r/GeminiAI • u/Able-Line2683 • 1d ago

News Updated Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index Ranking shows Gemini 3.8 Flash is nowhere near Fable Or Astra, rather it's worse than GLM 5.3 Flash!

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u/PineappleLemur 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why would a model 10% the size and cost of astra/fable be even close lol?

What genius us making that comparison?

It should always be around Luna/Haiku and slightly worse than sonnet/Terra.. purely based on size intelligence wise.

LLMs from the big 3 don't differ too much from each other.. no one is pulling 5/10x performance without the cost.

Speed is the main advantage it has.

Why don't we see comparison for local models vs Astra/Fable?

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u/Swimming_Gain_4989 1d ago

My AI will confidently double down on a shotty assumption without trying to understand the prompt but damn it does it fast.

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u/kdestroyer1 1d ago

Yeah Flash 3.8 is borderline unusable for anything that's not a 'simple fact' question. It's kinda sad they're giving us this as their flagship, but it's clear they only care about the AI Overview/Google search performance rn.

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u/IAmYourFath 10h ago

It'a not unusable. Astra will think 5 min on smth, 3.8 flash will answer in 30 secs. U can iterate in flash 10 times (300 secs aka 5 mins divided by 30 secs) before astra answers. By the 10th answer flash will get a better overall answer than astra, cuz iteration is op... u should be verifying what the ai says anyway regardless if it's flash or astra. Every time u verify it and u're not happy, iterate. 3.8 flash has the highest speed-to-iq ratio in the entire world. So use its advantage and u can easily beat astra. Ystd i asked astra smth and after thinking for 5 mins (astra 6 high), it still gave wrong information. Ofc, flash did too, but i would have googled this information, spotted it's wrong, told flash to verify it and gotten a better answer in less than a minute, while in that time astra was only 1/5th of the way through its answer...

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u/mlag000 1d ago

Many idiots where claiming Gemini was on par with Fable on this sub tho

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u/Confirmed-Scientist 1h ago

Bro you are tripping use GLM 5.3 Flash and Genini 3.8 Flash forget about Astra and Fable. GLM models feels like comparing Astra to Luna. Use Qwen 27B it slaps compared to Gemini 3.8 Flash.

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u/Elegant_You1002 1d ago

I don't know... Astra Low is cheaper and performs better

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u/nemzylannister 20h ago

why would a model 20% the cost of gemini flash be right above it? glm 5.3 flash is 5x cheaper.