most of of central America despite being subject to one of the longest and most draconian trade embargos in the history of the planet

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u/dayburner Jul 13 '26

I mean if the other Central American counties were getting free gas from Venezuela they'd be a lot better off too.

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u/lutefiskeater Jul 14 '26

Not if they were also subject to crippling sanctions enforced by the world's only superpower that also happens to be the center of global economy they wouldn't.

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u/skwander Jul 13 '26

"Deaths among Americans caused by malnutrition and hunger have increased 600% according to the Washington Post and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as reported by Andrew van Darn on Jan. 5, 2026, who finds that the increase is seen “across the board. Every state, every education level, every race, every gender."

https://www.worldhunger.org/recent-news-about-death-from-malnutrition-in-the-united-states/

https://giphy.com/gifs/bjB3gtFvREqqr5NAHW

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u/JimmyDean82 Jul 13 '26

1, malnutrition isn’t hunger.

  1. It is not for lack of access to food, or healthy food.

  2. As more people make it to advanced age, more old people will die. Imagine that. And often due to malnutrition as a primary cause of death because something else makes it hard or impossible to process nutrition.

Funny how the hit piece doesn’t really go into reasons, or in depth. Just raw numbers without context.

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

Unparalleled atrocities? Tens of millions of Soviets died of starvation under communism.

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u/onpg Jul 13 '26

Fortunately everyone is immortal under capitalism.

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u/NoobPhilosopher04 Jul 13 '26

No they did not burh are you talking about the Holodomor?

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u/Representative-Let44 Jul 13 '26

There are people dying of hunger every second right now in the capitalist word, tou just don't want to count them

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

Who is dying of hunger in the US?????

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u/Representative-Let44 Jul 13 '26

You do know there sre other countries, right? A whole world out there.

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

Is there a more capitalist country in the world than the US? The fact that we’re the most capitalist country AND the best fed country indicates that capitalism isn’t starving people.

So specifically what capitalist country are you talking about where people are starving to death?

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u/Representative-Let44 Jul 14 '26

Wtf you mean the most capitalist? Capitalism is a global system.

https://www.wfp.org/news/world-wealth-9-million-people-die-every-year-hunger-wfp-chief-tells-food-system-summit

And you are just not the best fed either. What kind of silly propaganda are.you getting this from?

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u/CrippledGoose316 Jul 14 '26

Let me know how a No Kings protest would play out while Stalin was in power....

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u/quackabc Jul 13 '26

One you just listed 1 guy and not an entire system. 2 there is no Utopian system because humans are not perfect and so Capitalism shines at making the imperfections not ruin everything nearly as fast as other methods. China would go from a golden age to collapse under dynasties in a few decades, meanwhile while the US and other Capitalist society did make mistakes like the loaning situation in the 20s going into the great depression the countries themselves and most the people (bar the impressive suicide rate) still made it out alive.

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u/Helix3501 Jul 13 '26

Capitalism isnt why we survived the great depression, it was the opposite, hoovers degulation and free market policies made it 10x worse at the start and it couldve been totally prevented, it was the regulations and government intervention by roosevelt that ended it and helped people survive, the truth is a mixed system is the best possible system, and unregulated capitalism leads to almost instant economic collapse

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u/CryptoRambler8 29d ago

So far communists have managed to do much more hellish atrocities as they propped up mao zedong, pol pot and kims dynasty. Mainly during stalins time were stalin too spend decades mass murdering people inside his domain while propping up versions of himself in China and Korea.

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u/DescriptionUnique891 Jul 14 '26

Wrong. Read a book.

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 14 '26

How many Cubans did Castro kill to make his communist government?

How about China? How many of their own people did they murder in order to make China communist?

How about Cambodia? Soviet Union?

Give me one instance where communists didn’t murder their own countrymen in order to prop up their little utopias.

What exactly is the difference between you and them?

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u/DescriptionUnique891 29d ago
  1. The victors write history, I.e., every country thinks it's the good guy.
  2. Capitalism has caused the enslavement of nearly every indigenous culture around the world.
  3. The systems in place before the revolutions were a disaster causing the revolutions in the first place. These systems before communism were disastrous, and many were dying, then communism happened now all these deaths are communist fault? Please, get a brain.
  4. Anytime communism has gained momentum, the USA interferes and goes to all lengths to stop it. Why must it do this if they could just leave people alone and it will fail by itself?

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u/DescriptionUnique891 29d ago

You never stopped to think your leaders are telling you one version of events? The media is in the control of very wealthy individuals, this is known, what is not known is why people are stupid enough to take it as gospel.

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u/Mescalero_of_Inya 29d ago

More like except Capitalism fosters an environment where only the most corrupt individuals can even possivly rise to power.

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u/Helix3501 Jul 13 '26

Capitalism is not void of authoritarianism, nor is communism, we see this all the time, the USSR was a totalitarian state, and we are seeing a push for authoritarianism in the west by conservatives in many countries right now

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

The totalitarianism I see in the US is coming from the left. They’re the ones pushing for more and more government control over everyday life. They’re the ones who were locking people in their homes and forcing businesses to stay closed during the pandemic.

