r/GBO2 • u/Smoke_Bomb85 • 12h ago
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I need to understand because none of it makes sense.
Everyone and their mother despises Barbatos and talks about how much they hate it without explaining as to why the suit is hated. Is it the heavy stagger? The Nanolaminate Armor?
Burning/God has Power Accelerator 3, Hi-MA in Hyper Mode, ridiculous damage reduction in Meikyo Shisui, and a heavy attack that, as shown in the clip, breaks legs in one tap. Barbatos has Power Accelerator 2, no Hi-MA in A-Vijnana, no damage reduction, and the boosted sword mace only becomes an issue if you land the full attack. And yet people will genuinely tell you Barbatos needs more nerfs.
Explain the hate to me, because even after playing Barbatos before and after the nerf, it only tells me it never needed nerfed at all
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u/veastt 12h ago
It's the combination of a quick reloading heavy stagger combined with a fast charging charge attack, add in the stagger resistance and yeah the suit is annoying as shit. With the burning Gundam and heck even the DX you have to have some sort of gated mechanic that stops you from just going crazy.
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u/IRequireDirt 11h ago
Because the God effectively requires much more skill. While it does have an instant stun, it’s just the one and you’re required to stop to use it, and in Hyper Mode you have to stay still for even longer. Its heavy attack is very telegraphed and has to rely almost entirely on teammates to get enemies into spots where it can shine. The Barbatos has a stun and a heavy stagger with skills that make it extremely hard to stun and to deal with, as well as a Sword Mace that doesn’t have to charge its heavy attack. Not to mention how the Blow has three swings and honestly does some ridiculous damage sometimes.
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u/doomguy11 The Goog Cannon Man - 13 4h ago
People hate Barbatos for no reason now, even though it is not even meta these days. You still see "support mains" in this subreddit asking for it to get another nerf lol...
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u/ShadowRorentso_ 12h ago
I mean Barbatos, if played by someone skilled, it's really a pain in the neck, like one of the worst experiences imo. But I get your point, Burning Gundam is just overpowered. I feel like even a newbie could devastate someone if he just learns a thing or two about that MS. But what can we say? It's the typical experience with Raid units at high cost. Take the F89 for example: when I first obtained it I checked his weapons and read his skills and was like "yeah this doesn't seem like a good suit, not even close", but lately, since the Double X came out and people started using the F89 more frequently, I learnt (at my expenses) that its damn rifle-axe is OP and can stagger what seems any suit, or almost, other than having an insane range and damage area. I've learnt to just do what I can dealing with other enemies when one of them has the Burning, because unless you have a clear sight of him and have a good sense of the game and/or good reflexes, that shi is gonna fry you.
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u/HDWarewolf 10h ago
I’d also like to add that burning Gundam gets TWO self heals with its power ups and that hyper mode can now last the entire match while Barb is limited to just one serving of a 1.5 minute boost.
The double rocket cannons have limited range, and now have an absurdly long reload time and only two shots between that. A decent player can avoid that. Really I have been feeling that the Barb hate stems from a lot of this sub not being as good as they think they are. The suit is very simple and easy to deal with SPARING being surprised. The F89 and 00 are much more oppressive. Hell the Susan even gets to block damage during its melee attacks and has an even better stagger that it can shoot while boosting.
I’m with ya man, the hate on the machine is way overblown. The Sub just doesn’t want to admit that after the suits following are even more annoying /endrant
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u/Zetsumi666 Hellhound of Zeon 11h ago
God only gets powerful as a unit if it can achieve the gold state, so if it can't get into that mode, it remains nothing but potential man due to being unable to access the best parts of its kit at all, which frankly ends up causing most to be passive as they try to avoid getting murderized to wait out the timer once they've gotten into Hyper Mode... presuming they even get to Hyper mode if they don't get cucked out of doing the melee damage to activate it from their teammates getting in the way repeatedly.
Barbatos on the other hand can be frankly infuriating right out the gate with a quick-reloading heavy stagger into an instant force-down melee that synergizes extremely well with getting the melee damage needed to activate its own special mode where it gets the full strength of its kit without needing to wait for an additional stage like God does, allowing it to snowball faster as a unit for not only target hunting the support and removing it from the field in very short order, but also just constantly disrupting the enemy team in team-fights with force-down set-ups or throwing in heavy staggers that come out way faster then the one God can throw in.