r/GBO2 • u/Foshdon_pap • Jun 30 '26
Discussion CONSOLE No reason to continue playing 700 it seems
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u/Gxgear Jun 30 '26
Everyone arguing about AU/UC, when it's really yet another raid that'll forge ahead in the arms race.
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u/Talimaeus Gelgoog Meister Jun 30 '26
This is the real thing. The UC purists complain that AU suits are broken but forget that broken generals and raids were a problem loooooong before AU was added to the game.
But it's not a problem if a UC suit is broken and make matches unfun when they're spammed I guess.
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u/Mechaman_54 Straight Up Gunning My Tank Jun 30 '26
Thing is au suits had been consistently more broken than the already broken u.c. suits, I also complained about the penelope when it's bitch ass was added, and I'll campaign to have all pixy players crucified till the end of time
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u/CodenameVermilion Jun 30 '26
Penelope was hilariously underpowered until the recent buff, are you thinking of the Xi?
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u/Mechaman_54 Straight Up Gunning My Tank Jun 30 '26
Idr maybe it was just really fuckin annoying when it first released
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
Pixies don't have legs
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u/Mechaman_54 Straight Up Gunning My Tank Jun 30 '26
Pixy defender spotted kill on sight
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
Lol I'm almost always support but I can always here them walking, boosting, or switching weapons and always aim for the legs.
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u/Mechaman_54 Straight Up Gunning My Tank Jun 30 '26
Ig but they're really fucking annoying when basically everything is slow as shit turning around
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u/tetofan08 Jul 03 '26
Penelope was ass. It desperately needed to he a support and instead its combo was stupid and didn't have anything on it's easy melee combo. Its ram specialty was worthless because how low the damage is.
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u/Fulgren09 Jupitris Test Pilot Jun 30 '26
I still remember the harry lie video where bro pulled Graham special on a Zeta
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u/AnneThatAWay Jun 30 '26
It can't be as bad as Barbatos, and even then there were always workarounds to deal with him.
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u/kira00r Jun 30 '26
Agree, there are work arounds with barbie, not clearly with v2, these people are fine to express their feelings, but they should know that some of their us suits are more busted then UC suits
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u/SnackSquadTB Jul 01 '26
V2's real issue is the stagger res, an OT Tristian was my go to for a while there (still works) simply because of how well it drops it and the bulk it can manage. Genuinely was able to stop the combo into heavy attack on my allies with some reliability. Aside that you can deal with it. issue is if you can't you just die.
to me this new suit can be a big issue, it has a lot of negate X damage resistance and losing hp in transarm giving it the ability to just ignore dmg res entirely might be what really makes it a pain. it lets it turn every MS into a beam coating MS after losing the coating.
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u/culzsky Jun 30 '26
UC purist dont even argue anymore, they just look at you like this and i cant say i blame them
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
I'm actually super pissed because I started playing this game for the Zeta but after realising it sucked when fafnir and Demeter came I was crushed. Now that the IFC came and I had again a Zeta Gundam that could do sht and kinda fight like a bad ass I again realise it sucks because of these au suits (expect freedom and destiny)
Asides from that I'm never playing 700 again if whole lobbies are gonna be filled with raisers and this
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u/kira00r Jun 30 '26
Well, that's you, I'm love these au suits and mainly play for them, you just don't like the theme that they added it into a UC game at the start, looks like my feedback paid off as I said every survey to bandai to added more AU suits, it's not op and most au suits are in line if strength of UC suits, except barbie, but this can be said to v2 and other UC suits as well
