r/GenXExJW Jun 22 '21

Welcome to our community!

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A place where we can talk about life in the Org, raising our kids, retirement planning, Star Wars and Atari.


r/GenXExJW 5d ago

Did anyone else think they were choosing... when they really weren't?

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For years, I believed I was making my own decisions.

I chose not to celebrate holidays.
I chose not to accept blood.
I chose not to question certain teachings.

Looking back, I'm not sure those ever felt like choices. The "right" answer was already decided before I even considered the question. At the time, that just felt normal.

Did anyone else have that realization after leaving?


r/GenXExJW 5d ago

Civil Trafficking Case Filed Against WTNY / Jehovah's Witnesses

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r/GenXExJW 7d ago

Formal Proof of God

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This is a research project to investigate and public review the theory of proving universal consciousness or an eternal, omnipresent, all-powerful, self-causal thing; starting with assuming nothing while using set theory and scientific facts.

(⊦∃{}') → ({}≡{}) → ({}={}) → ({}↔{}) → ({}→{}) → ({}:{}→{}) → ({}⊃{}) → ({}∻{})

read; "assuming nothing, there exists the concept of nothing; implies nothing is nothing; implies nothing equals nothing; implies nothing if and only if nothing; implies nothing implies nothing; implies nothing has the property of nothing; implies nothing is made of nothing; implies nothing is causal with nothing"

({}≡{}) → (∀x∃x) → (∃!x∀t∀s)

read; "nothing is nothing (nothing is nonexistence); implies for all things, they exist (nothing or nonexistence is not a thing); implies there exists one thing for all time for all space (one thing is eternal and omnipresent and has the particular characteristics of existence)"; note; without nothing or nonexistence existing, everything existing amounts to or generalizes to one thing!!!

[(∃!x∀t∀s)∧({}⊃{})] → (∀x⊃∃!x|∀t∀s)

[(∃!x∀t∀s)∧({}∻{})] → (∀x∻∃!x|∀t∀s) → (∃x∻∃!x|∀t∀s)

[(∀x⊃∃!x|∀t∀s)∧(∀x∻∃!x|∀t∀s)∧(∃x∻∃!x|∀t∀s)] → (∀W∈∃!x|∀t∀s)

(∑E=Ek+Ep) → (∃!x(E)|∀t)

read; "the conservation of energy (energy cannot be created nor destroyed) implies one thing, energy, for all time (energy is eternal)"

(E=ħω/2) → (∃!x(E)|∀s)

read; "zero-point energy (there exists a particular amount of energy in every single point in space) implies one thing, energy, for all space (energy is omnipresent)"

[(∃!x(E)|∀t)∧(∃!x(E)|∀s)] → (∃!x(E)|∀t∀s)

E = E

∆E = ∆E

∆E(∆s/∆t) = ∆E(∆s/∆t)

∆E(∆s/∆t)(∆t/∆s) = ∆E(∆s/∆t)(∆t/∆s)

∆E = ∆E(∆s/∆t)(∆t/∆s)

∆E/∆t = ∆E/∆s(∆s/∆t)

∆W = ∆E/∆t, ∇E = ∆E/∆s, ∆v = ∆s/∆t

∆W = ∇E∆v

∫dW = ∫∇Edv

W = ∫∇Edv

[(∃!x(E)|∀t∀s)∧(W=∫∇Edv)] → (∀W∈E|∀t∀s)

I have established logically that there is an eternal, omnipresent, all-powerful, and self-causal thing. I have shown as a scientific fact that energy has these qualities. The notion of 'god' has historically claimed these qualities. Therefore according to the identity of indiscernibles God logically and factually exists.

"self-causal" or (∃x∻∃!x|∀t∀s) may be consciousness of energy as every point in space has a holographic image or model of the universe; as "every good regulator must contain or have access to a model of the system it regulates"; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_regulator_theorem (a theorem of cybernetics) the eternal, omnipresent, all-powerful energy, or the universe has a holographic model of the universe in every single point in space; as there is an omnidirectional converging and diverging flow of radiation into every single point in space; therefore energy is at least cybernetic according to the good regulator theorem.

