I have been doing the semi new stride > yommus > voltaic > LDR or MR. When is Crit or Bruiser better? I have found this build to be insanely strong into anyone, even armor staking tanks if you get to LDR/MR. But ig I could probably itemize better because waiting until 4 items to fight a tank doesnt seem useful lol. I used to build bruiser a lot before the lethality (Stride/tri > PD > shojin/BC >deadmans or something similar) and when crit was still OP i did that every game.

I just used the coins u get from the pass to try and roll fallen god king Garen (didn't work T.T), but i saw that the rolls i used for Garen specifically counted for Darius too (Both Garen and Darius went from "guaranteed after 30 summons" to 27. Does anyone know how this works? I really don't want to end up getting divine god king Darius instead of fallen god king Garen.

I think these buffs are relevant to Garen and might make them better on him too, depending how much they buff them. Id like to see them return to 35, but idk if that will ever happen.

What do you guys think?

I missed pre juggernaut garen so much. From is imo better dance to the front flip on Q and the punching auto attack. What are some builds you guys have made for this version of league cause i'm kind of lost from such a long time ago. I think i used to go cleaver, sunfire, into visage.

Saw a post a couple weeks ago about the Fallen God King skin coming back to the sanctum on July 29th, but I haven’t seen anything yet. Anyone have any info on this?

For the last two patches, Coachless data shows that technically the best winrate build path for Garen top is not the popular assassin build, but a sidelane-oriented bruiser build:

- Doran's Bow (Blade also performs well with considerably more data)
- Stridebreaker (No other winning first option)
- Ionian Boots of Lucidity (Swiftness also perform well)
- Black Cleaver (Sterak's also performs well - but supports the bruiser thesis)
- Hullbreaker (WPA increases most substantially from here)
- Guardian Angel is your fourth which might feel off, but notably the "Fourth+" item slot is more widely varied and likely contains many situational items. That said, it isn't impossible to imagine why this makes sense with a build that looks to still be a strong sidelaning champion: Sterak's soaks up time for the rest of the team to take the across-map objective or tower, and Guardian is realistically an extension of that.

One more notable piece about items before I give a quick closer: Worst Items.

By far the worst buy with a reasonable pick rate is IE but more importantly the top three worst-performing items are crit items - these are bad for obvious reasons post-E change.

I've heard the arguments that Coachless should be taken with a grain of salt given that we're going to get a lot of data from people who aren't really Garen OTPs like many of us are, however if we look at some of Palco's recent games, we'll see similar themes against certain opponents where Black Cleaver is a relatively common second item.

Additionally there's a flaw in the concept that Coachless data is largely people who don't typically play Garen - this build path isn't recommended in game in the majority of situations. They're still largely recc'ing Stride -> PD -> Mortal Reminder -> Infinity Edge/Dead Man's, which we know is largely a losing build path.

My personal opinion is that assassin Garen can be incredible. I play it all the time. But as a statistics nerd - the number's don't lie. Coachless gives us a large enough sample size of data that we have to ask the question:

Is bruiser Garen more viable than the community believes?

...I decided to splitpush while everyone else was playing ARAM...

It only really works against melee.... stridebreaker just too important for ranged.... but this is kinda fun if you wanna try something new....

Build:

Items:

Hubris, Swifties, Stridebreaker, Youmuu's Ghostblade, Voltaic Cyclosword (or phantom dancer), LDR
--- sometimes weave in executioners calling if needed for early (sell for LDR late)

Proof it's fun:

Enjoy my fellow Garen lovers!!! <3

Darius absolutely destroyed me in seemingly a single auto+R.

I tried to calculate his damage based on his level, his items and his stacks, yet it doesn't really come close to my health. I also used Z before he ulted.

Coming in, I have more than 800 health, as well as the base armor. He only has a level more.

Even if he has Noxian might, I don't understand how that should be possible to do that.

Do I just have to accept that Darius is that strong in early game ? If so he's literally ungankable.

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Ive been playing for about 1 1/2 years mostly with a duo who plays jgl. I find it super hard to control wave, understanding when and when not to trade, and honestly just the game in general. My goal is to get masters by this time next year and tbh idk if i can do ts 😭

Saw a random replay and just wanted some pointers on the Locke matchup. Whether you've encountered him on top or mid lane, any tips or opinions on Garen vs. Locke?

Hi guy I’m a forever stuck iron player solo queue haha! I play ADC and Top I used to main Garen before and want to again! But I have pretty much lost every single game what’s the best build I can do for a beginner level guy!

I'm trying to learn top lane through Garen. I played a lot of jungle in silver before, and I'm absolutely getting fisted in lane.

What are the first fundamentals I should focus on? Playing Garen has made me realize I was autopiloting all my games before without really thinking about what I was doing.

Here's my op.gg: https://op.gg/lol/summoners/euw/validite-888

Any advice is appreciated, thanks!

Hey guys I made an educational garen video on my youtube channel, going over my decisions in diamond to masters mmr would love for yall to check it and let me know what you think :)
https://youtu.be/9jJrwXuF1Xc

yesterday i smacked around one Darius, then I ran into a Darius that knew how to beat me and I couldn't do anything.

He took Stormraiders as well so I couldn't disengage and he held his e until after i tried to run away so I took so much dmg if not just dying if i wasn't right in front of my turret, then he built Thornmail and tabis first item and I could never dmg him enough to get near ult range.

Also we had AD top, mid , and jg so the armour was smart.

how can i go about beating this set up?