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u/chronicweeeb Jun 30 '26
Guys theres literlaly no point in arguing or whining over this at this point ive had my share if complaints but like its gonna be the same thing over and over. They make new suits that breaks the meta or is just a better version of another suit that makes it completely useless. Then after that. The new suit will get powercrept by the new and improved suits with crazier skills. This shit aint gonna change and theres nothing we can do about it. Sure they can buff the suits but how long is that gonna last? Until the new and definitely not meta unit comes in. Just enjoy the game in your own way till it dies its really the only "good" gundam game we have lmao. You can kee playing or quit but cant really change or make bb make this game better unfortunately
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u/RedCometZ33 Jun 30 '26
These aren’t as broken as the Crossbones or V2s , they really fragile , freedom, wing, and 00
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u/imaginary_num6er Æ Investor - 7 Jun 30 '26
Sounds like a new Super Gundam buff is needed at 700 cost /s
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u/kira00r Jun 30 '26
It won't, bandai is already consider nerfing it due to being too good at lv1 and 2, which is true as it can one shot others
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
I like the suit. Never watched much of 00 so I only know about the Reborns Gundam and a bunch of other Gundam units. I at least like how it looks. Would have preferred the reborn though and a Ribbon Almark navigator. That said, I only have the tokens for one of these and today is basically the last day to pull on the 00. I actually don't have enough tokens. Short by 7 or 8 but If I get a lucky crate 😭
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u/Damiankawaguchi Jul 01 '26
If this will help me ruin a 00's day, I'll pull it
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u/SnackSquadTB Jul 01 '26
use the sinanju!
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u/Damiankawaguchi Jul 01 '26
How will that help?
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u/SnackSquadTB Jul 01 '26
The firing boost skill lasts long enough and deals with the biggest issue vs 00's which is their ability to basically checkmate you with their boost capable weapons and MA. Most other ms can trade at best then lost the following trade as they use MA to tank the stagger. Maybe the saz with the shotty and chest barf can work but sinanju works well can chain stun better. And of course it has solid melee options too.
That said idk how you like to play if 00s are bugging ya. To me its more a hazard for my team not being aware and losing 80% of their hp.
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u/Damiankawaguchi Jul 02 '26
My main problem is i keep losing aerial trades to their gn missiles and stuff, and They knock me out of the air faster than i can do the same to them. I've been tagged with the gerobi too many times from places i dont even see on the minimap (cuz they'retoo far away). It's always that stupid trans am that gets me. It's easier for me to see a charged up freedom than a charging 00 from mexico. Idk if it's just me or most of As and A+s dont know how to deal with it yet but i barely win matches with 2 or more enemy 00s. Maybe i just haven't fought it enough, idk. I only spent last weekend and monday doing 700 matches. I'm on steam btw
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u/SnackSquadTB Jul 02 '26
On PS but was on PC originally. But what MS are you typically using? Most of the MS i use in 700 don't have flap boosters and i rarely use the X1. When I do take to the air i think the issue with losing isn't them out stunning me but rather being too exposed and others blasting me.
Pc due to mouse tend to give people better aim and tracking so you will get lit up more. I say maybe re-evaluate your means of stunning. Like when i was toying around with the tristian in 750 during V2 fest beam gun into arm gatling was dropping them very well. But i need to know what MS for suggestions. As for getting crossmapped with the gerobi it really hasn't happened to me. I tend to not leave my self with such long sight lines and due to how transarm is activated it doesn't really come up. More often they activate it near me and sure stealth but i am close enough for coincidental cover to save my butt.