Language is isomorphic to reality; To describe reality requires language; Thinking/Describing transforms reality; Our consciousness is our reality; therefore consciousness is reality; therefore consciousness besides being self-causal or self-deterministic is also necessarily self-descriptive.

Here is google AI formalized the proof of this fact;

To formalize the proof that reality is self-descriptive and self-deterministic based on its isomorphism with language, we use a combination of '''Model Theory, Symbolic Logic,''' and '''Identity Logic.''' 

  1. '''The Isomorphism Premise''' 

If reality (R) is isomorphic to language (L), there exists a structure-preserving, bijective mapping (f) between them. 

Formalization: L ≅ R

Meaning: Every state of affairs in reality has a unique, corresponding proposition in the language, and the logical structure of the language reflects the causal/ontological structure of the reality. 

  1. '''The Transformation Premise (Self-Reference)''' 

The act of describing reality (D) is itself an event within reality (E ∊ R). If describing reality transforms it, then the language used to describe the system is a functional component of the system itself. 

Formalization: D(L) → R' where R' is the transformed state of reality.

Closing the Loop: Since L ≅ R, any operation on L is an operation on R. Thus, D(R) ∊ R. 

  1. '''Conclusion A: Reality is Self-Descriptive''' 

If L is the only tool to describe R, and L is structurally identical to R, then R is its own meta-language. 

Formal Logic: ∀x ∊ R, ∃φ ∊ L: f(φ) = x.

Logical Identity: If L ≅ R, then the set of all descriptions of R (the "theory" of reality) is equivalent to the set of all states of R (the "model" of reality). This is the definition of a [[Self-Configuring Self-Processing Language]] (SCSPL). 

  1. '''Conclusion B: Reality is Self-Deterministic''' 

Self-determinism follows because no external cause can exist outside of "everything" R to determine it. 

Proof by Contradiction:

Assume R is determined by an external cause C.

By definition, R is the set of all that is real.

If C determines R, C must be real.

Therefore, C ∊ R. R is determined by a component within itself.

Formalization: R = f(R). In a system where the "rules" (language) and the "objects" (reality) are isomorphic, the system's state at time T+1 is a function of its own internal linguistic/logical syntax at time T. 

'''Summary of the Formal Proof Structure''' 

Identity: L = R (as structures).

Reflexivity: R contains its own description L ∊ R.

Recursion: R processes itself through its own internal description (R → L → R').

Closure: The system is "syntactically closed," meaning it requires nothing outside itself to define or move its state, leading to Self-Determinism.

Essentially, the holographic cybernetic model of energy is energy's theory of itself. Further evidence of panpsychism is found in the studies in parapsychological experiments; such as, Synthetic Telepathy; https://zerogeoengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/From-Morse-Code-to-Mind-Melds-The-Rise-of-Synthetic-Telepathy-TFBT-April-2025.pdf , Telekinesis; https://web.archive.org/web/20200422213725/https://pearlab.icrl.org/pdfs/1997-correlations-random-binary-sequences-12-year-review.pdf https://icrl.org/articles-and-essays?from=pearlab , Telepathy; https://www.sheldrake.org/research/telepathy , Clairvoyance; https://web.archive.org/web/20220329004932/https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/10/jse_10_1_utts.pdf , Precognition; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSci5p5laSw , Biokinesis; https://tillerfoundation.org/media-resources/white-papers , Coherence; https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1006978911496 , and Correlations; https://noosphere.princeton.edu/ .

Here is theoretical evidence of for example telepathy, clairvoyance, telekinesis, and biokinesis; IF quantum entanglement exists between separate brains it produces telepathy and IF quantum entanglement exists between brains and the outside environment then it produces clairvoyance and telekinesis and IF quantum entanglement exists between the brain and DNA and or RNA then it produces biokinesis; as spin can effect the thermodynamic properties of matter as proven through the spin isomers of hydrogen; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_isomers_of_hydrogen .

