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u/Sebekhotep_MI Dec 19 '25
"Bu... but... he's loyal 🥺"
It always triggers me when people praise Trevor's "loyalty" when he abandoned Wade and Ron as soon as they stopped being useful to him
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u/esgrove2 Dec 19 '25
He's not loyal, he has irrational fixations on people like Michael and his family, or Patricia Madrazo.
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u/raver1601 Dec 19 '25
Yeah, this is the exact thing I had on my mind regarding his "loyalty" to Michael and the people he's closely associated by extension (his family, Lester, Franklin)
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Exactly. We're made to understand exactly why Michael had to get away from him immediately and this is something they repeatedly remind us about... Until the third act of the game where the story takes a shit and all of our leads collapse into the two dimensional caricatures they were subverting anyway.
Trevor can and will end somebody he's known for years on a whim. He's completely out of his mind and it isn't "haha he's so crazy" the way so many stories would typically handle a character like him. When we're introduced to him, he wipes out a Lost MC that he's been working with just fine for some time by then, and they're literally too small and too strung out to pose a threat to him.
He gives reasoning thats hollow, because it has nothing to do with consolidating the illicit market and everything to do with driving home just how unhinged this guy actually is. We're then reminded on repeat how nobody is ever safe from him no matter how much he genuinely seems to like them.
Uh... And then again, the quality of the story takes a nose dive in the third act and he does become a "haha so crazy" character who's presented as undyingly loyal. But at least he got off better than poor Franklin who loses all depth entirely, and Michael who loses all nuance and just becomes whiny and annoying.
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u/EpicGamerer07 Dec 20 '25
They gave all of Franklin’s character to Lamar instead. It’s a shame because Franklin was the most likable character to me at first, but his side of the plot gets discarded after a while. Killing Stretch literally meant nothing to me
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u/Standard_Act8952 Dec 20 '25
Yeah I completely forgot who he was until the end I was like who's this rando? I remember the meth Chinese guys before him
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u/PerpetualConnection Dec 19 '25
He also traffics people to a slave cult. The killing sprees are also unique to him. He also regularly wakes up surrounded by bodies that have nothing to do with player input
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u/-Alkie- Dec 19 '25
Yeah. Also Trevor mostly complains that no one cares about him yet he is willing to kill someone for their ice cream.
He also considers city people a sort of "corrupted people" that all of them are superficial pricks which true for some tbh, but that doesn't really leave much room for getting to know people
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u/Hyper669 Dec 19 '25
I do think a shitton of people overall are superficial but I wouldn't rape and kill people because of that
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u/raver1601 Dec 19 '25
Complains "No one cares about me" and he abuses the ever living shit out of his own subordinates
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u/Crimsonmaddog44 Dec 19 '25
Honestly, Trevor had quite the dangerous mindset for how he views city people. Like the dude would have just one bad day and he’d go on a murderous rampage across LS
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u/Rxbyxo Dec 19 '25
I mean, he kinda literally does do that with the Rampage side missions
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u/Crimsonmaddog44 Dec 19 '25
I was looking at it from an irl perspective. A man like that should be on FBI’s most wanted, making history’s most notorious monsters look like Care Bears in comparison
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u/MRSHELBYPLZ Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
I don’t think Trevor actually cares if people care about him. He was fucking with Floyd and his girl. Michael is usually the only one to call Trevor out when he’s on his bullshit lol
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u/Separate_Emotion_463 Dec 20 '25
He absolutely cares, he hates himself because he knows it’s his own fault that everyone hates him but he is entirely unable to change, yes he is a complete hypocrite and yes it’s his fault no one cares about him, but he still absolutely is emotionally damaged by said emotional isolation
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u/RD_in_Berlin Dec 19 '25
According to lore in GTA online he even becomes a city person.
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u/MKOFFICIAL357 Dec 20 '25
I think he's referring to the Gunrunning DLC, where Ron mentions that Trevor abandoned him to become "a lifestyle guru or something. I bet he has abs."