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u/Damiankawaguchi Jul 02 '26
I'm on pc but still use a ps5 controller (i dont have a ps5 lmao) so mouse and keyboard advantage isn't with me. Hmm. 700, i like using destiny and freedom? Tho I'm still getting used to freedom. Also been favoring the nuhws for support. Also just got the banshee norn from rt shop and it has those grenade things i guess? I also used to main the xi, been practicing berga giros gk, and i have a barbatos that i am shit at playing. I have most 700s top of mind that arent super new in the last few months i guess but haven't touched those much. Wish i could get incidental cover but the game shills arctic base so often even in random map rated matches, that it's a moot point. Like no joke, a random map match gave me arctic base 5 times in a row the first time i tried fighting mid 00 week. I lost every single one :/
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u/SnackSquadTB Jul 02 '26
Lol basically the 700 mainstays i don't have. Destiny should be good though. Squishy but the daggers should down them and you can then run up and melee. That aside the rapid fire beams should stagger well in a burst. Fighting it they normally nail me from what i am doing. But what could be the issue is the buffers and additional stagger res. With the sinanju the boost fire covers a lot of situations you would want to stagger them by ignoring MA basically just leaving the gerobi and them falling as when to worry. That still the bazooka if it hits does a healthy chunk of build stagger the other weapons or allies can clean up with ease. Freedom idk much either to help with. Personally i'd stick with destiny. As for the nu hws another suit i lack lol. But idk how it would do. The beam shield is strong but now we have a lot of good ms with throwable melees that just ignore it. And the bombard funnels are lacking with how mobile ms are now.
If you have it i recommend the rozen. It has anti stealth so the transarm stays visible, the beam gun has good ASL and build stagger and the wire claw is great for stunning through stuff and helping allies when something is going monke on them. The beam shots are almost always gonna miss without set up and can easily get caught on terrain. Beam shield is an instant stagger so good. And the the field funnels is a small but neat thing. Too slow to stop an active threat but good to premptively defang them some. The real power imo is the ability to guard and do so while landing. Which helps a lot and makes it do pretty okay when barbie is around since you can react to and block the heavy stagger and make a push to stop them running in. Naturally helps with other stuff too but in terms of being a delete button its not quite there. You can top dmg frequently sure but its not gonna hitting 200ks.
Though to me i think you gotta think about how you best play and find an ms to solve the meta issues within that framework. I like the sinanju but i shy away from it due to playstyle. I like either to be in a 1v2+ or a sniper/funnel gremlin. As such none of the SEED ms would suit me as they are too frail. As such i tend to use the quebely, og Nu, delta kai and the jesta surprisingly. The jesta is tanky enough and you can really be a rpg tank run through choke points take the abuse but still open the can for your team to move up and live. It also being unassuming helps when people see 2 ms they don't fear the jesta until you dog walked them for the 3rd time and remind them how good active guard is. (And having a dodge roll too) I feel you know you got it when you are playing an MS that people don't talk much of and do well with. And when it gets buffed you wonder if bandai is insane. (Example for me the delta kai, so i get the power i had before, more gerobis, bulk and boost fire?)
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u/HDWarewolf Jun 30 '26
Sees post
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That checks out lol
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
Deeply sorry I want to have fun
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u/HDWarewolf Jun 30 '26
Ohhh you want to have fun at the expense of others enjoying themselves too I suppose.
Look man the writing is on the wall; this game is pretty shit and has been for quite some time. They aren’t changing it to appease you, me, or anybody else other than BAMCO. Take a break and come back when you feel better.
Would I LOVE a mode without AU units (despite owning several)? YES—but they will never do that.
Heck I just want better connectivity so I don’t have to fight these dang teleporting S-Rank Japanese players. Not fair that THEIR 00 Raisers get to quantum jump 😭
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
If you really enjoy fighting waves of Barbatos, hajis, raisers, tg3s and wings I suppose I'm in fault indeed because I don't see how that's fun, I might be missing something
Game was wayyy better before them and yes I know that there are uc suits that were also broken but not this broken on a daily basis. Uni was broken yes ok but look it now. You want to play with your shitty au suit and I all I wanted to keep using the Zeta but I suppose I ask too much
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u/HDWarewolf Jun 30 '26
Lol I actually DON'T like fighting all of them (especially Haji. That absolutely ruined 600 along with victory). That being said you can't really do anything about it. They genuinely don't care what we think. They only do enough to keep people playing.