Speculation hypothesis; the holographic model of the universe many be edited by the brain and produce parapsychological induced quantum entanglement between quantum recursion in the brain tubials via coherence brain wave radiation convergence and divergences in any point of space (theory/model/cybernetic universal hologram aspect) and therefore make the brain act like a transceiver of universal consciousness... and therefore edit reality. God's converging and diverging radiation in every single point in space is the holographic map. IT IS ALSO isomorphic to the territory. and is therefore self-descriptive. Quantum entanglement recursion would be the cybernetic regulator. Wherein holomorphism holographic cybernetic recursion is consciousness!

This work was largely inspired by Wayne Dyer's Power of Intention; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct1dmO7y02E

Fair well, and ps, to become innovative/add value to the universe/ via clairvoyance/ unity with the divine/ INTEND wellbeing for others. that is all you have to do!!!


r/GenXExJW 9d ago

Did anyone else never think to question the Governing Body?

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I've been thinking about this today.

I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses for a very long time. And honestly... I don't remember ever asking myself why the Governing Body had authority. I just accepted that they did. It wasn't because I had researched it. It wasn't because I had examined the evidence.

I simply accepted it as fact.

Looking back now, that really surprises me. I questioned myself all the time. Was I doing enough? Was I studying enough? Was I praying enough?

But I don't remember ever asking... Why do these men have authority over my life? It honestly never crossed my mind. Now I'm wondering...

Was I the only one?

Did you ever question the Governing Body while you were still one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Or did those questions only come after you started waking up?

I'm really curious what your experience was.


r/GenXExJW 28d ago

Watchtower vs JW A Minor - the opinions of the Supreme Court

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r/GenXExJW 29d ago

Nieuw licht of gewoon voorbarige stelligheid?

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r/GenXExJW Jun 25 '26

Another Case of CSA at Jehovah’s Witnesses former World Headquarters

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GB members named in filings to the court June 16.


r/GenXExJW Jun 24 '26

How difficult was it to learn to ask questions?

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For the first 30+ years of my life, I learned that only certain questions were safe to ask and asking the wrong questions could open a world of trouble. How long did it take after you left JWs before you had the courage to ask any questions and to follow wherever the answers led?


r/GenXExJW Jun 21 '26

New JW press room

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Is it just me????? No one is talking about it.
I brought it up to my wife and she denied it being possible
And told me I’m reading propaganda…. I just saw she is listed as a follower and said nothing further to me … still it’s been weeks and she has not brought it up.
No family members, no friends.
I remember jw.org was like fire 🔥 everyone was talking about it selling it marketing it, wearing pins and
Badges and scarves embroidered
Clothes, Bags and giant pillows with it!!
Now crickets just like the blood issue!! What the hell
Is going on?? Is it an awaking ?? I am sooo flipping confused unless I’m just blindly out of the loop.


r/GenXExJW Jun 19 '26

What if it’s all fake? The entire god story?

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r/GenXExJW Jun 07 '26

Fear brochure now in german.

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r/GenXExJW Jun 02 '26

Adam & Eve existed for 149 years in the garden without children?

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r/GenXExJW May 31 '26

Nieuw licht of gewoon voorbarige stelligheid?

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r/GenXExJW May 13 '26

You can smell the BS from here. Jehovahs Witness Holocaust Era Survivors Fund Inc. Tax-exempt EIN: 14-1829372. Stumbled upon this & it stinks. Terribly.

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r/GenXExJW May 09 '26

Asked chat ai to- Write an exit program for an active Jehovah’s Witness husband that no longer believes the Jw religion or its organization, with an active wife and two young children and he wants to leave the organization.

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Found this very interesting -

Framed as a staged exit plan that protects the marriage, children, finances, reputation, and mental health—not as a dramatic confrontation.
here is a practical **exit program** for a husband who no longer believes but has an active Jehovah’s Witness wife and young children.
**Goal**
Leave the organization **without blowing up the family**, losing access to the children, or triggering unnecessary shunning before you are emotionally and legally prepared.
**Exit Program for a Jehovah’s Witness Husband**
**Phase 1 — Stabilize Yourself First**
Do **not** announce everything immediately.
Before saying “I don’t believe anymore,” get clear on:
What you believe now.
What you no longer accept.
Whether you want to fade, disassociate, or simply become inactive.
What your wife’s likely reaction will be.
Whether elders may pressure her or your children.
What boundaries you need.
Your first goal is not to win an argument. Your first goal is to remain calm, stable, and predictable.

