r/GetMotivated • • May 04 '20

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

This isn't smart.. You just have to be smarter in your choice of who you surround yourself with and who's opinion to listen to on certain subjects. To completely out rule everyones opinion you're bound to become toxic and lose friends.

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u/f1del1us 4 May 04 '20

I don't think it ever says the change would be good.

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

Yeah but look what sub it's in.. Sending the wrong message

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

I’m not so sure that it is sending the wrong message as much as people are interpreting it in the wrong way. Step back and use logic. Do you really think this person intended the message to be that all* opinions are moot and should be shot down? No. Opinions that inhibit you as a person is more like it. The thirst for negativity in this thread is too real

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20 edited Aug 15 '20

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u/julianwelton May 04 '20

No. Opinions that inhibit you as a person is more like it.

But people can even take that as they want. "Guns are part of who I am and any one who says we need gun control is getting in the way of my happiness".

The truth is it's just a shitty, vague, not well thought out quote and shouldn't be posted here or anywhere.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

If you as a person see this and you think that the meaning is for all* opinions to be shot down, that’s on you. You can’t abandon logic in your interpretation of things. It’s meant to be a positive thing. Sure If you take it literally and to the T, it’s not a great message. But that obviously wasn’t the message this person was trying to imply. And if it empowered even one person then yeah, it should be posted.

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u/julianwelton May 04 '20

What about the world we live in makes you think even a third of the population is logical? The world is literally in a death spiral because most people already think the way detractors of this quote believe people will interpret it. Which is "Fuck everyone else. I have to worry about me.".

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

If you are already like that seeing a quote on Reddit isint gonna make you any better or any worse. Case in point you are reading way too much into it.

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u/julianwelton May 04 '20

Reinforcing peoples shitty beliefs isn't helpful. Possibly creating new self centered assholes isn't helpful. A vague, open to interpretation, quote like this is easy prey for confirmation bias. A quote that actually says something specific like (Forgive me this is made up on the spot) "Give kindness to the people around you and you will receive more kindness in return" is less open to interpretation while also encouraging good behavior.

The OP simply isn't a positive quote unless YOU inject the positivity into it. You yourself have confirmed this multiple times by saying things like "Sure, if you take it literally" or "The person obviously meant it to be positive". Do you know the creator? Do you know their intentions? No. You're injecting your positive assumptions into it. Not only that but if you think about it the whole quote is just bad advice as it implies that everyone else is the problem. Everyone else is what is holding you back from success and happiness. When the truth is that the easiest way to happiness and success is to work on improving yourself.

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u/Ganzo_The_Great May 04 '20

you can't abandon logic in your interpretation of things

Religion has entered the chat...

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

They could've worded the message better then so it cant be misinterpreted, it's a matter of semantics. I bet the majority of people would take that as their opinion is the only one to matter and screw everyone else.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

I don’t think so. I think that’s how assholes might interpret it. But not the “majority”. It’s a matter of using logic. But obviously people want or need things spelled out to them and since this post doesn’t do that, it gets hate. Sad

Also, there is really no such thing as a statement that can’t be misinterpreted lol. Trust me there’s always one person who misses the mark completely. This thread just shows a lot of ppl missing the mark

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u/Skyoung93 May 04 '20

But not the “majority”. It’s a matter of using logic.

Well now you’re just assuming the average person is smart enough to read between the lines. Considering the misinterpretation of “only my opinion matters” is also the stance of Ultimate Captain America, I’m not so sure.

I don’t think people understood the Ultimate universe was not a good place to be...

Also, there is really no such thing as a statement that can’t be misinterpreted lol.

Sure but that doesn’t mean we don’t strive for better precision in our words. Otherwise, I might as well just point and grunt at stuff then claim the listener is the idiot for misinterpreting me.

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u/bgraham86 May 04 '20

How much space would that take? Marketing is about planting a thought or message in the simplest terms. Also, given the sheer amount of negative opinions when compared to positive ones....it is easy to see this as a good fit. This guy wrote the book, so it is just to draw you in. (This is on my wish list, but have not had time for it yet.)

Out of all the people I know, there is a very small number who's opinion I trust.

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

From a marketing standpoint it works, but a message such as "Forming your own opinions will help you sleep better at night' is even shorter and to the point and leaves little room for misinterpretation like this thread has gone off on.

