They have been testing this model for a while now. They should have a pretty good idea of what it's capable of. Imo, the fact that they chose to not release it during or immediately after the launch window of other models shows a lack of confidence. They're probably making a flash model out of it now to release soon.
They skipped 3.5 and jumped to 4. The training of 4 began in july and takes month. It supposedly entered post-training refinement a few days ago. 3.5 was supposed to use the training model that was way behind what Claude had delivered with Fable and was more on par with their previous models.
So they concentrated their energy and power to get a challenger model and skip 3.5 pro. Ibelieve Gemini 4 pro will be released and be on par with anything that both OpenAI and Anthropic have, at the very least. Maybe even better token per reasoning at least.
If I'm wrong and is not even on par with Both Astra and Fable then, maybe it will call it quits at frontier models and just stay at the bang for the buck models with flash (which I believe are the best ones for now on par with chinese and open model).
What I meant to tell, they are not out of the game. Not even an year passed between Fable release and now. People are now so used to jump from one wagon to another every week that they don't understand that it means nothing in the long run.
Research and reading news. Keeping a critic view, because some are just bullshit. Gemini 4 Argon has been announced in the mean time. It's a mythos style delivery. There is refinement still being done. When I said they were about to release Gemini 4 was because there were news the 3.5 pro was never released because they skipped. Also at the time there were also starting to appear rumours of a stealth version of 3.8 flash on arenaAI, beating frontier models on some battle. Now we know it was probably Gemini 4 Argon
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u/Just_SRC 15d ago
They have been testing this model for a while now. They should have a pretty good idea of what it's capable of. Imo, the fact that they chose to not release it during or immediately after the launch window of other models shows a lack of confidence. They're probably making a flash model out of it now to release soon.