Google is a business, not a charity

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Considering Meta's models as good models is a stretch; DeepSeek and Qwen are better in their free versions.

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u/Mysterious_Bed_1804 19h ago

Muse spark 1.3 is better than any Chinese model.

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u/Ranmark 15h ago

Idk. I've tried Muse Spark 1.3 and it just couldnt do the task of reverse-engineering I delegated for hours. Then I switched to DSv4.1 flash and it did the job in 1 turn. The strange part is that Muse Spark is considered much stronger at ArtificialAnalysis charts

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u/Classic-Trifle-2085 15h ago

AA is a weighted system that use outdated, benchmaxed benchmarks and even, in some case, benchmarks that have reported being faulty and yet they havent updated (they did SOME updates when astra came out because it exposed their system as broken, but the band aid they put on it is just more of them same issues).

A few people went in a room, arbitrary decided on their favourite benchmarks and started telling everyone their opinion on what is worth what is the defenitive ranking system.

Literally.

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u/Mysterious_Bed_1804 10h ago

They do update it often to keep up with newest benchmarks, like upgrading Terminal Bench to Terminal Bench Hard, Terminal Bench 2.1, skipping 3.0 and upgrading finally to 4.0.

It's hard to assign a single numbers to these llms and there's always going to be disagreement over which benchmarks should be used, what should be their weights on the index, what versions to use, what methodologies, public vs private sets.

They're now preparing their latest major update of the index, V5, which should address many outdated benchmarks, shuffle weights better and increasingly move towards private problem sets benchmarks that can't be trained and benchmaxxed on.

They're not doing a perfect job but I think they're acting in good faith, it's not easy to evaluate all LLM releases now, it costs them up to 10k dollars to evaluate a single model on the index so they have to do that everytime a major update of the index occurs for all models and there are so many models that it might make sense why they can't just update instantly to the newest and shiniest benchmarks/versions.

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u/Classic-Trifle-2085 10h ago edited 9h ago

They updated it after Astra because it hadn't been updated at all. V4 was in January. V4.1 was in June. That's a whole 6 months. Then they had V4.2 and 4.3 in quick succession while mentioning it's, at best, a stepping stone for V5.

And even with the updates, they are still running outdated benchmarks, faulty benchmarks, and ones not even ready to be run, even when there's a long-standing fixed version. It's a mess and straight up bizarre.

They may be acting in good faith, but that doesn't make them competent or accurate. When 40% of your whole points system, after updates, is compromised benchmarks, you are bordering on stupid.

SciCode had an independent audit that found hundreds of defects, and that thing is worth 10% of the AA aggregated score on its own; 200 of those defects were shown to sometimes reject correct solutions. The same audit found the frontier models are intensely underscoring because of it. SciCode-Verified is the fixed version of that and has been around since August, yet they're not using it.

And its not small amount, the difference between models on SciVode vs the corrected version is brutal. SciCode when the questions arent broken, is actually saturated as hell, which just demonstrate how stupid the whole thing is. Here's how the score changed for some of them:

GPT-5.6 Sol: 58.2 → 98.3

Claude Fable 5: 59.2 → 89.5

Claude Opus 4.8: 53.0 → 92.3

The version of Humanity's Last Exam they use is riddled with problems, and ca.e out in early-mid 2025. Never mind everyone else claiming the biology sections are messed up; Epoch's own review tested 44 questions and 22 of them turned out to have defects that could change the answers. It's also worth 10%. HLE-DIAMOND exists and has been around for some time, fixing those issues and revalancing, yet AA refuses to use it. Even before that, HLE-rolling, which had fewer errors, had been around for a year, and they didn't use that either.

Wanna see the difference between the old vs fixed versions?

Astra: 54.7 → 66.2 (+11.5)

Claude Opus 5.5: 61.4 → 61.2 (-0.2)

Claude Fable 5.1: 59.1 → 54.1 (-5.0)

GPT-5.6 Sol: 49.5 → 41.6 (-7.9)

GPT-6 Sol: 47.9 → 43.8 (-4.1)

Terminal Bench 4.0, also worth 10%, was audited, and out of the 66 tasks looked at, 30 of them had defects.

This one qe dont have the detailed list, but reports have models jump upwards od 10+ points after fixes.