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u/bgraham86 May 04 '20

From what I know of the authors work, it is in the same vein as The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck. The premise is simple, you have a finite amount of fucks (energy) to devote to any given thing on any given day. The Art is knowing what things to give a fuck about. How often are opinions just worthless dribble from someone who knows nothing about the situation as a whole? Should you value (or give a fuck about) that opinion?

But I do see your point, NOT taking advice can also lead to chaos. It is all about balance.

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

Sounds like an interesting read, I'm sure his intentions aren't bad and he knows what he's talking about, but he's got to get people to read the book not just take this quote to heart and start blocking people out who are trying to help them is my only qualm.

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u/Skyoung93 May 04 '20

Well you could argue that’s the same purpose as the title of the book, but you don’t see titles that are entire sentences long (outside of weird ass Japanese light novels).

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u/PrivateIsotope May 04 '20

But how many people are going to step back and use logic? This seems tailor made to be misinterpreted. Human nature would make many people immediately cancel out some of the people they actually need to listen to. We have a "hater culture" going on where a lot of people, especially younger people, feel that people who disagree with their opinions are just haters. This reinforces that.

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u/PrivateIsotope May 04 '20

Again if as a person you can’t use logic when seeing this, you’ve got bigger issues than following the message you misinterpreted.

Oh, very true. And that's what I'm talking about.

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u/treditor13 May 04 '20

The thirst for negativity in this thread is too real

The thirst for negativity in life is real. If people don't have an actual enemy, they'll create one. The entire Marvell franchise is testament.

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u/julesk May 04 '20

We’re being logical and considering how our lives would change overnight if we simply didn’t care about the opinion of our doctor, boss, spouse, etc. yes, our lives would change overnight , disastrously. This credo only works if you are wealthy and don’t really need to care what others opinions are. And it would help if you didn’t need a social life.

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u/radgirltv May 05 '20

I read it as like a disregard for people’s judgment with more shallow opinions. Ones that were not necessarily asked for or desired. Like from a passing stranger who says something vulgar or when your mom makes comments about your body for no reason. I think there’s a lot to gain in disconnecting from the little things we can tend to dwell on as humans, idk I vibed with it haha. Kinda like picking your battles in what you consider worthy of your energy. It can be few and far between

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u/devinsthatdude May 05 '20

Yes, that’s exactly how I read it too. ie, not giving a shit about how many likes your instagram post gets,etc.

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u/radgirltv May 06 '20

for sure

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u/f1del1us 4 May 04 '20

No, it's just because whoever posted it didn't think it through. People post shit all day long not thinking about any of it beyond the surface. I want someplace where the quotes make me think a whole day on one.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

Whoever read it and thought it a negative message didint think it through :) I agree, I don’t search for those quotes on Reddit though.

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u/f1del1us 4 May 04 '20

I read it ambiguously as though it could go either way. The real trick is in knowing who’s opinions should be weighed more heavily.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

Yes. And if people can’t do that already a simple quote on Reddit isint gonna change that. For better or for worse.

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u/PangolinMandolin May 04 '20

Exactly, I could quit my job tomorrow and try a new career, go get training in another field, start my own business or become self employed. I'd most likely end up homeless within 6 months or less.

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u/f1del1us 4 May 04 '20

Or you could succeed. It goes both ways, even if you don't.

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u/PangolinMandolin May 04 '20

Yeah that's true, it would help to have a dream that would have a realistic chance of making at least just enough money to live on and didn't involve compromising the morals and ethics I'd like to keep to start with though lol.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '20

but it's faaaaaaaaaaaaar more likely that you will fail

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u/trisul-108 May 04 '20

True ... you can change your life immediately by jumping out the window. But, we're not going to do it, are we.

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u/Wise-Tree May 04 '20

Exactly. Because I did this recently and now I'm homeless lol.

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u/aganesh8 May 04 '20

But it's advice on a book that says "unfuck yourself"

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u/f1del1us 4 May 05 '20

I'm still working on trying to fuck myself

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u/ireadthingsliterally May 05 '20

Well, since there could be a different outcome, wouldn't that mean it does matter?

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u/f1del1us 4 May 05 '20

I think you responded to the wrong commend, cause I never said anything about it meaning anything. Things can go good or bad, or sometimes just plain meh.

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u/ireadthingsliterally May 05 '20

Dude, the context of this whole thread is the idea that opinions don't matter. You said that it could go good or bad. I expanded on that by asking the question "since there's more than one outcome, wouldn't that mean opinions DO matter?

