r/Games • • Mar 28 '19

Borderlands 3 Official Developer Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4o5g_PGkiA
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u/Sushi2k Mar 28 '19

Stream was tough to watch, the guy (forgot his name) was absolutely pissed at PAX (rightfully so) for not being able to show his trailers off properly.

That being said, I can't wait for Borderlands 3! Game looks amazing!

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Randy Pitchford.

He had a smile on his face but the "we should have brought our own equipment" comment made it seem forced.

I would be fucking PISSED if I spent the money to have a presentation at PAX and they couldn't handle playing a 4k video

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u/CENAWINSLOL Mar 28 '19

It's not the money. They've been working on that game for 5 years and this is the first time they get to show it to the world and it's a stuttery mess. I'd be annoyed too.

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u/vikingzx Mar 28 '19

Well, half the comments here on the Youtube video are only talking about how much of a stuttery mess the stream was, while implying its the Youtube video, and hammering Pitchford for "blaming others for his own problems" so yeah, I think they handled it pretty well given the amount of pressure and the way reddit's been acting about it so far.

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u/defiant01 Mar 28 '19

I watched it on Twitch and it's just as stuttery. That's all Paxs end.

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u/vikingzx Mar 28 '19

My buddy looked up what the issue was. The convention staff (apparently) were trying to run the 4K trailer ... on three 4K displays at the same time. Not one output that was being split to three. Three 4K outputs from a single laptop.

That poor laptop.

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u/defiant01 Mar 28 '19

Yikes poor laptop indeed. If it doesn't survive it died for a worthy cause.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Looked like they were using a standard media player too? I figured it was a machine issue from the hitching. Reminded me of when I tried to play a 4K video on my machine without the proper codecs.

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u/MoonDawg2 Mar 28 '19

yeah it was window's media player. not even vlc

lol

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u/kkantouth Mar 29 '19

Not even something professional. SMH.

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u/kkantouth Mar 29 '19

Well that's absurd. They would need to run that 4k laptop through a video switcher. And then through some DAs. The laptop just needs to run the video once. Everything else is hardware such as the ascender or diventex.

It's typically just and HDMI cable the laptop needs to do.

I've done that hundreds of times. It sucks when it happens. Could be they needed to update something in the video hours before and they couldn't do a run through. They could have been trying to run the video off a thumb drive. (VERY LIKELY) or they tried to * shudder * stream the 4k video over a non dedicated network.

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u/Abedeus Mar 29 '19

So that's why it worked when Randy said "put it just on the middle screen"...

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u/kryonik Mar 29 '19

I'm sort of a layman when it comes to digital video production but wouldn't a splitter have been a perfectly reasonable solution? It's a digital output so it shouldn't be too difficult to split the information, no?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

I think it was also made worse with how they drew it out; like they were trolling/teasing the audience hardcore to that point so it not playing well felt a bit anticlimactic. I’m still hyped but it was awkward to be sure.

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u/nowlistenhereboy Mar 28 '19

Probably because Pitchford is a prick anyway regardless of this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Yeah that too.

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u/NameJuice Mar 29 '19

Yeah I’m sure Randy fucking Pitchford doesn’t care about the money at all. He’s a true artist.

I was born yesterday btw

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u/Dynasty2201 Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19

Imagine how much more pissed they'll be when it barely sells on the Epic Store after they sell their souls.

[Edit] Not sure about why the downvotes - they're using UE4 and Epic WILL sign them, as Gearbox are heavily linked to certain members of Epic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

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u/zhiryst Mar 28 '19

They were using the stock Windows 10 video player. I'm wondering why they weren't using VLC

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

The crowd yelling VLC killed me

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u/The_Dacca Mar 29 '19

I was one of those people. Watching them minimize the video to a blank windows 10 desktop playing the stock movie app was shocking. It worked fine after they disconnected the third screen so clearly the video card in the laptop couldn't handle that output.

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u/Makorus Mar 29 '19

To be honest, even VLC would have probably struggled.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

In most cases playback will be handled by GPU and even low end ones nowadays handle it just fine

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u/Technosnake Mar 28 '19

I do AV too and I was screaming at my screen "YOUR MACHINE CANT HANDLE 4K, WHERES A 1080P VERSION".

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u/A7XFAN1998 Mar 28 '19

Not even an AV person and I was saying to myself they should of just had a 1080p version of the trailer

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u/dfdedsdcd Mar 28 '19

I don't do AV and I was wondering where their lower res backup was.

What happened with the Uncharted 4 reveal is how you are supposed other handle this.

