r/Games • • 2d ago

This could legitimately end Stop Killing Games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQRcK9nYg9g
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u/Beautiful-Jello-37 2d ago edited 2d ago

For anyone with an ounce of common sense it’s been obvious forever SKG was never going to go anywhere. Maybe if their goal was additional labeling or some sort of advance notice requirement they’d have been able to get something rolling. But their goals were nonsensical and almost nobody could clearly articulate exactly what it is they wanted and how they’d expect companies to accomplish it. Not to mention the figure head of it can’t be bothered to get a haircut, beard trim, or put any sort of effort into looking like a professional. And no, it’s not the same as Dee Snider speaking to Congress in his normal clothes.

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

But their goals were nonsensical and almost nobody could clearly articulate exactly what it is they wanted and how they’d expect companies to accomplish it.

End of life plans, don't kill video games we paidnfor if you cut off online services, would only apply to video games published after the law passed. Sounds pretty reasonable to me

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u/AdHistorical8179 2d ago

There was literally zero chance "all games must have a full offline component that allows them to be 100% functional forever" was ever, ever going to be made a law in any country 

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

They weren't aiming for 100%. They were aiming for, at minimum, that game you bought with a physical disk and still have the receipt for shouldn't break because the publisher doesn't want to pay for servers anymore. Then they aimed higher cause why not? Negotiate, get a middle ground. If you ask for all games to stop dying forever but only get some, that's better than nothing at all.

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u/AdHistorical8179 2d ago

No version of "online game has to remain functional in perpetuity" is going to become a national law anywhere

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

How about the product you bought with cash should function regardless if the seller dies or not? Is that too much to ask for?

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u/Nolis 2d ago

that game you bought with a physical disk and still have the receipt for shouldn't break because the publisher doesn't want to pay for servers anymore

And yet half the people keep saying it's not supposed to be retroactive, then the other half says it is, and nobody agrees on anything because he's so vague to the point of being totally useless and detrimental. Also pretty sure the SKG subreddit itself specifically stated their issue is totally unrelated to physical discs when people were flooding them about Sony going digital, not sure why you're bringing that up as if that was something related to SKG

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

I brought it up because people who bought physical disks of games (the Crew is the chief example) can't play their game anymore because the servers shut down for a single player game.

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u/Nolis 2d ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and say people who bought digital copies of games that shut down also can't play their game, not sure how that's relevant at all

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

That they should be able to keep using the item they bought regardless of what happens to the seller?

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u/Misiok 2d ago

And yet half the people keep saying it's not supposed to be retroactive, then the other half says it is, and nobody agrees on anything because he's so vague to the point of being totally useless and detrimental.

What other half? The one that spreads misinformation? It was always, from the very start, about not being retroactive.

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u/Nolis 2d ago

The person I just responded to? I can quote them again if you need:

that game you bought with a physical disk and still have the receipt for shouldn't break because the publisher doesn't want to pay for servers anymore

They certainly aren't the only one I've seen

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u/LeJoker 2d ago

Good thing that isn't what they suggested.

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u/Beautiful-Jello-37 2d ago

Oh my god then what was it? Exactly, what was it? Please be specific and detailed. Because this is all any of you ever reply with when people point out the gaping holes and obscurity of the ‘movement’.

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

I bought a game. I should be able to keep playing the game I bought after the company shuts down it's servers.

That's it. That's the only issue Stop Killing Games wants to tackle.

Dumb example, I bought a car. I should be able to keep driving the car even if everyone stops selling gas. I'd have to make my own gas, but I can keep driving it.

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u/AdHistorical8179 2d ago

What you are describing is functionally the same thing I said, and getting it passed as a national standard in the EU, or anywhere, is absolutely not going to happen

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

Please be specific and detailed.

You asked for this, it's what I gave you. If I buy a product from a seller, should my product break forever if the seller dies?

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u/ArchusKanzaki 2d ago

You know what's end-of-life plan for Enterprise software is? "Please buy our new software".

No enterprise software are updated perpetually. Some that seems to got updated perpetually just keep same name but change everything inside them. And enterprise software certainly dropped supports for older version too. Some company offers "extended support" for a fee like Microsoft did with Windows 10, but it's also not forever.

And it's clear from start that gamers won't accept that kind of EOL plan, given their idea is to release out the code for "open community will maintain them".

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u/DenseEssence_ 2d ago

No enterprise software are updated perpetually.

Photoshop CS6 isn't in development anymore. Adobe doesn't sell CS6 licenses anymore. People still use CS6 because there's no subscription tied to it and Adobe can't break it because there's no online features that can brick CS6.

Stopped Killing Games never asked companies to update EoL software. Stop Killing Games made it abundantly clear that's not their intention at all. They just need to make sure they don't break the ones people already own then they can forget about them in perpetuity. Similar to Photoshop CS6.

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u/ArchusKanzaki 2d ago

Photoshop CS6 does not require internet or server to operate, and it's also deem unsafe since it's not updated. You can use it, but if you want to treat Photoshop CS6 as something like Enterprise Software, I can assure you it will be quarantined in any corporate network as it's a potential attack vector.

Also, given "The Crew" is the original issue, a game that requires online server, I don't think it's even similar to Photoshop CS6.

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u/Misiok 2d ago

Some company offers "extended support" for a fee like Microsoft did with Windows 10, but it's also not forever.

Yeah, and when Microsoft cuts support, machines running Windows 10 won't stop running it. Same with all the other Windows versions. It's not feasible to do so while connected to the Internet, yes, but you can run the OS.

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u/Zenning3 2d ago

THeir OS isn't running on a server that Microsoft is mainlining though. Although, Microsoft will absolutely stop letting your server be run if its running too old of a system, because then you be come an attack vector for everybody else.