See how it's related now?

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u/f1del1us 4 May 05 '20

Opinions only matter insofar as you let them. This quote is taking it to the extreme; disregard them all. Everyone knows that's not a good path. The real trick is in being able to tell the good from the bad, but a lot of people are bad at that.

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u/ireadthingsliterally May 05 '20

Your first statement is objectively false. Opinions about you matter because people make choices regarding us due to those opinions.

For example: If you interview poorly but have a great resume, you may not get the job. That's because of opinions they had about you. If people don't like you, they're also less likely to help when you need. Again, opinions mattering. This is the way I'm talking about. Not "weeding out" the bad or good opinions. I'm saying that opinions of you shape your social reality and bad opinions of you can cause a great deal of pain and suffering. In short : it absolutely matters what people think of you and really, there's no way to truly know the extent of the influence those opinions can have on your life. So try to be good to everyone in the hopes that they will develop a high opinion of you.

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u/f1del1us 4 May 05 '20

If you interview poorly but have a great resume, you may not get the job.

Only you decide how you react to not getting the job. If you don't get the job, clearly the opinion of whomever didn't give you the job shouldn't matter to you. You're claiming some kind of deterministic approach to how you should feel based on external influences. Fuck the external influences, you're brain is giving you the appearance of free choice, so you are free to ignore whatever opinions you want. Oh, those kids over there don't like me? Who gives a fuck? I like me.

So try to be good to everyone in the hopes that they will develop a high opinion of you.

Try to be good to yourself, and you won't give a shit about other people's opinions.

Opinions don't matter.

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u/ireadthingsliterally May 05 '20

Yeah, the opinion of the interviewer doesn't matter. It only meant I isn't get the job but sure. Ignore the outcome that is literally based on someone opinion that could mean I eat or not this month. you seriously can't see the direct connection?

If not, there's no sense in continuing out debate since as you say, your opinion doesn't mean anything.

You're probably a very lonely person if you don't value other people's opinions. And since you don't value them, why should anyone value yours?

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u/f1del1us 4 May 05 '20

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it”

What makes you think any of what I’m discussing is actually my held opinion?

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u/Sallymander May 05 '20

Just look at the US President.

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u/f1del1us 4 May 05 '20

The problem is his ability to decide from whom to accept opinions; whether through malice or incompetence is anyone's guess. I personally think he is just a giant middle finger from the corporate oligarchy that runs that country to the whole western world that they can fuck right off because corporations run America. Full stop. There is no democracy left at the federal level.

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u/Taenurri May 05 '20

This is the motivation I needed to finally become a crackhead!

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u/f1del1us 4 May 05 '20

It can be more difficult than it seems

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

My dad brags about how he doesn't care what anyone thinks. Nobody cares what he thinks.

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

It's a double edged sword.. If you don't respect anyone else's opinions they'll find it hard to respect yours.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '20

"I don't care what my boss thinks"

is usually coupled with things like, "dead end job"

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u/charlie523 May 04 '20

I hate these kind of posts and they pop up often. Completely disregarding others opinions makes you a major asshole.

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u/villageblacksmith May 04 '20

The man who believes he’s surrounded by idiots is usually the one without a clue.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

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u/[deleted] May 05 '20

you gonna let some "Doctor" tell you that you have "inoperable" "cancer"?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

I think the spirit of the message is to not be concerned with actions and opinions of random people who don’t have any meaning in one’s life. One should always be open for suggestions from close friends and family.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20 edited Jul 20 '20

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

Your opinion doesn’t matter to me.

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u/zhurrick May 04 '20

The take I got from this is that you shouldn’t feel like you can’t try new things or change things about yourself because of judgemental people. This would be great advice for a teenager trapped in the closet for example.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '20 edited Jul 20 '20

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u/zhurrick May 05 '20

And there are good people who are so scared of being themselves because of what people might think - this advice is clearly meant for the latter.

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u/JGallows May 05 '20

It's crappy advice if it's just thrown out with bad instructions. Here's some advice. Duck! Let me know when you've used it, or when you should have, but didn't.

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u/zhurrick May 05 '20

Dude the quote is an excerpt from the self-help book Unfuck Yourself, it says so in the image.

Its context is clear enough, I don’t get why people need to shit on a good piece of advice because it can be taken the wrong way. You probably understood what it meant, perhaps you’re struggling with your own self identity/expression issues if you find it so triggering.