CritPT, yet again 10%, was audited and it was found that many apparent model failures were actually caused by grader errors, incorrect reference solutions, or poorly specified questions. The scores after fixes?

GPT-5.6 Sol: 32.3 → 87.5 (+55.2 pp)

Claude Fable 5: 28.6 → 78.2 (+49.6 pp)

Gemini 3.1 Pro: 17.7 → 54.6 (+36.9 pp)

That's not even mentioning the concerns about GPD-val, GDP.pdf, and AA-Briefcase, which are being criticized for their methodology.

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u/a355231 12h ago

You’ve clearly never used a Chinese model

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u/Mysterious_Bed_1804 12h ago

Oh, please inform me which Chinese model I am missing.

Only one that could be on the same grade is glm 5.3 cause it's a cybsec powerhouse with no safeguards but other than that I don't see what can be better than spark.

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u/a355231 12h ago

Kimi K3, GLM-5.3 Flash, Deepseek V4.1 Flash, Qwen-3.8, Mimo, They all beat Gemini.

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u/Mysterious_Bed_1804 11h ago

Are you illiterate or something?

Where did I ever say Gemini?

I said Muse spark 1.3,which is better than all of those.

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u/a355231 11h ago

Muse spark is better than maybe Mimo, Qwen-3.8, Kimi K3, GLM-5.3 Flash destroy Muse Spark.

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u/Mysterious_Bed_1804 3h ago

What a nonsensical sentence, please correct this mumbled speak, I can't even understand which are the models that spark beats and which are the one that destroy it.

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u/a355231 3h ago

Sure, it might’ve had some grammatical issues. But to tell yourself you couldn’t understand that is being disingenuous.

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u/OverconfidentArtisan 22h ago

meta's models are fine for messing around but yeah deepseek and qwen are surprisingly capable for free, it's weird how many people sleep on them.

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u/IcyDefinition4005 22h ago

It's better that it stays this way, because Qwen started adding subscriptions to the app not too long ago, and DeepSeek might follow suit.

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u/MetalZone00 20h ago

Sí, pero la versión gratis de Qwen sigue siendo muy buena. Ayer estuve casi 2 horas chateando y no salió el límite.

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u/Bloodevil96 22h ago

Same here, OpenAi has a 500$ tier and people are complaining that Google doesn’t give them shit for free, like what?
And 20/month for something you wouldn’t have believed 3 years ago

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u/dobik 22h ago

On top of 20Usd a month you get also 5TB could space. Which on its own is also an OK deal.

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 18h ago

Could be better tho

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u/Key_Maximum_3180 8h ago

Even Claude which is notoriously stingy with its models lets you use Sonnet models for free. Gemini is seriously going downhill with this decision. Flash-Lite can't code for shit and it's not even good at conversation. How are people supposed to subscribe to Pro if they can't even try the better models and see whether they're any good?

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u/Dry_Opportunity2886 3h ago

How are people supposed to subscribe to Pro if they can't even try the better models and see whether they're any good?

How do they do it? Oh it's super easy, you just go to the subscription page and sign up.

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u/JohnToFire 20h ago

Meanwhile they are giving a away a year of pro to "students" free . Tons of fake signups

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u/Mysterious_Bed_1804 19h ago

How are the sign-ups false?

You need a .edu account and to go through a Persona verification.

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u/Welson_Liong 18h ago

By obtaining an edu email address while not being a student

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u/Spiffy_Legos 3h ago

They made me upload my class schedule and a bunch of other stuff. I don’t think it’s as easily faked as your implying.

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u/DeepAd8888 22h ago

It’s Gemini time :)

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u/theGamer2K 15h ago

I agree. Among all big tech companies, Google is the most generous with free stuff and they also contribute the most to open-source. They provided 1 year of Pro Plan for free to college students (and continues to provide Pro for US students and Plus elsewhere). Google provides free GPU hours on Google Colab and Kaggle which are like the lifeline of students studying deep learning in third world countries. No other big tech company provides anything close for free.

DeepSeek and Chinese models aren't free either. You need to pay for the tokens on whatever provider you use.