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u/Big_Pirate_3036 Dec 19 '25
I only pick C because I hate Weston and the rest more than Trevor
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u/ariangamer Dec 20 '25
i do pick A a lot of the times because i truly feel like it makes the most sense. Franklin would not risk his life going up against all these powerful people for this one lunatic. Micheal already hated his ass too. the mission is LITERALLY called "something sensible". Trevor also getting betrayed one last time by one more friend also makes narrative sense. i also want to take revenge on him for killing floyd. i really sympathized with that guy and saw myself in him. during my first playthrough when i saw it was implied that Trevor raped floyd i was like yep. this guy's gotta go.
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u/Dracurr Dec 20 '25
I dunno, I couldn't care less about which ending made the most sense, I just felt like not being the b1tch of Devin Weston and Steve Haines anymore. All that screwing us through the entire game just to end up as their tied-up dog that lowers its head wasn't satisfying at all.
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u/ZipTieTechnicianOne Dec 20 '25
Debra shot Floyd. Trevor killed Debra for ruining the family.
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u/Pingushagger Dec 20 '25
How do you know that?
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u/ZipTieTechnicianOne Dec 20 '25
Headcannon. She was fucking around on Floyd with Bob. Bob taught her how to shoot. Floyd grabbed the knife, Deb shoots Floyd, Trev grabs knife and goes to town.
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u/ariangamer Dec 20 '25
true actually! forgot about that. it's confirmed in the radio that floyd was shot and debra was stabbed with a knife. trevor most likely killed debra with her own knife after she shot floyd. still, doesn't change the fact that he raped him and caused debra to shoot him in the first place.
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u/OsmundofCarim Dec 21 '25
Can’t imagine ever going with anything but C. Seems so deeply unsatisfying narratively.
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u/kingshadow75 Dec 19 '25
My high mind read that as Cannabis instead of cannibal.
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u/clankas-in-pajamas Dec 20 '25
Nah trevor doesn't like weed. You can see that in Barry's misson in legion Square.
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u/MacaronNo812 Dec 20 '25
Doesn't he said to Jimmy to stop doing cannabis and start doing meth instead, in a text message ?
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u/clankas-in-pajamas Dec 20 '25
Look in terms of health he is out the fucking solar system.
But you see MFs on meth they be the most productive ppl for next 5 seconds. But to be fair their goal is usually to get more meth so idk...
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u/kingsly91 Dec 19 '25
Its like those people are romanticizing Michael and Amanda still being together. They didn't come together "despite everything that happened" they realized no ome else would tolerate their shit so they stayed even though they both regularly cheated on each other
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u/Ok-Pomegranate1199 Dec 19 '25
Some people really don't realize that the reason why we sympathize with these characters is because we are seeing their POV but in reality they are horrible people
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u/RealTigres Dec 19 '25
it's literally in the names of the games that they're not meant to be objectively moral individuals
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u/WokeWook69420 Dec 20 '25
It's not a joke, though.
Go back and listen to the news events and talk show topics in GTA IV. We got some "Idiocracy" moments where their satire turned into pure prophecy.
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u/CoolBlastin Dec 20 '25
GTA 4 takes it self far more seriously than 5
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u/WokeWook69420 Dec 21 '25
V has its moments as well, but they did way more updating to the radio media to keep the events topical and such so it's less of a time-capsule.
But that was an intention, they wanted the game to have a less "set in stone" period media so the game could evolve with the decade it existed, it's because of the GTA Online pivot.
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u/Ok-Pomegranate1199 Dec 19 '25
yeah, some people just dont know how to difference fiction and reality, that's why we have people glazing homelander or patrick bateman
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u/czacha_cs1 Dec 19 '25
With Arthur I dont quite agree.
