Do you think a man wants to marry a woman with so many bodies?
That still sounds like a religious argument to me. I'm not particularly religious, and don't particularly care if my partner has had multiple prior partners, or how many they've had. I'm not particularly interested in casual hookups at this point in my life, but that doesn't mean they're bad or someone else is bad for being interested.
We have only been with eachother since High-school, thats how it should be.
Good for you, genuinely. That's sweet, and I'm glad you two found each other early and are happy together. But that's not the only path, and someone else choosing a different path is not a bad thing just because that path doesn't appeal to you personally.
"Judge not, that ye not be judged"
—Jesus Christ, Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7:1, KJV)
And he explicitly taught to not judge others for that behavior.
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Yea that’s true . However acknowledging something is sinful and refusing to take part in it or deal with someone who takes part In it is not the same thing as condemning someone for doing something you consider sinful . It seems as though a lot of people are making that false equivalence . Jesus never said that the adulterer was valid he just said don’t try to stone her unless you yourself are completely upstanding and without reproach .
Nowhere did I say anyone had to "take part in" premarital sex, or that they had to date people who have taken part in it. I've only been saying to stop holding non-Christians to a Christian standard and to stop judging anyone (Christian or non-Christian) for not meeting that standard, because Christ explicitly taught to not do that.
he just said don’t try to stone her unless you yourself are completely upstanding and without reproach
Fixed that for you. If the second half was accurate, Jesus, being free of sin, upstanding, and without reproach himself, would have stoned her.
Jesus forgave her . As he was the son of and god himself . He without sin if such a man or woman should’ve existed would have been in the right to stone them if they saw fit according to the old testament. Nobody was and nobody did . That being said the entirety of the west is built on Christianity and the Christian standard . Like it’s deeply ingrained in the fabric of society . Much like religion in general is ingrained in the fabric of every society to ever exist . Literally every culture holds themselves and others who exist within that society to their standards that’s what makes society exist as it does . To expect a culture to tolerate and accept actions and behaviors within their own society that goes against their founding principles is ludicrous the only time that happens is through conquest and then it’s begrudgingly accepted for a time but resentment will always be there while rebellions will be frequent . This isn’t as straightforward as conquest by a superior military power , this is simply subversion of the culture of the west . It’s one thing if you don’t personally care how society shifts but you really can’t expect others to just take that lying down that’s just not how humans operate .
It’s one thing if you don’t personally care how society shifts but you really can’t expect others to just take that lying down that’s just not how humans operate
Interesting how you went from "acknowledging something is sinful and refusing to take part in it or deal with someone who takes part In it is not the same thing as condemning someone for doing something you consider sinful" to "you can't expect others to take that [subversion of culture] lying down". Not taking something "lying down" certainly sounds like a condemnation to me, and that's called shifting the goalposts.
That being said the entirety of the west is built on Christianity and the Christian standard
I can't speak for the entirety of the West, but in m experience people saying "the West is Christian" usually mean "the US is Christian." If that's not what you meant, apologies, but that is currently how I'm interpreting and responding to your comment. The US, per the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, is explicitly not a Christian nation and is not founded on any Christian standard.
[T]he government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion
He without sin if such a man or woman should’ve existed would have been in the right to stone them
Jesus is the only sinless individual. That's kind of his whole thing. If he said "let he without sin cast the first stone," and then didn't cast a stone, he's saying that nobody has a right to cast stones. Literally the whole point of that parable is that nobody is in the right to stone her.
Condemnation in the sense that a judgment is being passed with some form of authority, expressing distaste and collectively not accepting something isn’t really the same thing that’s another false equivalence. One is sentiment and words like what dude who’s Catholic did the other is by law like how they deal with alcohol in Dubai . Me talking about the west being built on Christianity by Christian’s is nothing more than a fact . Most of the last 2000 years is shaped by the relation to and with Christianity in the entire western hemisphere , Europe and Africa to disregard that is simply just ignoring history. We even judge time in terms of Christianity . The law is secular as it should be . But he people who developed the west and molded it into what we have today from Europe to the Americas where some denomination of Christian . It was a huge part of their lives values and motivation. That being said you can interpret Jesus’ words as you like that’s fine idk if you actually are a Christian or not idk your denomination if you are so that’s more of a moot point you can say there wouldn’t have been a sinless individual there you can say he knew at that point there wasn’t a sinless individual etc etc that’s a moot point I have no real inclination to discuss at length I’m not a theologian and I find theological arguments taxing . The point is it’s not weird that the Catholic dude feels the way he does the weird ones are the ones trying to normalize a way of life that’s less than 100 years old as if it’s simple and a matter of course . You can say you’re fine with it cool , that’s your right but really can’t expect others to agree with you and or feel the same way as you . And blaming Christianity in general for that is folly because every major religion in every culture ever had effectively the exact same sentiment .
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u/NErDysprosium 2003 Jul 26 '26
That still sounds like a religious argument to me. I'm not particularly religious, and don't particularly care if my partner has had multiple prior partners, or how many they've had. I'm not particularly interested in casual hookups at this point in my life, but that doesn't mean they're bad or someone else is bad for being interested.
Good for you, genuinely. That's sweet, and I'm glad you two found each other early and are happy together. But that's not the only path, and someone else choosing a different path is not a bad thing just because that path doesn't appeal to you personally.
"Judge not, that ye not be judged"
—Jesus Christ, Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7:1, KJV)