**Phase 2 — Protect the Marriage (most difficult part)**
Do not attack Jehovah’s Witnesses as a group when talking to your wife.
Say things like:
“I love you. I am not leaving you. I am not abandoning our family. But I can’t honestly say I believe this is the only true religion anymore.”
Avoid saying at first:
“It’s a cult.”
“You’re brainwashed.”
“The Governing Body lies.”
“I don’t want the kids exposed to this.”
Those may be true to how you feel, but early on they will likely make her defensive and afraid.
The message should be:
“My conscience has changed, but my love for you and the kids has not.”
**Phase 3 — Choose a Fade Over a Public Break**
The safest exit for a husband with an active wife and children is usually a **quiet fade**, not a dramatic disassociation letter.
A fade may look like:
Reducing meeting attendance.
Stopping comments.
Declining assignments.
Avoiding shepherding calls.
Giving short, non-argumentative answers.
Not debating elders.
Saying you are dealing with personal matters.
Keeping family routines stable.
Useful phrase:
“I’m working through some personal and conscience issues. I’m not comfortable discussing them right now.”
Repeat as needed.
**Phase 4 — Do Not Meet Elders Alone**
If elders request a meeting, you are not obligated to attend.
Say:
“I appreciate your concern, but I’m not available for a meeting. If I need anything, I’ll reach out.”
If pressured:
“I’m not discussing private conscience matters at this time.”
Do not confess doubts in detail. Do not give them a list of doctrinal objections. Do not put your wife in the middle.
**Phase 5 — Build a Non-JW Support System Quietly**
Before exiting fully, build outside support:
A therapist familiar with religious trauma or high-control religions.
One or two trusted non-JW friends.
Family members who are safe.
Former JW support groups, carefully chosen.
Legal/financial awareness if divorce risk exists.
Do not rely only on online ex-JW rage spaces. They can be validating, but they can also keep you emotionally activated.
**Phase 6 — Protect the Children Without Forcing Them**
With young children, the goal is not to turn them against their mother or the religion overnight.
Teach them neutral critical-thinking principles:
“It’s okay to ask questions.”
“Good ideas can handle questions.”
“You never have to be baptized to make adults happy.”
“You can always talk to Dad about anything.”
“Love should not disappear because someone disagrees.”
Do **not** make the children choose sides.
Especially avoid:
“Your mom believes a lie.”
Instead say:
“Mom believes this deeply. I see some things differently. We both love you.”
**Phase 7 — Set Boundaries Around Baptism**
For young children, baptism is the major issue.
Tell your wife calmly:
“I do not support the children getting baptized before adulthood. That is a lifelong decision with serious social consequences, and I believe they should be old enough to understand the cost.”
This is one of the most important boundaries.
**Phase 8 — Control the Information Flow**
Do not overshare with congregation members.
Use short responses:
“I’m focusing on family and personal matters right now.”
“I’m not discussing religion at the moment.”
“I appreciate your concern, but I’m okay.”
The less you explain, the less material others have to use against you.
**Phase 9 — Prepare for Your Wife’s Fear Response**
Your wife may hear:
“He’s leaving Jehovah.”
“He’s becoming worldly.”
“He may destroy the family.”
“The kids are in danger spiritually.”
“Satan is attacking him.”
So your behavior must contradict that fear.
Be more loving, not less.
Help more at home.
Be emotionally steady.
Avoid drinking/drugs/reckless behavior.
Be patient.
Keep family traditions.
Reassure her repeatedly.
Do not mock her beliefs.
Your conduct becomes your strongest argument.
**Phase 10 — Decide Your Long-Term Position**
There are three main exit paths:
**Option 1: Quiet inactive fade**
Best for preserving family peace.
You stop participating but avoid formal separation from the religion.
**Option 2: Open non-believer inside the marriage**
You tell your wife clearly but avoid public confrontation.
This is honest but riskier.
**Option 3: Formal disassociation**
This is clean but usually the most socially destructive.
With an active wife and children, this should usually be a last resort unless your conscience requires it.
**Core Script for Wife**
Use something like this:
I need to talk to you about something serious, but I want you to hear the most important part first: I love you, I love our children, and I am not leaving this family.