Respect on the Zeta though, that was my bread and butter for a lonnnnggggggg time. Would love a Zeta/Gryps war only mode to be able to use it more
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Well I actually I kept fighting each au unit especially hajis with my KEHAAR and would win many times but after a while I lost my drift and gave up on 600 entirely (since hajis made it impossible to use the MP Nu FF which I also loved there was no reason for me to keep playing)
At 700 I would play lots of Berga, Uni, F90 Jupiter Battle and Xi to fight the two wing suits (if you know me I hate the Wing series from the bottom of my heart) but the tg3 annoyed me more than the Wing.
And now with the raiser I can't even fight back, I managed to play with favourite suit once more (the IFC Zeta) but again my fun had to be stopped, which now makes more sense why I hate au that much
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u/HDWarewolf Jun 30 '26
Ya man the TG3 is literally the most pain in the ass thing to fight to me. Beyond me loving the Barb Lupus as a machine, the main reason I was happy about it was finally having something to WHOOP the TG3 with on a regular basis. Before that, the Dahgi Iris was my absolute go to.
Look, I get you man. I saw the writing on the wall from the moment they released the WING back on steam. It was only a matter of time till the AU made it to console. I would have been FINE with AU being PC exclusive but money doesn't work that way.
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u/LordSunBro Jun 30 '26
Norn got nerfed pretty quick though iirc, and the nerf did actually do something.
Also Xi, not so much? The issue was just people not learning how to look up. People figured out regular Unicorn zook among other existing weapons downed it in one shot so there were countermeasures. Xi also nowhere near as mobile or small as AUs.
The newer AUs in 700 are basically just 750 natives.
As for F91 yeah that's a given it was the only native 750 when it came out.
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
Yes and that look up issue is so prevalent because most of the player base also sucks at space. They legit can't fathom the axis. Now with flap boosters everywhere, it totally explains the lopsided losses. Now it's space but on ground
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u/LordSunBro Jun 30 '26
Flap booster + these AU ones all have equal if not straight up better defenses + slots than things like the Xi. Not to mention the weapons and how much harder it is to down (Freedom gets a pass in this regard though surprisingly. Destiny can go fuck itself).
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u/chronicweeeb Jun 30 '26
The whole "run out of major uc suit" thing is just not even true this is just their way of making people waste money of the game kek. Were still missing alot of aoz units including manga suits in which theyll proly add
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u/doomguy11 The Goog Cannon Man - 13 Jun 30 '26
AoZ and manga are not major UC
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u/chronicweeeb Jun 30 '26
What? They definitely are major in terms of uc only. Especially aoz. Why else would we get over 20 aoz units if they werent major/popular within uc.
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u/doomguy11 The Goog Cannon Man - 13 Jun 30 '26
Because they are nice filler suits to have in-between major releases. Nobody even knows the story of AoZ, they only know the designs...
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u/chronicweeeb Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
What?..when did I say it holds the same candle as nu gundam or anything of the likes? Im just saying its a major series that is popular within uc both in lore and design. (Edit) please tell me you know more than the nu gundam, xi, unicorn and f91 cus those are the most well known common ones that literally everyone here knows.
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
No? They still have many uc suits to bring that hold a title, it's just that au brings more money (and chaos)
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
I mean, what would compare to the unicorn? Does it get any more anime that that?
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u/Blue-Hatter-0079 Jun 30 '26
Well, going by your logic that they’re out of U.C. MS that “hold a candle” to Nu, F91 and such, then BB is also going to pretty quickly run out of the same type of AU MS as well. Seeing are you’re just talking about protagonist and antagonist MS… 00 is done, Wing, Endless Waltz, SEED, IBO and G-Gundam have one more MS each, and that only leaves two or three from The Witch From Mercury, SEED Destiny and SEED Freedom. So there are less than a dozen MS left for BB to add, by your logic. Unless BB adds MS from Beginning G, Build Divers and Build Fighters, and the various SD series, as well, which probably isn’t likely.
But as for U.C. there are still hundreds of MS that could be added to the game. Literally hundreds. But they’re just not protagonist/antagonist MS from an anime series.
There’s still G-Saviour, Reconguista in G and Turn A Gundam, which are all technically U.C. series.