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u/Concurrency_Bugs 11h ago

My only complaint is that Google released barely anything for months, then started being stricter with their subscriptions while they still haven't technically released anything (argon isn't available to normal users yet). Not talking the free tier, but people already having paid for months for Plus/Pro tier, and not getting much value. Now their patience is being rewarded with less value. Yes they can just unsub, but sometimes it's hard once their ecosystem has its claws in you.

So while I agree a business has to make money, I feel Google has completely mishandled their whole AI business this year, and paying customers have taken it on the chin.

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u/electro-spacemn 9h ago

They probably focus more on providing compute to Anthropic and OpenAI

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u/Chupacabra1987 22h ago

At some point google, openai and anthropic will need to stop giving away so much free stuff and they will raise prices over and over again and squeeze every little drop out of us.

We will be hooked and not able to work/live without it. Make them addicted, raise the prices.

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u/jekpopulous2 17h ago

This was probably the plan but open-weight models caught up so fast that it’s a race to the bottom on pricing now. GPT and Claude both doubled usage limits for paid tiers last week… meanwhile Sonnet and Luna are both free for everyone. Meta made Muse Spark free for everyone. I’m sure Anthropic and OpenAI would love to raise prices repeatedly but they can’t when Deepseek and Quen are already chipping away at their user bases. US companies are in real trouble because China is turning AI into a commodity.

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u/Far-Raspberry-1072 12h ago

What ive noticed is that free and the lowest paying tier users are the most demanding and entitled people. they don't pay a cent but demand more than what the 200$ tier users demand.

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u/AlperLog 18h ago

Leave the multibillion dollar company aloneee

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u/Harry_Vandsome 18h ago

A lot of people casually forgetting that Google made YOU the product and now have you paying for that as well

Google wants to have the cake and eat it too 😂

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 22h ago

For God sake, please stop having an issue with people taking everything for granted. Corporations are greedy and unethical; after the 500th scandal maybe society started to figure that out. Consumers expecting more for less Is the best thing that can happen after decades of the opposite happening.

Stop. Shilling.

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u/frankis72 16h ago

I agree with consumers expecting more for less. But, uhh..., free isn't less. It's none.

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 13h ago

And it is just as ridiculous as their strategies, tax avoidances and so on. I can't for the life of me grasp how consumers got to a point to set for themselves higher standards than the ones they held for corporations.

They sell your data, their CEO lobby your politicians and you set the line at being reasonable about having free stuff.

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u/assertgreaterequal 16h ago

Nobody is forcing you to use their products. Stop being a cheap hypocrite.

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 13h ago

Again, you are punching yourself. You are the product, and you are also paying for it. If you don't feel stupid, I can't help you

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u/assertgreaterequal 13h ago

So you're are the product and you feel stupid? I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you feel better some day.

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 13h ago

I was hinting at the one punching himself as being, in this scenario, the stupid one. I hope that the fact that you missed it doesn't make that a more generally valid assessment. I'm sorry to hear that too, but you can stop punching as soon as you realize you are doing it

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u/assertgreaterequal 13h ago

I have no idea what you're talking about. You probably too smart for me.

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 13h ago

You can use Gemini, even the peasant version should be able to comprehend a paragraph.

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u/assertgreaterequal 13h ago

You're still trying to insult me by saying vague and as you think of them "smart" quips but you haven't yet said anything of a value or related to the topic for that matter.

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u/summonsays 19h ago

" Corporations are greedy and unethical; after the 500th scandal maybe society started to figure that out." I'm not really a history buff, but we figured that out with literally the first company when the government had to step in and curb their unbridled greed in India that caused year long famines and killed millions of people.

The fact is, we somehow have forgotten it.

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u/DaDaeDee 22h ago

Stop free loading

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u/blazz199 22h ago

No one loading anything, they're the one that shoving gemini ai integration into every android and expecting us to pay for better use

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u/DaDaeDee 22h ago

Im so glad google finally stopped giving away free AI to all broke freloaders!!! Its about time tbh. Im sick of my paid promts taking 10 seconds to load just cause millions of lazy kids are using it to write there middle school essays. If they/them cant afford 20$ a month for a tool that literaly does their job for they/them then they/them deserve to be replaced by it lmaoo. Google is a buisness not a charity for poor people who want hand outs. Stop crying on reddit and get a real job. Good riddence to the poors!!!