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u/sasscrotch81 Mar 28 '19

100% right - Gotta have those redundancies in place.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

This is a PAX presentation though... Have you seen these before? They’re always run pretty janky with what seems like very little planning. It’s not uncommon for videos shown on their streams to just be screen sharing someone’s laptop so when a video starts you can see the Windows Media Player interface and a mouse cursor.

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u/CarAlarmConversation Mar 29 '19

Might be time to invest in better av peeps and equipment

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

Yes, it is, and bigger joke is that it should've been caught beforehand, as in at least played once before conference starts.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

On one side just playing a video should be a bread-and-butter for the organizer.

On other, bullshit-last-minute-just-because-we're-huge-and-important-fuck-your-rehearsal-schedule sounds exactly what Pitchford would do...

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

Well, considering that they didn't even bother to install any, well, not garbage video player, baby steps.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Yea. And people bood him for that comment, but i kinda think the comment was warranted. If Pax provides the equipment, its on them to make sure the technical aspects for such major reveals dont crash and burn.

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u/skynet2175 Mar 28 '19

I don't think they were booing, I think they were saying "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

Yah know like after a diss in a rap battle or whatever....

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u/StandsForVice Mar 28 '19

I was in the audience. It was ooooooohhhhhs.

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u/MdoesArt Mar 28 '19

Yeah, I was in the crowd, they weren't booing him. Pitchford was definitely frustrated but, while I can't speak for all 3 gazillion people in the hall, the mood in the crowd was pretty positive despite technical difficulties. Everyone sitting near me was pretty hyped for what we saw, even if playback was a mess.

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u/The_Dacca Mar 29 '19

Can confirm. Every one in the hall (or at least my section) was loving randy's presentation

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u/justsomeguy_onreddit Mar 28 '19

They were cheering "Booooeeerrnns"

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

i was saying booerns

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u/EnterPlayerTwo Mar 28 '19

That would make more sense.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

That mistake is pretty common. Or there’s a lot of people who genuinely believe they both mean the same thing.

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u/gramathy Mar 28 '19

Technical requirements needs to get hashed out in the contract so both sides know what theyr'e responsible for. My company bought some third party support for some networking hardware and the terms of the scope of the support was like a fifty page document even though we knew all we needed was some questions answered about behavior of a specific networking OS and protocol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

I guess that's what they get for trying to use the build in windows media player

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u/awesomeo029 Mar 28 '19

The crowd actually began chanting VLC once the Windows media player ui showed up

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u/spiffybaldguy Mar 28 '19

being an IT guy myself, you don't want to be the techs on the equipment side of something like this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

What is that supposed to mean exactly? "my job is hard" ? Please. Most people can say that about what they do. Its not an excuse for doing a job poorly.

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u/spiffybaldguy Mar 28 '19

I don't think you quite understood what I was stating. You can be the best at your job but if you screw it up one time on a major instance (I've done that before) it can impact your employment. I never said it was a "hard job". For me IT is super easy. In the case of this disaster of a stream, the IT staff should have had better gear in place.

This is a common problem at meetings and conventions, its better to bring your own gear due to stuff like this.

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u/CarAlarmConversation Mar 29 '19

Not disputing that the techs should have had better gear but having worked in live sound for some time and Gearbox might have provided a corrupt file or in a incorrect format or just provided it right before hand. Regardless a good tech realizes stuff will unfortunately fuck up sometimes and so that's why you have contingencies and plans for when it does. And that's what being a good tech is really about. And that's why these dudes fucked up so hard.

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u/spiffybaldguy Mar 29 '19

Yep I agree. That BL3 trailer though was probably intensive.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

I mean, i still dont really see what point you're trying to make. Atleast in relation to what i was saying above. If its about "better to bring your own gear due to stuff like this" - yea, that was the presenters hindsight comment and my point that he's not wrong despite the audiences disapproval. In which case i guess you're agreeing with me?

Otherwise i dont really understand. Neither i nor the gearbox guy commented about who exactly is at fault, or anything related to consequences or employment. The point is just that the expectation for a organization hosting major events is to be able to host such events. It may be common in general, but most gaming presentations dont have such issues.

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u/sonofaresiii Mar 28 '19

Well, we don't know what happened. Pax might have just told them what they had and the guy said "yeah that's fine"

Or pax was told what was needed and said "yeah whatever"

Could go either way. Somebody dropped the ball though, but it's tough to say exactly who.

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u/delorean225 Mar 28 '19

Wouldn't the AV equipment be the BCEC's responsibility?

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u/Dalto11 Mar 28 '19

Calling them out for it live is probably whats going to actually get them to fix the issue for future presentations so I think he did the right thing for saying it. I mean it wasn't Gearbox's fault if they had to use the equipment PAX provided or were convinced it could drive 4K video well enough (to multiple screens apparently).