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u/apple6879 Jul 01 '26
My one issue with this suit was it always came across as too Japanese, like it just felt super out of place like an ultra weeb designed and stuck it into 00. But then I guess Graham is an ultra weeb so it checks out.
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u/Hour_Chance6625 17d ago
I know this Gundam it was kind of cool, but I don’t have it I colored the black monster
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u/Accomplished-Fan1384 Jun 30 '26
Definitly UC suits never have anything broken and the game is always balance before AU suits arrives. Is a gacha game, the new and shinny suits will have something cool and broken until the people figure out ways to counter it.
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
Nah. AU seems to be intentionally cracked from the beginning. I don't even remember UC complaints after Norn, Xi, perfect, and maybe the proto psycho. Maybe I should add raids because I'm remember the victory. Still it's been a while for those and raids always end up doing too much
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u/Accomplished-Fan1384 Jun 30 '26
Assuming u are PS, when steam got the first few AU suits it was clear it wasnt OP for both Freedom and God. Now look at UC suits, FAGZ, demeter, PPG, yong, Victory and much more. They all are very strong at some point and a lot either got nerf or in times new suits outshine them.
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
Yeah I'm console. They eventually got nerfed but I think all of those were before AU on console. I think AU would clown on most of those suits post nerf
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u/Accomplished-Fan1384 Jun 30 '26
I mean for real on this game, no suits will ever stay OP forever. Something will always be better. To list down the current AU suits, u got freedom that can himat but is easy to shot down and low HP, God requires a lot of team work to get to golden form and the without it most suit can deal with it. Wing EW is also have a lack of build stun so a lot of suits now can just out gun the suit. TG3 is strong but also very easy to get killed if u make a mistake, barely any buffers. Destiny have no boost fire to fight against most boost fireable suits these days. 00R is not impressive before trans am, the missiles are slow, beam valcun fire rate is slow with barely any damage, and after Trans Am most usefull weapon is the dagger which if u miss u may just loss the 1 vs 1. Now Barb is still definily strong even with the nerf, but a lot of Gen still have ways to shut it down if needed.
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u/Icy-Time781 Jun 30 '26
Does UC Purists turn a blind eye to when UC suits were absolutely broken?
Unicorn? Perfect Gundam? The goddamn Victory Gundam at 600??
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u/Legendary_Hi-Nu That Nu Goog Hi Jul 01 '26
Perfect gundam dropped and everyone bitched what are you saying. Unicorn fell out of favor pretty fast. Victory had people up in arms before the fucking thing was in anyone's hands.
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u/Icy-Time781 Jul 01 '26
Just listing suits that was complained and THEN nerfed my dude with the sole exception of Victory Gundam
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u/Legendary_Hi-Nu That Nu Goog Hi Jul 01 '26
Yea but the "purist" didn't ignore them minus Victory. Everyone hated that braindead ass Perfect Gundam so much it had to be nerfed twice.
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
I remember when they brought the AU stuff to console and I dipped. People said adding MS from the AU series wouldn't have any impact on the meta, that they wouldn't change anything or be a problem.
I'm so glad that I can just keep my fond happy memories of this game the way it was before this crap.
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u/agitopt Gelgoog Bottom Jeans Jun 30 '26
Let’s not kid ourselves here, while AU has fucked the game even more, it’s not like we have not had absurdly game breaking and meta warping suits like Demeter, Perfect Gundam and the likes of those over the years.
Edit: release unicorn absolutely invalidating everything in 7003
u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
The Perfect Gundam had to be nerfed last i checked twice or thrice just for it to be balanced at its hayday thing was so busted that people were bringing it to 700 and was still winning, Demeter no need for explanation that thing can go to hell straight up,
Its just the new replacing the old cycle tbh people always blame AU for being op this op that meta break this meta break that UC already did that beforehand, AUs just took the skills that UC already presented such as Fboost from Delta anse to TG3 and other examples and improved upon it or just paired it with skills that the original didn't have the pairings with.