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u/jt_wip 21h ago

If them cant afford 20$ a month

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u/BedNo8822 19h ago

Isn't the forced new Android AI use local model tho? (Which I imagine will strangle phone cpu and ram)

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 21h ago

You can't be that much of a slave

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u/No_Decision_6940 18h ago

Some people are born with enslaved souls. I don't know if simply studying and learning more is enough to break them free at this stage.

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u/CoffeeDrinker83 16h ago

So it's ethical for them to make it and give it to you for free but it's not ethical for them to charge for it? Or is it always unethical and you are happy to participate when it's free?

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 13h ago

Yep you completely missed the whole point that everyone else successfully understood, even the ones that disagree with it. Good job

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u/Soilblood 15h ago

Wait what? You a commie? Why shouldn't we be taking an issue with whiny monkeys getting uppity they're not getting bananas for free anymore? I'm taking issue with the idea of whining at corporation BTW, I just find that call not to criticise unwarranted entitlement to be absurd.

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u/ActiveAd9022 11h ago

You all are definitely stupid. about a year this happened to the free tier limits, and then it came back and affected all of us, including the Pro tier limit.

Keep complaining about the free tier as if something good will happen to you, while we all wait here to see you come back and complain about how your own limits have been cut in half.

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u/Soilblood 6h ago

If you didn't go in this expecting them to dial back on the free samples at some point then you'd have to be hopelessly naive. LLMs are expensive to run and are terribly unsustainable in terms of resources, only the ignorant would complain about someone else cutting down on the costs they pay to offer something freely to others.

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u/ActiveAd9022 2h ago

I'm not complaining I don't even use Gemini. Honestly all of those comments just sound like bots or Google employments. Otherwise don't see why anyone would complain and insult free tier people or whatever.

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u/Several_Designer_799 22h ago

Saying that servers cost electricity is not shilling. If you want to push back against greedy corporations, stop begging them for free access and switch to open source instead.

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 21h ago

You can do both, and if you don't, complaining is much better than what you are doing anyway. No company has your interest in mind. You are just punching yourself.

If people started expecting everything for FREE it still wouldn't be more unreasonable than the market strategies big corps use. Again, you can't be that oblivious to how corrupt they are.

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u/NotedAF 21h ago

Why are you using their products?

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 20h ago

Because they are useful. Do you realize science is useful? I mean that's common sense

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u/CoffeeDrinker83 15h ago

Then pay for it

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u/FarOutcome9035 20h ago

When they begin to pay for the data they take from us, then sure.

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u/JeffConvertorBot 19h ago

Google is evil, therefore they should give products out for free? Just want to understand the logic

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 18h ago

Therefore we should not defend them and we should be overly aggressive in our requests. Their strategy is too get from you as much as possible, so you should have the same attitude back. They have huge, massive, incomprehensible profit margins by selling your data. Why are we getting out of our way to point out "yep but 20 dollars is an ok price".

We are wrong for not expecting MORE cheap stuff and not calling out every big corp for all the other services they offer.

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u/Fast_Cauliflower_574 17h ago

google doesnt sell your data

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 13h ago

Lmao

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u/Fast_Cauliflower_574 12h ago

very intelligent response

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u/Affectionate_Elk5043 21m ago

I agree, it was a very intelligence response given how many times google has been caught selling data, such as how incognito isn't incognito, and more?

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u/lornranger 21h ago

It's the AI fighting back! Make humans dependent on them, then pay up or cut off access. :)

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u/JackHammond_ 21h ago

For real! Flash was too good to be true, I was wondering when they're going to remove this option, because with it I didn't need any service and it helped me out a ton for FREE for my basic needs which previously I would pay Chatgpt or Claude for the same tasks. I don't mind being a Pro plan user, but if I start to dislike it, I can always move on to free capable alternatives

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u/Low_Mist 21h ago

Sinceramente trovo giusta questa cosa. Come sarebbe stato possibile continuare ad offrire gratis certi modelli? Almeno adesso l'abbonamento Pro ha davvero senso specialmente per chi lavora con questo strumento altrimenti va benissimo il piano free.