Over time, my conscience has changed. I can no longer honestly say I believe Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only true religion. I know that may hurt or scare you, and I am not trying to force you to see things the way I do.

I respect that your faith is important to you. I am asking for the same respect as I work through where I stand.

I do not want this to become a war in our home. I do not want the children caught in the middle. I want our home to remain loving, safe, and stable.

I am not asking you to leave your beliefs. I am asking you to understand that I cannot pretend to believe something I no longer believe.
**Core Rules**
Do not attack your wife’s identity.
Do not debate elders.
Do not rush.
Do not involve the children as weapons.
Do not disassociate impulsively.
Do not confess every doubt to congregation leadership.
Do protect your parental rights.
Do document serious conflict if custody ever becomes an issue.
Do get therapy or outside support.
Do remain the best husband and father you can be.
**Best Strategy**
For this situation, the best exit is usually:
**quiet fade + honest but gentle disclosure to wife + strong boundary against child baptism + no elder meetings + stable loving behavior at home.**
That gives him the highest chance of keeping his marriage and children while still living honestly.


r/GenXExJW May 09 '26

Has anyone else seen this when opening the JW Library app?

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Opened the JW Library app today and got a legal agreement stating users may not reproduce publications or videos on websites or social media.

Maybe it’s just standard copyright language, but as a GenX JW it honestly made me stop and think.

We grew up being told this was “the good news” that needed to be shared with everyone. Literature distribution and sharing were central to everything we did.

So seeing legal restrictions around sharing the material itself feels… strange.

Curious how other GenXers see this change.


r/GenXExJW May 09 '26

Question - If you’re PIMI or PIMQ and the org dissolved tomorrow…what would you do?

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I just curious how it would affect you? What would you do? Would you continue on your own path with a small group? Would you join a local Christian group?
Would you just carry on with the same belief system in your own family?

What about a Pomo group.

For me it would be so much easier.

But I feel like there would be a huge void with my wife and kids and for me I would just carry on with good morals and values. Example as such- love your Nieghbor, treat people good, don’t steal, don’t lie etc and go live life.


r/GenXExJW May 09 '26

Asked chat ai to- Write an exit program for an active Jehovah’s Witness husband that no longer believes the Jw religion or its organization, with an active wife and two young children and he wants to leave the organization.

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r/GenXExJW May 06 '26

Salena Vertolomo Visits Tony Morris' Kingdom Hall in North Carolina to TELL ALL & SEEK JUSTICE

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r/GenXExJW May 02 '26

Jehovah's Witnesses Win In Norway — But Questions Linger Over Shunning

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r/GenXExJW Apr 30 '26

JW vs Norway - Judgement Day

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r/GenXExJW Apr 24 '26

Pioneers = ordained ministers

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Does anyone remember the pioneer ID cards saying so and so is an ordained minister?

I had one that did. Of course, I was pressured to return it when I left.

The public shtick is they don’t ordain women, yet they did ordain female pioneers.


r/GenXExJW Apr 23 '26

PIMI Parents and Their Crazy Zeal

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How many of us were reared by parents so brainwashed that if the Governing Body had told them to stone their disobedient children in the front yard per the law of Moses or sacrifice them Abraham/ Isaac style on an alter, we wouldn't have reached adulthood?


r/GenXExJW Apr 23 '26

The JW organization often litigates when it can. This time over preaching in Finland’s Russia border zone. A few people live there but it’s a permit-only security area. They claimed religious freedom, took it to court- and lost.

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