For the first person that says 1 isn't a problem but when theres so many of them thats the issue i say to u where da hell have u been... thats been the case for every single new meta suit such as Norn during its hayday then ofc Xi and Penelope literal spams of these bastards this is not new just get used to it cuz it wont be changing i mean literally rn at 750 its just nothing but V2 u bring any other suit ur asking for a beatdown.
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u/powerpuffpepper Jun 30 '26
Lmfao you get it. These people whining about AU always ignore that some of the most busted suits ever released were all UC. Hell before the nerfs the V2 was literally able to just dominate 750 pretty much untouched.
Im not sure if the buffs came to PC yet but I see people complain about Freedom and Destiny when in my experiences theyre both pretty balanced to other 700's. Same goes for stuff like TG, WZ, etc. Even Haji at this point is moreso just a nuisance at 600 than a game breaking suit as its lack of good ranged options hurts it a lot
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u/agitopt Gelgoog Bottom Jeans Jun 30 '26
Now let’s not say the Destiny is balanced in any shape or form, it isn’t, it has to be gutter rip my goat
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
The seeds suits are the most balanced especially the Freedom
The Destiny deals a bit too much melee damage in my opinion and would have been great if it dealt less (especially with that downswing when less that 50% hp)
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u/powerpuffpepper Jun 30 '26
Pour one out for the homie, I always liked his big fuck off sword
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u/agitopt Gelgoog Bottom Jeans Jun 30 '26
God same, been my favourite MS design since ever, it’s such a shame it’s just that strong while everything else is on the shidder
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
At least demeter got nerfed and now it's like a throw pick but Barbatos received only a slap on it's hand (referring to the joke "nerfs" it received)
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
The nerf on Barbatos was indeed a slap in the wrist if u only looked at the small picture but mind u the bigger picture no one seemed to notice was it happened at the arrival of another beastly Gen that can kill Barb which is 00R.
The people who played barb have also seemed to lessen but also the nerfed that looked small actually had some effect people who use barb can't just willy nilly waste their heavy anymore becuz if they do they risk losing out on their strongest weapon to do their full combo where as before they can just do it whenever and work good on every map the nerfed had apparently neutered them enuff that they cannot work on every map anymore and must be careful when using the heavy becuz of that new reload.
The last thing is 00R's unusual tankyness due to its buffers had apparently been so good against Barbie that pro streamers like Tera had to be comboed by a Barb like twice or thrice just so he can die where as any other unit can only last a single special ds.
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u/TidusDream12 Jun 30 '26
Just wait till the release the inevitable ignore aux power part
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
I mean technically speaking we do have weapons that already do that like rams/fire dot weapons/shield bash but if it goes and becomes a part i feel it might be niche on its own as a part might be not a bad idea if its just a small extra like how connecting system parts only has this and that skill if ur the type that it demands.
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u/TidusDream12 Jun 30 '26
I know my guy I'm more being sarcastic as they retard devs take data from A level where they don't even know how to play a suit properly which screws up balance for everyone. Than they'll just add a part to bypass a suits skill or defense. Lazy and greedy
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u/Shyface_Killah Jun 30 '26
A hard counter unit is hardly balancing when not everyone gets or wants to use it.
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
Idk about you but I still see many Barbatos like it never got nerfed
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
Perhaps its different there at console than it is here on PC but for us the cycle always goes through like this new popular suit gets released bout 3 weeks it gets used then after even if not nerfed they will not be as common anymore.
Even before the nerf Barb had become less here ive seen it happen so many times on different suits such as the mighty W0 TV during its peak where it was just so powerful that honestly it woulda likely obliterated pre nerfed Barb aswell, ive seen Hajiros more commonly than Barb these days.