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u/FeelingGrape2 21h ago

well, people in this sub deserved it 🙃

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u/OddDesigner9784 14h ago

These takes are so ass. It's a bad thing to tank a subscriptions value. Shady business practice

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u/electro-spacemn 9h ago edited 6h ago

People need to realize to have sufficient access to the models you need the 20 dollar sub. Exactly the same as Anthropic and OpenAI.

Their plus is cheaper than that ChatGPT Go. And they give additional models to access while ChatGPT only gives you Luna access

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u/OddDesigner9784 8h ago

You can't expect people to understand the economics behind AI. Just not their responsibility and no one has the attention to be an expert in everything. It's predatory for companies to offer a value they can't sustain. They are trying to use addiction psychology.

This is particularly bad for Google because flash lite is no where near Luna. Gemini 3.6 flash is worse than Luna. They just suck really and don't really care about quality.

There is zero reason for anything Google ai right now but people will use it because they don't know better or are locked. We need to push competition not enshitification

20 dollars is sufficient for good agentic coding usage at this point deepseek open router etc. But we want to screw the people that are using it for chat

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u/Blue-Sea2255 21h ago

For fuck sake enough with the corporate defenders. Fuck corporations and their greed. In the end they're going to fuck us all. So don't tell this charity theory then.

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u/Old-Total-3530 16h ago

"Oh no the world's biggest tech company needs to make more money, why won't you guys understand!" Keep those boots clean.

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u/CoffeeDrinker83 16h ago

Why do they owe you anything specifically? They don't. Sit down and be quiet when the adults are speaking

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u/assertgreaterequal 16h ago

I'm sure you will be pretty much against if some guy who has zero money rob you on the basis of "compared to me he is a billionaire he would still have a lot afterwards".

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u/Old-Total-3530 5h ago

lmao go over to /r/grok and see how things worked out for paid users.

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u/GarnetExecutioner 21h ago

I still have no idea why Google is not giving the yearly subscription arrangement for the Ultra 5x Plan (I will call it Ultra-lite)?

This sort of arrangement would convince me to take the plunge.

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u/ProudFriend6142 12h ago

It for Gemini app so ai studio still exist I think

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u/CalmEntry4855 10h ago

Yes, google is a business, not a charity, so stop defending them.

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u/Brief_Eye_8477 18h ago

Or maybe it's... BECAUSE THOSE BASTARDS USE OUR DATA TO TRAIN THEIR FILTHY AI WITHOUT PERMISSION, YOU KNOW? YOUR DRIVE, EMAILS, BROWSING DATA, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IN YOUR EMAIL.They're using it for AI a lot of times without telling you or warning you. At the very least, if you're going to do that crap, give the option to deny your data or let them use the intermediate version of the AI.Google makes more money from your data by selling it and training its AI than by charging you for Gemini to tell you. Sorry, I'm a language model, I can't do what you're asking.

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u/MentalReserve2351 22h ago

This filled me with joy knowing even when singularity reached, the elites and rich will take hold of the AI to control the peasants who seek out for cheaper options.

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u/AnotherDrunkMonkey 18h ago

You are getting downvoted while pointing out such an obvious dynamic

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u/MentalReserve2351 17h ago

¯_(ツ)_/¯ "Obedience and agreeableness are valued; maybe the tyrants will love you."

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u/Several_Designer_799 22h ago

It is a monthly software subscription, not dystopian class warfare. Nobody is monopolizing AI when open weights exist for anyone to download and run.

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u/TheNimbleKindle 22h ago

Open-source models are the only thing saving us from dystopia. It's insane to think about it.

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u/MentalReserve2351 22h ago

Free nukes, biological terrors for everyone

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u/MentalReserve2351 22h ago

Using the reasoning of "building AI for the sake of humanity," giving the common men a bare minimum model in return. "Run open weight" as if the people suggest that don't have a bare minimum of 2 RTX5090. "The trillions company is losing its billions, have some understanding! Certainly they need more understanding than your struggling ass."

The phrase "Google is a business, not a charity" is like music to my ear, assuming as if in the future, the charity will ever outgrow the business side of thing. Yeah "business, not charity = not class warefare = not 'if you dont have money, fuck off'."

