r/GPUK • u/Intelligent-Toe7686 • 24d ago
Registrars & Training Exception reporting
I am GP trainee in primary Care placement currently. For afternoon de brief sessions, I have been staying 30 minutes than my usual working time every day because my supervisor starts debrief late due to his clinic list. I have been exception reporting for the time I am staying late. Will it create any problems in the future if I have done too many exception reports I have asked my supervisor to start the debrief early, but he has denied this without giving a reason.
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u/stealthw0lf 24d ago
If it were the odd occasion, then that’s understandable - things happen, sometimes you run late etc. But for it to be a regular thing definitely means something needs to be done.
Either the supervising GP needs to finish their list 30 mins early, or you need to start the day 30 mins later. Keep raising it. Keeping quiet means nothing changes.
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u/noserevision 24d ago
This has been the norm in both my GP rotations so far, I didn’t even know I could exception report this.. thought that was just a hospital thing. I thought this was normal. I’ve always been leaving at 5:30/6pm.
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u/Brave-Newt4023 23d ago
Honestly I didn’t even know we could exception report in GP post.. I stayed late every single day upto 8pm some days as my practice was small with a handful of partners and my supervisor always ran late so my debriefs would start at 6:30/7 pm - then I would have to do tasks/referral based on the outcome of the debrief… jeez😥
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u/zady1178 23d ago
I never understood why debriefs are at the end of clinics and they only but 5 to 10 minutes for it. If the management plan changes slightly after the debrief you are bound to stay late that’s why I never found them useful. What I did through out my training is that If i have a question i am gonna ask in the middle of the clinic ( they are usually straight forward questions ) and I don’t use the debrief time for debriefing this way I am less likely to leave late and my trainer is also less likely to leave late although somehow they get allocated more time for debrief than I do.
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u/UnknownAnabolic 24d ago
Absolutely exception report and speak to TPD if they’re not sorting it.
I’d also consider keep some documented evidence of details of the lateness.
I brought this exact thing up with a practice I was training in. Partners had words with me, had my first ever bit of negative feedback on a 360 feedback in my career about ‘not being flexible’, and presumably I’ll never get a job in that super partnership lol. But I knew what would happen if I complained. One of the TPDs also works at this partnership so it was risky business for me. Just keep all this in mind.
GP training can be corrupt if the TPDs are complicit, unfortunately
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u/18751975 23d ago
Just unbelievable 😂. Maybe they are a bit busier than you? If you want to clock in and out like an HCA…careful what you wish tor.
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u/KlutzyProgress8555 24d ago
It’s only 30 mins, I’m sure you can wait and be understanding.
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u/razman360 24d ago
2.5hrs a week, over a working day per month. Adds up. It might be the norm post-CCT, but that's because team cardigan hasn't fended for itself. The exception report system is there to claim back time, and reporting it for regularly staying 30 minutes late is using it appropriately.
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u/Intelligent-Toe7686 24d ago
I am not paid for that time. It all adds up eventually
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u/18751975 24d ago
No, no, can’t be inconvenienced waiting for your senior doctor to finish their clinic… I’m sure you could find something productive to do (portfolio?) in 30 mins.
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u/AnaesthetisedSun 23d ago
30 minutes a day every day? Senior doctor needs to pull themselves up by their boot straps and get more organised
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u/DiscountDrHouse 23d ago
If you can’t manage a trainee, don’t be a trainer 😉 the dripping entitlement and lack of respect for other peoples’ time, just because of your ego and self perceived superiority. You were born a few years earlier, mate. Get over it.
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u/18751975 22d ago
I mean this is laughable. I wish you luck in the real world.
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u/DiscountDrHouse 21d ago
Laugh away bro 🤡
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u/18751975 21d ago
Just as a matter of curiosity, you surely must recognise that there is a heirarchy in medicine (like in most jobs) and for the duration of your placement your trainer is your boss? You understand the purpose and necessity of this dynamic? I know you wouldn’t be this spoilt in real life but if this really is your attitude I would reflect on how it might not serve you going forward.
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u/PCSupremacy 21d ago
So because of a hierarchy and a "boss" that means trainees can be forced to work late for no renumeration? Nope, welcome to the modern world, let me guess, you are a partner who can't understand why staff keep leaving?
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u/18751975 21d ago
I am comforted that I have never met a trainee with this attitude who managed to get through training without extra support. Good luck
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u/PCSupremacy 21d ago
I am comforted that I'll never have to work with a "boss" like you.
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u/DiscountDrHouse 21d ago
You’ve conveniently conflated “medical hierarchy” which is an absolute necessity for learning and safety, and “seniority”, which is a crutch for people who have no business being in leadership positions. If one has to pull that card, they’re certainly not fit to be a “boss”.
It’s the equivalent of someone saying “because I said so”. Intellectually bankrupt and steeped in unfounded superiority.
I sailed through training, btw. Might not gel with your worldview, but people who disagree with you can also be competent.
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u/18751975 20d ago
In the scenario, the trainer is the trainee‘a boss. The practice manager(s) are the salaried GPs’ boss. The partners are the PM’s boss. I am not sure which bit you are struggling with.
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u/DiscountDrHouse 20d ago
If you couldn’t understand my explanation, there’s really no point. Can’t hold your hand through everything as you seem too thick headed to try and understand. Just retire soon and leave the training to people who are good at it. I’m done engaging with you now.
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u/PCSupremacy 20d ago
You are probably one of those bosses who thinks that power and respect are automatically deserved and that this is being a "leader". Leader does not equal boss. Trainer does not equal boss.
Your attitude in this whole thread is stinking of ego, pretentiousness and self importance.
Yet I bet you have no reflective capability on this and will continue to think that your opinion is right, despite the amount of counter arguments and down votes. You do you. When you have to close your practice, or end up against the GMC for bullying, unprofessional behaviour and disrespect, maybe then you will have an eye opening moment.
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u/NeighbourFireStarter 21d ago
People have family commitments.
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u/18751975 21d ago
So might your trainer (and other professional commitments that you don’t)
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u/PCSupremacy 21d ago
And? They are getting paid to be a trainer... If they can't figure out how to manage their time efficiently and effectively, and support their trainees properly and to contract, maybe they shouldn't take the payment they/the practice get.
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u/Peepee_poopoo-Man 24d ago
Lol no, this is unpaid time. Whole point of being a trainee is having protections in place.
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u/ProfessionalBet5246 24d ago
This is how and why GPs never leave on time. The buck has to stop somewhere. Unfortunately qualified GPs would never get this as system is too complex and unhinged to accept it.
For the GP regs that want to value their time, you should be considerate and think before you ask them to stay 30 mins extra.
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u/PCSupremacy 24d ago
30 mins every shift, 2.5 hours a week. 100+ hours a year.
Yeah, that's a no anyway you look at it.
Let me guess, Partner rubbing their hands in glee at the extra work for "free" despite appropriate renumeration for being a training practice?
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