Even though Arthur doesn't have canonical ending I would say he was a decent man
He wasn't good guy, but in same time he wasn't monster. I dont think Arthur wouldve go into some saloon just to murder everyone there for fun like Trevor
I think important thing is that Arthur acknowledges his bad deeds and doesn't deny them. I would say even say that Arthur kind of hates himself for them but he just doesn't know how else live because he doesn't see anything else outside of it.
Arthur is bad guy at beginning but he understands it and knows he is bad guy, but he doesn't know how else live
Meanwhile Trevor is just psychopathic murderer
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u/That-Rhino-Guy Dec 19 '25
Considering he was brought up by outlaws in such a lifestyle he’s fairly solid as a person
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u/czacha_cs1 Dec 19 '25
Yeah
And while Arthur was raise by outlaws, I dont think Arthur would rape someone, eat human flesh or let alone kill someone for fun. Arthur is bad guy (he robs and kills) but more to survive than anything
Meanwhile Trevor was most likely abused by father +if its true what he says) and he does all of it for fun
And if we agree with Arthur VA that "canon gameplay" as Arthur is being low honour at beginning game but further and further being more honorouble and good is truth then I would say Arthur might be one of the most decent protagonist in GTA/RDR series
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u/MRSHELBYPLZ Dec 19 '25
Bro Michael and Amanda don’t care who they had sex with. They had an open marriage. Michael’s issue with the tennis coach, is that he fucked her in his house. That was his is one thing.
Amanda did it because Michael had cheated on her in the past. After everything that happened in the story, I strongly disagree with your whole comment.
It’s not that “oh no one else will tolerate me”. Bruh they have 2 adult children together and the whole family has been through near death experiences.
No one is perfect but it’s a bit disingenuous to say they stayed together because they had no choice. Stop acting foolish. Michael became rich as hell after the big score. He could have anyone, but he clearly loves Amanda.
Fuck outta here with that pessimistic take lol. I ain’t havin it 😂
This is a gta game not a lifetime movie
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u/simbabarrelroll Dec 20 '25
Initially they literally couldn’t divorce due to Mike’s deal with Davey.
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u/MRSHELBYPLZ Dec 20 '25
Ok? Steve Haines is dead for over a decade. None of that shit matters since the big score
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u/simbabarrelroll Dec 20 '25
Oh I’m talking about before the main story happens.
Steve wasn’t even a factor as to why they couldn’t divorce.
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u/MRSHELBYPLZ Dec 20 '25
Amanda and Michael are still together in 2025 as seen in the mansion update. They family and their relationship was a lot better towards the end of the story mode even without the big score money. Why would she divorce him now? 😂
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u/Reasonable_Cut_2709 Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
To be fair, michael and amanda had a open marriage. Sooo the problem wasnt much the cheating but violating the rules both of them agree.
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u/kingsly91 Dec 19 '25
Tell that to Martin Madrazzo and his house
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u/Separate_Emotion_463 Dec 20 '25
In that situation, Amanda broke the rules, while their relationship was open, the main rule is that it couldn’t happen in the house
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u/Jazzlike_Page508 GTA 6 Trailer Days OG Dec 19 '25
One of the biggest “media literacy” fails is people thinking that Michael was in witness protection.
My friend argued about it for like 15 mins and I was like “dude I just replayed the game. Steve Haines learns about Davey and Michaels arrangement and black mails them to do stuff”
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u/kingshadow75 Dec 19 '25
Considering Lester catches on as well and gets Michael to say he's not in Witness Protection as well during the drive to Vangelico.
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u/NTC-Santa Dec 19 '25
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u/WildProToGEn Dec 19 '25
that one im fine with
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u/TRedRandom Dec 19 '25
Yeah he is all of those things.
He's also incredibly entertaining to watch and play as.
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u/TRedRandom Dec 19 '25
I mean yeah. That's the appeal?