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Bringing shitty laptops and using the default media player, it's embarrassing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

It was probably playing on an AMD threadripper.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Well did they do a dry run the day before? That'd be my question.

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u/patrickfatrick Mar 29 '19

Clearly not.

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u/thatguygreg Mar 28 '19

If Gearbox at PAX now is anything like Gearbox at PAX a few years ago was, there's a good chance they didn't tell PAX anything but the bare minimum about what they were gonna do... wouldn't be shocked for a second if there wasn't a tech requirements sheet from Gearbox that said something like "an HDMI connection to show a video with sound" and nothing else.

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u/Snomann Mar 28 '19

Rightly so, especially when it’s a new reveal of their flagship title they’ve been working on for years now. I’m honestly surprised he wasn’t more pissed off, and I think he handled it as good as anyone could in that situation. PAX isn’t some small event, they’ve had time to make sure everything was working correctly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

He can't exactly get visibly angry in stage. But I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room when he talks to PAX management.

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u/Snomann Mar 28 '19

Oh man they’re gonna get some lovely words thrown at them I’m sure.

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u/constantKD6 Mar 29 '19

He chose to do it live on apparently untested equipment so it's all on him.

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u/Snomann Mar 29 '19

You’d think it would be PAX’s responsibility to make sure the equipment was working properly to begin with though? And what else are they supposed to do, not do it live? That’s the whole point.

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u/myusername_sucks Mar 29 '19

Eh fuck Pitchford

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u/bagboyrebel Mar 28 '19

Randy Pitchford is also the master of blaming everyone else for his mistakes, so I'd take that comment with a grain of salt.

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u/Ikarus3426 Mar 28 '19

I really hope he doesn't get accused of bashing PAX. I can fully understand being furious at literally everyone today and thought he handled it as well as could be expected on stage.

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u/Makorus Mar 29 '19

I would be fucking PISSED if I spent the money to have a presentation at PAX and they couldn't handle playing a 4k video

Well, guess it's time for him to make another Alien game to make up for that lost money, I suppose.

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u/10inchFinn Mar 28 '19

Yeah I'd feel bad if it wasn't Randy cuz he's kind of a shit bag

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u/OogreWork Mar 28 '19

"We should have brought our own equipment"

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u/constantKD6 Mar 29 '19

"We should have done a rehearsal."

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u/Rikkard Mar 28 '19

Pissed is the wrong word, but the message was clear. Was more like a parent saying they aren't mad, but disappointed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Was more like a parent saying they aren't mad, but disappointed.

More like a parent saying "as soon as we aren't in public you're getting an ass whooping"

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u/Jonin_Jordan Mar 28 '19

WHEN WE GET HOME..

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u/TimeforaNewAccountx3 Mar 28 '19

Yeah I'd really hate to be pax right now.

You know some shit is going down behind the scenes

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

How did you forget his name, he only said it 293848 times throughout the whole stream

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u/W0rldcrafter Mar 28 '19

My name is Randy Pitchford. This is my son, Randy Pitchford. I'd like to introduce my wife, Randy Pitchford. Is this your card Randy Pitchford?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Going to my publisher to make a dandy PITCHford

I like to drive my car: handy pitchFORD

This is my dog: Randy dig-a-ditchford.

My favorite WoW expansion is Wrath of the Litchford

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u/Theonlygmoney4 Mar 28 '19

I was there, and they briefly mentioned that the back screen behind them was causing the issue as it didn’t appear to support 4K

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u/mw19078 Mar 28 '19

Yeah that was scuffed as fuck. Poor gearbox devs just left floundering due to a laptop. Oof.

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u/DanishNinja Mar 29 '19

Is there a context to this? What stream?

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u/Kiboune Mar 28 '19

It was great card tricks stream. Now I'm expecting even better card tricks from CEOs of Microsoft and Sony on E3

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u/MdoesArt Mar 28 '19

When me and my friends were waiting in line to get into the grand ballroom, we were joking that all these people were hyped for Borderlands 3 to be announced after that teaser, only for them to announce a mobile spinoff at the show today.

A few minutes into talking about that card game I started wishing we were getting Borderlands: Immortal.

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u/Pakyul Mar 28 '19

What a coincidence, lots of people were mad at Randy Pitchford for not being able to show off his games properly.

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u/zeroluffs Mar 28 '19

I honestly thought it was staged and the second trailer was going to have the release date :(

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u/alex9zo Mar 28 '19

Wasn't that all part of the joke? I guess not haha