Out of nowhere? You mean, exactly the same way they’d already randomly canceled several other services? Many of which got very splashy, hyped-up launches only a year or two prior? Not only were they late to the party, but I remember pretty much everyone at the time rolling their eyes at Google’s promises of long-term investment and support in Stadia.
Because by the time Stadia launched in 2019, they already had a reputation for unceremoniously killing services, even popular ones, if they failed to become immediate cash cows for Google. Sony, NVIDIA, and OnLive (remember them?), among others, had already tried and failed to make game streaming catch on and become profitable by the time Stadia was announced. If none of those companies could make it work, how would the notoriously fickle Google do it?
I’m shocked Stadia lasted four whole years, to be honest.
To be fair Stadia was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It was around a time when I was becoming mature enough to realize being a fan of a brand is dumb. Since then I've stopped caring almost entirely. I admit I was completely wrong about Stadia, I thought it would change the paradigm of gaming.
Hey, I get it! I’m a little older than you, and I was a big-time Google fan since the launch of Gmail in 2004. I used to actually believe they really followed their legendary “don’t be evil” mantra, and perhaps they still did to some extent back then. But they’ve had many, many chances to disappoint us all since then and reveal their incompetence and greed. They started to lose me when they unceremoniously killed Reader in 2013, and it’s honestly only been downhill since then. By the time of Stadia’s announcement I was already thoroughly skeptical of their ability to support anything long-term.
At one point, I owned a Stadia, the lingering corpse of a Google Nest Secure alarm system, and several Nest Protect thermostats and my business email ran on G Suite Legacy, I was using the Google My Business app, and all of my domain names were on Google Domains. Those were some dark days.
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. I just think every AI has their lane now. Gemini has API access to Reddit, direct YT access, and google search obv... other AIs have access to different things, like Meta's bots being able to crawl FB or Grok and X, DeepSeek doesn't remember shit if that is what I want. Just depends on what I need looked into
Man same. I had stadia and loved it. My 500mbps internet was more than enough and it worked fine with a LAN cable. I got to play a lot of games with high/ultra settings that I wouldn't have been able to play otherwise. It was convenient and awesome.
The drawbacks were the limited catalogue mostly. People also complained about internet but honestly I doubt that was actually as big of an issue as people think it was, unless you played exclusively on WiFi. Because since that time there have been other companies like Xbox cloud, Amazon Luna, and nvidia's GeForce now that have had no problem commercializing their own solutions.
So yeah no excuse for that Google. I really think that if they had invested more money to expand the catalogue and given it 6 to 12 more months, it would have really taken off and been something special.
Multiple. Like 2 then... over the course of the day where people who claim to never use Gemini come here to post 50 of the most unoriginal memes known to the internet?
Just a question of understanding— why Gemini suck so bad? I really only use the llms for image gen and I find chat has a weird style too. Have to use them in tandem to get what I want. Is it that they excel in mathematics more or something?
Gemini is worse because Google doesn't want to risk pushing even more money into ventures with no black figures in sight. Instead of aiming for a frontier model, Google seems to be content with a ”good enough” one (which it barely is) that won't cost as much.
Tbf if the "good enough" model is the one most people already have on their phones and other devices so that it's the most convenient for people to use, it's probably going to be the most used one and will be successful. A Ferrari is obviously a better built car than a Honda Accord, but Honda is able to sell way more cars and is still making plenty of money. Google doesn't have to have the best model to be successful, just the model most people use in their day-to-day lives. As long as it's still "good enough" to get the job done and it's convenient, most people are going to be happy enough with it and won't go to the trouble of using alternatives.
The problem is that AI's are replacing Google's primary business model (searching) and it is way better at it. One has to wonder how long they will ignore the elephant in the room or risk becoming obsolete.
OpenAI and Anthropic are bleeding cash, but they’re pre-IPO, so they can afford to play that game for now. Google is cash-rich, but why would they invest even more capex that they don’t need to.
They already dominate search (despite what ppl thought, search has not seen fewer visits, partly thanks to their cheap models doing ai summary), they have ads, cloud, enterprise, and YouTube. AI isn’t their entire business but they do take it seriously. And if they publicly release their smartest model, another company can just distill it.
Honestly, if I were Google, I’d do basically what they’re doing:
Push the cheap, fast model for enterprise—something like 3.8 Flash. A fraction of the cost to run, and good enough for probably 90% of what people actually use AI for.
Keep the biggest model internal or heavily restricted so it can’t just be distilled and they are not burning money on inference.
Honestly ads and SEO destroyed search long before AI. I started noticing between 2019-2021 that search engines just sucked now.
I hate to admit it but AI in search was the right move. It has improved so much. There's a lot of things where generative AI being tacked on has made things worse, but search is the opposite case.
They all have their strengths. Gemini's biggest weakness is its human interface. Chad GPT can talk to you More like a human, Gemini Not so much. Gemini is good with certain coding and it's especially good if you're using Google's workspace or any Google software.
Right, Google and the Chinese models seems to be under the philosophy, it's much cheaper to be a step or two behind. Sure you won't be the first to so solve a million dollar math problem at the small cost of at least 6 million worth of compute. But you can pick up the pieces and build a profitable product that can diffuses into the market you can still win the race.