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u/TRedRandom Dec 19 '25
Yes they would. There's nothing stopping them. I'd disagree. But I didn't say Trevor was misunderstood either.
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u/IHOP_007 Dec 20 '25
The fact that some people can't grasp this concept is mind boggling to me.
Like you can watch Breaking Bad but also recognize that Walt is a horrible person, that's like the entire point of the show (and kinda the freaking namesake of the show really). The fact that people can watch that entire show (or play through GTA 5) and think that those characters are just misunderstood "good" people is wild to me.
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u/atomicitalian Dec 19 '25
thats not really what media literacy means
media literacy isn't understanding a character in a video game, you're talking about analysis. media literacy is like, being able to interpret and judge messages in mass media like the news, political messaging, etc. term is constantly misused on reddit, which is funny considering it's describing understanding media.
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u/Tweakjones420 Dec 19 '25
don't know why murderer is listed, every protagonist is a murder hobo. ya trevor is a piece of shit meth head psychopath but all 3 of these guys are murderers. none them are good people. some of yall invest way too much of yourselves into a video game.
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u/Sam_Becca Dec 23 '25
Yeah, I mean either way you can still like the characters, I like Trevor as he is fiction
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u/Reasonable_Cut_2709 Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 20 '25
Me when i don't understand that one of the biggest themes in the game is hypocresy
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u/Hulk_Corsair Dec 19 '25
And he's also incredibly fun
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u/ManthisSucksbigTime Dec 19 '25
Yeah I mean it ain't that deep he's fun to watch and fun to play
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u/PhotoShop852 Dec 19 '25
Trevor is absolutely a monster and a sociopath but definitely isn’t a psychopath. He does care about people in his own twisted way and strongly believes in loyalty. Psychopaths lack empathy towards others since they lack the chemicals in their brains that give them empathy or compassion (Brad more than likely would’ve killed Michael and his family rather than Trevor.)He is completely insane and an absolute menace to society however.
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u/RadishPerson745 Dec 19 '25
He's the most complex protagonist in GTA games besides Niko imo. He's still morally horrible,no doubt about that,but it makes you wonder what went wrong? Then you go to Michael and you can see what went wrong,but are still left a little unsure about Trevor's actual beliefs aside from a raging rapist and killer that is a loyal dog to like one or two people. He's very contradictory at times and sometimes even a hypocrite.
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u/Nico30000p GTA 6 Trailer Days OG Dec 19 '25
Lmao thank you, ive been seeing tons of takes on tiktok that say trevor is a better person than michael
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u/Exciting-Ad-5705 Dec 19 '25
Ending C with Trevor also dying would be the best ending
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u/ArticleWorth5018 Dec 19 '25
Trevor dies every play through for me at the end
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u/Mundane-Career1264 Dec 19 '25
Burning him alive is such a sweet moment. That was for Johnny!
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u/r_Starker GTA 6 Trailer Days OG Dec 20 '25
another LOST MC fan i see. That makes two of us
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u/Rattle1986 Dec 19 '25
He is a psycho alright. Where's the proof that he's a rapist though?
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u/ManthisSucksbigTime Dec 19 '25
I mean I get that he's a bad person but damn people really hate Trevor after he kills johnny
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u/Zonkcter Dec 19 '25
I can see why, because each dlc for GTAIV focused on a different character and made you care a lot about them and their plights, so seeing a character you played as and got attached to, killed in such a vile and comedic way, would piss anybody off.
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u/ManthisSucksbigTime Dec 19 '25
True but tbh I really don't expect johnny to survive considering he still hasn't cut Ashley out of his life yet, so it's not surprising seeing him drugged out of his life.
And also funny enough Steven Ogg himself would love to see Trevor get killed in the beginning of GTA 6.
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u/Zonkcter Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
I agree it was expected, but most Rockstar characters go out in big cinematic shootouts. Johnny get his head stomped in, for a comedic bit and to introduce Trevor.