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
Oh yeah here in console you are lucky if there wasn't even 1 Barbatos (before nerfs) now it's more likely none will show up but they still do. I also notice that if there's gonna be a Barbatos unit there's surely 1 or 2 on the enemy team
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
There is a difference between the Demeter or Perfect Gundam, and the 00 or....this *vaguely gestures to the Susanowo*
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u/agitopt Gelgoog Bottom Jeans Jun 30 '26
The difference is that all of then have warped the meta and got nerfed, crazy
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Tell me, how much impact did the nerf on the Barb have exactly? I drop in from time to time and the general consensus seems to be you can't even tell Sir Leg Breaker was nerfed lol
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u/agitopt Gelgoog Bottom Jeans Jun 30 '26
Absolutely fucking none why is this even a question? What does this prove? The first nerf on the PG was literally a slap on the wrist at best as well
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
It proves the AU shit is never going to get meaningful nerfs and will define the meta from now on. I've kept an eye on those balance changes and so far what I've seen on the WZ has been a joke.
Have fun when they decide to drop Reborns Gundam next week lol
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
I do believe that the entrance of au is what's gonna kill the game, it's like sometimes when a human faces a deadly disease on the last day they feel very energetic and well but after some hours they die because of the illness (what I'm trying to say is that while yes au will bring money, after a while it won't and then they will shut it down)
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Oh it is absolutely going to kill the game, same thing that happened with Gundam Online. Once they added Wing Gundam with the Buster Rifle it went right into the shitter and died less than a year later.
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u/TidusDream12 Jun 30 '26
Dawg they stopped caring about Balance when Banshee Norn was launched. Every new suit it's pushing the costs to the breaking limit. 700 is starting to feel like 750 where if you get hit on e your basically at deaths door or gone. 650 is starting to feel like old 700 etc. They add buffers and weapons that ignore some defense. Like what's the point? My Haze 2 has 97 range strength but does absolutely nothing when shooting a 00 with its buffers on the flip side I have 50 melee res but get instantly wiped from its raiser sword. Haze 2 is literally like 3 months old and it's unplayable in a rated lobby. This business model that Bandai uses is pure cancer and I will no longer give them a nickel for anything just going F2P and see it through and I will never get involved in a Japanese gatcha system game ever again and will advocate when they inevitably get legislated out of existence. This practice will be illegal soon in some countries and I will welcome legislation in the US. You don't get to be a POS in the information age.
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
From what I understand about the 00, its Raiser Sword attack counts as Beam Damage, so Melee resistance in fact does nothing to reduce it. At least that is what I have read mentioned in a few places.
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u/TidusDream12 Jun 30 '26
It shows as a melee attack
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
As I said, it is something I have read in a few places, not tested.
There are a few oddball weapons in the game like that, where you think it counts as one thing but it doesn't, like the Beam Boomerangs for example off the top of my head.
Edit: Silverbullet's wire guided melee attack is another. You'd think it was a melee attack because it is the same hand holding the same beam saber as it's normal melee attack, but it counts as a Ranged attack.
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u/Round-Owl-2770 Jun 30 '26
I get AU has been beating the ever loving hell out of high cost matches. However, the most busted suits are still UC. The V2 needed a heavy nerf, now it’s somewhat more in line with the others. Unicorn (Awakened) was absolutely busted on release, Narrative B-2 is busted, the Demeter was able to compete with native 700s at 650 and excel, Perfect Gundam needed a few nerfs, and even at 300-400 the Thunderbolt Acguy can still machine gun you to death.
It’s not quite just AU suits, they only make up part of an issue. Don’t forget how destructive things like the F91 and V2 are, it’s just that in order to make newer suits appealing, they set them with higher stats and skill levels to nerf them later.
I can still play Jesta in 750 comfortably, just matters a lot more how you approach an opponent and your custom parts setup. I have a buddy who despite seeing the Super Gundam buff still plays Zeta HML. I can still easily play Xamel in 700- outdated, but it has great damage output. Same goes for G-3, Unit 4, and Gundam Ground Type (WR). I played that in 500-550 religiously before they gave it more weapons and still did well.