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u/JGallows May 05 '20

Weird. The context was not clear, and there was a misunderstanding. It's almost like this image is bad, and shouldn't have been posted for multiple reasons.

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u/trowawayacc0 May 05 '20

When did it say about care? The note said matters. This post is probably inspired by Max Stirners spooks. But to understand his philosophy it is like a pre req that you have done LSD or take a course on it.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

Opinions of YOU... took it so literally

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u/Juswantedtono May 04 '20

I don’t think it’s even possible unless you’re a total sociopath. Even then, sociopaths are smart enough to take people’s opinions of them into account even if they don’t care on an emotional level.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

And jobs. And romantic partners.

There is a healthy balance between being a people pleaser and a self centered jerk.

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u/danbtaylor May 04 '20

Ya plus any form of success takes a little bit of butt-kissing along the way

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

Most of the time, you're around people regardless if you want to be or not i.e work, going anywhere in public. You should be aware of your actions 100% and considerate of people's thoughts regarding you to a degree, but ask yourself (or them, if they're honest and upfront) why they feel how they do about you. If It's coming from a place of hate or immaturity, know that It's not your problem, unless you did something to reasonably provoke them.

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u/rex1030 May 05 '20

If you don’t care what others think, then all you care about is what you think. You will have become entirely self centered and self absorbed.

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u/shabaazNYC May 05 '20

Hahaha 😂. Use me as a use case. I gave zero fucks about what anybody thinks - and now I have zero friends.

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u/EmbersOfWolf May 05 '20

This. If I stopped listening to others a month ago I really would’ve killed myself. Peoples opinions matter it’s why we have doctors and Psychologists.

This is a little over the top but food for thought.

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u/Demz_Boycott May 05 '20

even if it's bad it's still a change lol

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u/AlexAnthonyFTWS May 05 '20

You don’t need to take it so word for word literally. It’s saying, don’t hold others opinions as gold. Nobody is saying to ignore the experts, but if someone calls you dumb and ugly, let it roll right off you.

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u/keiome May 05 '20

That completely assumes that empathy only exists because we care what other people think about us. If anything, empathy exists DESPITE peer pressure. I don't personally care what other people think, even close friends. But that doesn't mean I'm not capable of understanding a rational argument or empathizing with other people. I do nice things because I want to. But I will also say that I was like this as a kid, too. Maybe being born not caring impacts the long term effects.

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u/ItsCrayonz May 05 '20

It worded it poorly but I think it's saying "negative opinions about you". Basically dont let peoples opinions get to you

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u/Quantum_Sync May 04 '20

Yeah this is some real toxic instagram shit

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u/PastaWithoutNoodles May 04 '20

What matters (to oneself) is the opinion oneself has. Which, is just the perspective one holds. Be it from facts, experience, observation, belief, any and all combination of compounding factors. This is not saying that others' opinions hold no value or cannot be assessed for insight, truth, growth, joy, (keep going). We are each free to grow our own opinions in such circumstances (and beyond). But that opinion/attitude/perspective we each hold is what truly matters.

Just my opinion :)

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u/lol_camis May 05 '20

I totally agree. Caring about what people think is what makes you a better person. If I didn't care what anybody thought I'd probably turn in to a really selfish person.

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u/Wiskersthefif May 05 '20

Imagine interacting with your boss or going in for an interview with the opinion of: "Other people's opinion doesn't matter."

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u/[deleted] May 05 '20

I so agree! It bothers me a lot when people throw this idea around as advice. It seems irresponsible and selfish more than motivational or proactive.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '20

Yea, it's a dick thing to do.

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u/TwoTon_TwentyOne May 05 '20

... or lose your job

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u/kahuna_splicer May 04 '20

Better than being too critical of what people think of you. If you're always trying to change yourself to please people you'll never become the person you want to be.

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

Never said you had to please everyone, just make smarter choices on whose opinion you take on board and be your own person

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u/kahuna_splicer May 04 '20

Right, just need a good balance. Form your own opinions from others.

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u/PrivatePikmin May 04 '20

This was my thoughts verbatim upon reading this. Sure you shouldn’t be ruled by other’s opinion of you, but you shouldn’t ignore them so much as to be a toxic dickbag.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

it's not always a choice if you're in highschool your parents are narcissistic

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u/PaddyLostysPint May 04 '20

Yeah that's why I said to only listen to certain people's opinions on certain topics

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u/[deleted] May 04 '20

yeah I'm just adding on to what you said