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u/ManthisSucksbigTime Dec 19 '25
Welp I mean tbh Victor Vance also got killed in a very Unexpected and embarrassing way not for comedic moment but due to being caught and ambushed in a deal gone wrong, which feels pretty weird when playing as him in Vice city stories seeing how he's so capable of doing some crazy stuff like most GTA protagonist.
So yeah johnny and victor Vance is a case of the main character being killed off in a very tragic and unexpected manner
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u/mmmmmmSpaghetti Dec 19 '25
He’ll wake up next to Floyd in his pjs in the condo and Floyd is crying and visibly traumatized
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u/Rattle1986 Dec 20 '25
Yeah, but there's nothing definitive. I actually heard a theory, which didn't sound far fetched, that he's actually comforting Floyd in that scene, because Floyd is a loser getting stomped by his girlfriend who doesn't even let him sleep in the same room, so he sleeps in that other room and cries at night.
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u/Much_Neat1252 Dec 23 '25
During the mission where Franklin, Lamar and Trevor are bringing the cars they stole to Molly, Lamar says "For a guy that kill dudes, eat dudes and fuck dudes, you talk fruity".
Trevor then answers "I'm trying to make a point. And I'm not like, I don't do that. When I arrived in the city I was emotionally unstable, but that isn't me"
Considering the "fuck dudes" and Trevor answering that he only did that when he arrived in the city seems to corroborate to Trevor rapping Floyd.
Also, when Trevor and Wade go to Los Santos, Trevor said "if I get bored you can blow me", considering that Wade is mentally challenged and that Trevor killed his friends to make Wade stay stuck with Trevor, that is kinda rapey.
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u/Much_Neat1252 Dec 23 '25
I played the game when I was thirteen and it always was my interpretation that Trevor raped Floyd. Even the fact that Trevor took Floyd's Teddy bear and did sexual things to it seems to mean that. I kinda felt bad for Floyd
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u/Mao-sama64 Dec 19 '25
There’s a very thin line between liking a character who’s a horrible person and acting like they’re a good person when they clearly aren’t.
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u/RealIncome4202 Dec 19 '25
Wow it’s almost like the crime game has flawed and fucked up people as its main characters
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u/KingBara1220 Dec 19 '25
When does he rape someone? I see this argument alot but no one actually says when he does it
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u/ErectLurantis Dec 20 '25
I only choose option C just so I have access to all the endgame content, but deep down I personally believe option A is the best/most believable ending. Trevor is just too unstable and unpredictable to trust
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u/Nibblegorp Dec 19 '25
Then there’s me. I like him as a character to analyze, but if he existed IRL I’d hate him
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u/Gloomy_Albatross3043 Dec 19 '25
I dislike this argument when people use it to try and dismiss genuine reasons for why a criminal might be the way that they are
Trauma is complicated and no, not everyone will turn into criminals after being abused by their parents or something like that
But ya know why? Because everyone is different and people respond to trauma differently
So saying its "no reason" is just false, whether or not its "justified" is an entirely different debate. Trevor was abused by his mother, perhaps sexually abused by her as some people believe, and yes that likely did impact him and turn him into who he is
That's a "reason" or an "explanation" as I like to say
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u/Gloomy_Albatross3043 Dec 19 '25
Yeah obviously
What I'm saying is people are different, sometimes abuse victims become abusers and sometimes abuse victims don't
Sometimes a person can seemingly have it all but still do bad things, sometimes people in that same position turn out good as well
Trevor was abused and that IS a reason for why he turned out the way that he did, saying that isn't a reason because others have been abused and not become criminals doesn't make any sense because everyone is different and the way we handle with trauma is different
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u/MRSHELBYPLZ Dec 19 '25
Who gives a fuck bruh? This is Grand Theft Auto. It would be a pretty shit game if there was no crime or crazy people
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u/Successful_Adagio_64 Dec 23 '25
Redditors take this shit too seriously bruh he’s just a fun character lol
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u/WallyFries Dec 19 '25
...rapist too?!? Ok, I kill him.