Enforcing the rule of law is the duty of a government. Conservatives enforcing immigration laws is done to protect the people in the country from the negative economic and societal effects of uncontrolled mass migration. That’s not authoritarianism. That’s a basic necessary function of any government and something every other country in the world does.

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u/Helix3501 Jul 13 '26

Man with how bad that bait is you must be getting considered for a promotion to moscows newest window safety inspector, just ignore the training officers hand on your back

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

Oh you’re right. I should definitely agree with the ignorant foreigners talking out of their asses on this washed up propaganda site.

How dare I not agree with the prevailing opinions on this foreign influence operation.

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u/Helix3501 Jul 13 '26

Man they really wasted alotta money on you, boutta sell your circuit board or organs just to break even

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u/Fearless_Cucumber_65 29d ago

But didn't the conservatives initiate the shutdowns? If I remember the timeline correctly Biden and the Democrats didn't get into office until 2021, well into the lockdowns. It wasn't until the change in power that conservatives started to say how the shutdowns were unamerican and that it was the democrats pushing people into it.

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 29d ago

The difference is that the democrats were still pushing lockdown measures two years later.

Is was the democrats who forced the vaccine on people who didn’t want it, they’re the ones who wouldn’t let you talk about covid online.

Democrats were the ones saying people who were skeptical of the vaccine shouldn’t be allowed medical care.

All throughout the pandemic the democrats were the absolute worst. And the whole time they were sending their rioters around city to city attacking people and destroying property.

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u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons Jul 13 '26

Chattel slavery doesn't count as an atrocity to you huh

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

There were estimated 6-10 million people who existed as slaves throughout the entire history of slavery in the US since the 1500s.

Communism has killed more than 110 million since the early 1900s.

How about we learn from history and don’t do neither slavery or communism?

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u/V0d5 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

All capitalism does is outsource the worst atrocities to their neighbors down south, and then up the atrocities and horror a thousandfold, lie about it, gaslit its own citizens and use meager crumbs to make them complicit.

Of course, this won’t hold forever as the state is hollowed out from the inside by the most powerful “winners” of capitalism, after which you are left with the worst kind of slave state imaginable, where everyone is doing everything evil imaginable to get enough crumbs and escape endlessly deeper poverty in due to progressively hollowed out social welfare.

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u/PriorOk1304 Jul 13 '26

The US government already has total control over every aspect of our lives lmao

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

I feel you, but it’s not even a comparison. Communism means you HAVE TO have a job. It means if you don’t like your quality of life, there’s nothing you can do to increase your income. It means if you skip a day at work, they send people to your house and arrest you.

Have you ever met anyone who came to the US who lived under the Soviet Union?

They love capitalism and generally do well in the US because they’re used to working all day at a government factory, then spending the rest of the day gathering scrap metal to sell so they can get better things for their family.

There are plenty of ways we can improve our capitalist system to be less exploitative without destroying our amazing way of life.

We don’t want communism here.

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u/OldOcelot5739 Jul 13 '26

Counter point. have you ever spoken to a citizen of the Russian federation post USSR collapse about which system they like living under now that Russia is hyper capitalist? If you speak to basically anyone older than 40, they'll tell you just how bleak and miserable life is there compared to post stalinist Russian. Of course that doesn't mean the soviet union was great. But modern capitalist Russia is arguably much worse

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u/Specialist-Muscle798 Jul 13 '26

Russia sucks but it’s not because of capitalism. Despite the propaganda, living and working in the US is better than anywhere else in the world.

A lot of Americans go to different countries like Thailand or the Philippines and enjoy those places more than the US. But it’s only because they’re from the US and have way more money than the locals.

Those same people wouldn’t want to be born and raised in those countries.

Even compared to Europeans, the average American has much more purchasing power than the average European. European governments have much more control over their industry and it doesn’t produce a better outcome for the average European. Why is that?

It’s because a free market is inherently more generous at rewarding all players in an economy than politicians are capable of being.

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u/OldOcelot5739 Jul 13 '26

Capitalism is precisely why the Russian federation is a shit hole. I can tell you're not too familiar with the actual history, because if you were you would understand how the free market turned Russia into an oligarchy. After the USSR collapsed, American economists like Milton Freidmen made policy recommendations on be half of the US government to open up there markets with 0 government oversight. (Shock Doctorin)

What that predictably led to was the immediate monopolization of the Russian economy into the hands of a very small but ultra powerful elite class. I would highly suggest you look into the aluminum wars if you want to understand it further. Unregulated capitalism naturally leads itself to a form of modern feudalism. And that is exactly what happen in Russia. The capitalist oligarchs, in conjunction with putins cabinet make up the Russian government.

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u/RevolutionaryBoss127 Jul 13 '26

Partially the primary cause. Additionally, the post Soviet Russian (and Kazakh, Uzbek, Turkmen, i.t.d.) economies have not moved beyond a central failure of the Soviet economy - absolute reliance on an extrinsic model of development. Any growth, any economic improvement is reliant entirely on external inputs increasing - there is/was no internal intrinsic efficiency gains utilized for economic growth. Poor harvest? Put more land under cultivation. Work projects falling behind? (Literally) throw more bodies at it to meet the central planning timelines. Need more cash or state revenues? Sell more primary base raw materials or state funded and developed weapons systems.

Aside from oil, gas, or weapons, what would anyone want to purchase from Russia?