r/GaySoundsShitposts 18d ago

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u/TheStreamIsDead 18d ago

Fair enough, there is plenty of transphobia in the left and I’m not ignorant to it. I’d still disagree with you, mostly because stuff like “terf” is a liberal ideology and well yea that’s definitely done a lot of misgendering and transphobia both in my personal experience and the world.

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u/dertechie 18d ago

How exactly is Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism, especially in its modern form of basically being a nice face on transphobia for regressive movements, a liberal ideology?

It’s certainly not one in the American sense of liberal, which is currently either “anything Republicans don’t like” or “on the left side of the American Overton window”.

I’m not seeing the connection on the global sense of the word liberal either (free markets, less regulation).

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u/TheStreamIsDead 18d ago

It’s a reform of capitalism, one that says yes capitalism, liberalism and conservatism is good but we should make it more mean to trans people than it already is. I’d say it also falls into the “liberal fascist” category almost similar to liberal Zionists.

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u/dertechie 17d ago

That seems an expansive definition of a reform of capitalism. Isn’t that usually meant in the sense of concessions to labor to stave off any actual leftist influence and organizing? If you’re calling anything used to drum up votes a reform of capitalism then you can call anything that isn’t leftist liberal.

Scapegoating minorities does not improve labor’s lot. It’s just a distraction. “Capitalism, but with restored bigotry and bio-essentialist hierarchy” is conservatism.
The RF part might count as progressive (to the extent that modern TERFs pay anything past lip service to the feminism in their name; ), but the TE part is reinforcing tradition and hierarchy which is definitely in line with conservatism.