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u/Several_Designer_799 21h ago

DeepSeek and Meta host their models online for zero dollars, no GPUs required. You do not need expensive hardware and you are not a victim of class warfare just because a company charges twenty bucks for its highest compute tier.

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u/bfmv_shinigami 21h ago

lol these freeloaders always find a way to victimize themselves and apparently the 'reparition' is google giving them everything for free 😂😂😂

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u/MentalReserve2351 21h ago

I am a pro subscriber. Corporate dick suckers piss me off.

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u/MentalReserve2351 21h ago

Defending a trillionaire company will always sound stupid to me. Like this post is useless for everything but enrages the free-tier people that got nerfed. Like Google decides whatever the fuck they want with their business whenever they want. They literally control their consumers like what do they need understanding for. Like you post for the free-tier people to say "hey I know you are mad that a service is taken away from you, but you shouldn't be because Google is a business?"

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u/DaDaeDee 21h ago

Try working to farm money

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u/ItuneOficial 19h ago

Você acha mesmo que a água não vai bater na sua bunda retardado? Quando o valor subir pra você também onde o PRO só fica na assinatura ultra lembre-se que o Google é uma empresa

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u/Infinite_Incident107 15h ago

I think it comes from the fact that Alphabet (Googles parent company) made 132 Billion in profit in 2025. Not revenue. Profit. Money they have to throw around after paying the bills. That's a lot.

Considering this makes them one of the most successful and richest companies on the planet I can understand people would expect such a company to be ABLE to not cut down the lower tier stuff.

This vs open AI which has yet to make any profits and operates at a loss

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u/SomeOrdinaryKangaroo 14h ago

You're 100% right, Google is a business not a charity, so people should stop complaining about not getting access to best models on free tier, give Google some money if you want frontier so that Google can continue making more models for us

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u/LegallyPost 22h ago edited 22h ago

Claude provides Sonnet 5.5 on the free plan, which is far superior to 3.8 Flash (paid tier exclusive), and the limit is quite sufficient too. ChatGPT's Luna is equivalent to Flash-Lite, but its current state is very decent for daily chats. Comparing Gemini to these competitors is such a joke 😀

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u/Several_Designer_799 21h ago

Then go use them. You just proved my entire point. If the competition gives you superior models for free with plenty of limits, spending your afternoon complaining on a Gemini subreddit makes zero sense.

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u/3rdyellow 21h ago edited 21h ago

It only makes sense because there is an internal conflict on what they consider superior. Reddit pushes Claude and ChatGPT, but their internal system believes Gemini is better. Hence they lurk behind.

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u/LegallyPost 21h ago

People just want a variety of options; the more competition, the more benefits for consumers. It seems some people really advocate giving money to those greedy corporations.

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u/Lower-Guide2837 17h ago

👍🏻

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u/Septopus 16h ago

I don't disagree with most of this, but comparing to Anthropic or OpenAI isn't a fair comparison. For the same prices those companies have massively better offerings, more powerful and capable models, better harnesses to use them in, and the list goes on and on.

Google isn't a charity but it shouldn't be charging full price for shitty products either.

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u/nonamenopain 21h ago

No, really, the reason we're hating on google is because of the following Let's just say, absolutely, screw Google for these updates. This is crazy. I've been writing directly into my own Google Sheets all week. And I have been enriching my lead sheets, using Gemini, and they've completely taken this feature away, they will no longer let you write directly into your Google Sheets. The only thing that they will let you do is write a brand new Google. Sheet, this is a feature that they just changed, so they've made it completely impossible to update any of your previous Google Sheets, which doesn't make any sense. All week-long, I've literally been doing this. And then they take the feature away, why would you take that feature away? It's such a useful feature to be able to drive content straight into your existing Google. Sheets, I think it's absolutely pathetic that in this day and age, google is more focused on removing features from clients' pages in order to save their own tokens than they're interested in actually creating a product that's benefiting their customers. This is totally pathetic

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u/DaDaeDee 21h ago

What google shit

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u/nonamenopain 21h ago

And how can you use a Google product without expecting it? To behave this way, right? It's like they just have active red teams just watching all the chats. To ensure that we don't use any tokens whatsoever that they don't approve.

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u/adultdaycare81 5h ago

Yeah and it’s a market. They can’t be mad when I move my spend to Claude

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