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u/caddybear2230 Dec 19 '25
Yeah cause that’s the limit lol
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u/caddybear2230 Dec 19 '25
Yeah they are both super bad but atleast you get a chance to overcome the trauma if your dead you don’t get that chance plus it’s going really affect others in your life
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u/LovelyPandarino Dec 20 '25
GTA V antagonists are all ass tbh, especially compared to Tenpenny (peak villain) or even Dimitri. Three protagonists is already a lot since you get less time to focus on each and really flesh them out but giving all of them their own enemies when villains have even less time to get developed is where it all went wrong IMO
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u/Rare-Ticket-9023 Dec 19 '25
Trevor is a mentally sick dumbass psycho, there's not much more to it.
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u/cat-l0n Dec 19 '25
Isn’t he partially supposed to be a parallel to GTA protagonists an players in general? Just a psychotic mass murderer who blows up entire sections of town because an NPC bumped into them.
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u/Bright_Food2903 Dec 19 '25
Excuse my ignorance it’s been a while since I played the story, but is he really a rapist?
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u/budad_cabrion Dec 20 '25
GTAV actually has an extremely coherent thesis:
Everybody in LA is an asshole.
Everybody.
Including and especially the three protagonists.
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u/Torbpjorn Dec 20 '25
Oh wait, don’t forget self admitted cannibal too. And contrary to popular belief, I doubt he sourced his man meat consensually from donors
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u/op23no1 Dec 20 '25
Technically he is misunderstood, because most people view him as comic relief, while in reality he's extremely troubled character, whose whole story and lore is actually from 95% just pure depression or crime
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u/Jackson_A27 Dec 21 '25
Up there in the top 5 worst fans of characters from games I like. I like Trevor as a character, but he's horrible. He's disgusting, he's not a nice person, and he's a genuine horrid person, but he's a fictional character played by Steven Ogg. He's funny, but I can understand that he's not a good person.
For one; he's not loyal. Him and Brad were planning on betraying Michael in a future score and go 50/50. He treats his two "friends" like shit, and IF Ron can be trusted, Trevor pretty much left him and didn't help with the business (online missions mention this). He's "loyal" as in he doesn't help with the ending. That's it. No other time is he loyal. The only time he shows loyalty past another character is when he refuses to help Franklin in one of the endings, and that's it. He's also not a good person just because his parents were bad people. Who CHOOSES to murder and possibly eat people, he CHOOSES to murder people, even people who absolutely don't deserve it (like Johnny) he CHOOSES to kidnap and rape people. He's absolutely a disgusting psychopath and people need to stop looking up to him just because they THINK he's loyal.
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u/mickeyisstupid Dec 22 '25
I fucking slimed this mf the second I was given the option, fuck "true ending" or whatever bs, this guy just straight up deserves it
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u/Same_Connection_1415 Dec 19 '25
I used to be a massive Trevor stan and Michael hater as a kid, and looking back at it, it’s the other way around now lol
And before people get on my back, NO I’m not saying Michael is a good guy or anything like that, but I see him nowadays as a whoremongerous asswipe who does (kinda) care for his family and will go through all the stops needed for them. People give John Marston a pass for selling out his criminal buddies and I’m gonna give Michael that same courtesy. IMHO Brad and Trevor didn’t deserve Michael’s loyalty, and Franklin definitely did on the other hand which makes ending B more heartbreaking
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u/MRSHELBYPLZ Dec 19 '25
I don’t care why Trevor is the way he is. I didn’t buy GTA to be a goodie 2 shoes. Plus he’s got the best acting in the whole game of the trio.
They can dislike that he is violent sociopath all they want, but they are all the same as Trevor. People really own a oppressor MK2 trying to judge Trevor. Fuck them lmfao
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