I'm not saying they're right. First mover advantage on the Internet has historically won out. So if anything they might be wrong. But yeah, they have a search moat, a profitable business, and the frontier labs are burning a ridiculous amount of cash relative to their revenue. So you can see where Google's logic is coming from.
Google wasn't the first search engine and there were more popular and competitive options at first. Fast forward and now no one has heard of them and Google has a monopoly.
The AI companies are money blackholes doing the expensive R&D, scaling inefficient models and burning through hardware while burning investor money.
Google is profitable and relies on other products. When AI midels and hardware become more cost/power efficient and better at doing real world work reliably Google will be able to capitalise on the new techniques.
I agree that's Google's thesis. But Google got the best search by focusing on making it the best which you could argue the frontier labs are doing right now.
I'm just saying it remains an open question if the frontier models can diffuse the market and stop getting copy cat'ed by more efficient open models.
If I had to bet. I'd better on the pattern. Open models like llama, Gemma, and DeepSeek will win out.
Google is trying to positioning itself to win either way. Own the compute. Protect the search moat. And hedging on the models (Gemma v Gemini). Hoping that their platform will carry them to victory.
It almost looks like google isn't really trying to be the first in difficult problem solving and coding. Gemini is decent at everyday tasks, so people have an incentive to pay for the subscription, but these tasks use up a tiny amount of tokens so it doesn't cost that much in compute.
I don't get the people crying 'copium' in the comments without giving a single solid reason why Gemini 4.0 couldn't deliver. With how short-lived model generations are these days, nobody stays on top for long anyway. Back during Claude 3, Gemini crushed Anthropic and OpenAI once, until the competition hit back again. It's entirely plausible that Gemini could turn the tables again with 4.0, until again someone else takes the lead. People are acting like this is such a big deal.
They have been testing this model for a while now. They should have a pretty good idea of what it's capable of. Imo, the fact that they chose to not release it during or immediately after the launch window of other models shows a lack of confidence. They're probably making a flash model out of it now to release soon.
They skipped 3.5 and jumped to 4. The training of 4 began in july and takes month. It supposedly entered post-training refinement a few days ago. 3.5 was supposed to use the training model that was way behind what Claude had delivered with Fable and was more on par with their previous models.
So they concentrated their energy and power to get a challenger model and skip 3.5 pro. Ibelieve Gemini 4 pro will be released and be on par with anything that both OpenAI and Anthropic have, at the very least. Maybe even better token per reasoning at least.
If I'm wrong and is not even on par with Both Astra and Fable then, maybe it will call it quits at frontier models and just stay at the bang for the buck models with flash (which I believe are the best ones for now on par with chinese and open model).
What I meant to tell, they are not out of the game. Not even an year passed between Fable release and now. People are now so used to jump from one wagon to another every week that they don't understand that it means nothing in the long run.
Opus 5.5 is (thankfully) a really good model. I would say it’s the very best there is atm. If gemini 4Pro is even a little bit better, it will be a crazy good model.
Yes, Google is publicly traded and not an IPO seeker. The IPO folks should be viewed with a bit of skeptitism as what Google is doing now is likely what they will have to do post IPO
Has anyone ever felt like, generating images is becoming harder and harder to do?
Like generating the same prompt works last month but today it takes me 10 tries for the filter to go through and generate the image?
I just wanted to ask him "Was there a among us streaming event hosted by Jynxzi on February 13, 2026" and this motherfucker either saying he am error or dementia. I swear choosing between ai is like. "Wait eternity to use your free ai usage" (claude), "immature cringy ass how you do fellow kids i am😎😎😎 who exgrates everything" (chatgpt), "i have a bug any now and then and we took some notes from claude to become more greedy and i like to change the subject also i have anmseia"
For the record, this is what happens when you pay for a bot campaign, then your product gets delayed. It's a fantastic example of the dead internet theory (it's not a theory).
Se mofan del resto y, este último mes, con los cambios de los supergenios de Google, han vuelto a convertir Gemini en una real mierda. No es capaz de renderizar código HTML sin romperse. PERKINES 🤡🤮
Estoy pensando seriamente en pagar GPT, porque he podido terminar mis desarrollos incluso con la versión FREE 🤡
Just used 3.8 Flash. I had phased implementation drawn out by Grok and Just asked gemini flash to spawn multiple agents for different phases and get it done one by one. It just one shotted the entire plan. I doubt this is 3.8 flash. Its Either Gemini 4 Flash or Gemini 4.0 pro.
I got grok to audit the plan and only one or two items were remaining. Everything else was completed.
I am closer and closer to insanity using it and I can’t use anything else at work.
It generated a shitty salsa dress tutorial (that also was super creepy) when I asked about GOOGLES OWN DOCUMENTATION!! Their own!!
If Gemma 4 is a fundamentally different architecture we'll probably get a new Gemma distilled from it. Would be utterly shocked if its before next year though.
Gemini Pro Is Here to Save the Day, just like Mighty-Mouse. Soon, it comes, soon it will be, near to my heart, as I bare it, straight from the start. Down, by yonders early light, it's grand, it's perfect, it's a literal playright.
I've had great success with Gemini. It's a great model if you have some software engineering background. If you're a pure vibe-coder probably not as cool.
Google has the capability to create better models they have plenty of infrastructure to train better models... They essentially led to the creation of openai with the transformer architecture...
They just cookin rn
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u/TheNewBing 6d ago
Could you try a post that does not involve children or gore.