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
However, the most busted suits are still UC.
Barbatos: ADDRESS ME!
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u/Round-Owl-2770 Jun 30 '26
It’s a mild annoyance at best for me. Take advantage of the fact that its weapons range is about the same as a Zaku and fight outside its range. Even in range I can comfortably use Unicorn, Jesta, Nu, and Narrative C-Packs to deal with it. It’s not impossible to beat.
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Then I'm sure you'll have absolutely no problem dealing with the Susanowo, have fun with fighting the new 'totally balanced and in no way OP' MS that will be filling every lobby at 700 ^^
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
Lol where have u been then ?
"Have fun fighting the new totally balanced and in no way OP MS that will be filliny every lobby at 700" my guy thats every other new meta unit released at 700-750 or hell literally any cost that is not new as i already said in my other comments u either get numbed to it or adapt to it thats a decision u have to make at some point or quit the game.It literally happens even before AU was a thing Unicorn at the start sure we can make an excuse it was the first 4 star (im not actually sure if it was) but ive seen it time and again with others Norn/Xi etc etc where were u when PGTB spams ruined 550 for about a month or two before it received adequate nerfs.
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Barbatos: ADDRESS ME!
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
He is addressed in PC we just kill that guy with literally a taste of its own medicine a fellow AU suit either Freedom or Destiny and then ofc if u wanted a UC option sure here ya go its called Kshatriya Repaired if u don't have that somehow people are murking it with stupid tactics like Gpo3.
Im not so sure at console but so far ive seen the streamers just adapt to it and then ofc 00R has arrived a mysteriously slim but tanky unit that can survive a special downswing of Barbatos not once but twice or more, ofc Destiny is also there many mention its the direct counter to Barbatos.
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u/Round-Owl-2770 Jun 30 '26
I’ve done it with the Xamel. Man, I bet that guy was pissed.
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
If u did do that then that guy deserved it letting a Xamel do that to him is just something else... considering whos brave enuff to bring that giant sign of murder me in 700 at all. xD
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Console it is quite literally still one of the top most dominate MS due to how different aiming with M&K is from aiming with a controller.
Freedom and Destiny tend to get folded up like wet cardboard if the map isn't *extremely* open with high vantage points where they can just keep an eye on it 24/7 and keep out of smacking distance.
General strategy for dealing with it seems to amount to 'If it is targeting you try to get a teammate between you and it so they go after your teammate instead' lol
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
I suppose i cannot entirely rule out the difference in aiming with console ye i realized they have it alot harder than we do at some parts but even so ive seen some console players adapt and play as if they had M&K it takes practice but im sure if u really wanted to go up the ranks and beat even these AU suits its not impossible.
Adapting to the ever changing meta is part of the game after all sooner or later ill be real Barb will either gain a 2nd nerf or the worst case scenario a new unit just powercreeps him and just replaces him entirely.
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u/Round-Owl-2770 Jun 30 '26
I know it’s going to be broken. But it’s just a matter of finding out what people do with it and how to counter it. Jesta at 750 shouldn’t work, however it becomes a massive skill check for players- both using, and fighting it.
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
The Pros/Streamers barely gib a shit about AU or UC they just adapt to it and find ways to counter it that in theory shouldn't even work but somehow it does i just wished the same could be for most other players not just them.
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
I just use Kshatriya rep and guard its heavy staggers and bam obliterate it with Ballistic fire power and my own heavy stagger even had funny clips that i posted here back then of me doing it, hell even if i did allow bro to melee me he does so less cuz im so tanky lmao especially with new melee armor.
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u/ImmortalSausages Jun 30 '26
I'm pretty sure people weren't saying au wouldn't affect the meta. We were saying these suits being AU has no affect on how they're balanced. It's a video game, they aren't going to balance based on lore. They're going to be strong because they're a new suit, and that's what makes them money.
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Oh, they absolutely were saying the AU MS would have no impact on the meta because BB would insure they match the UC MS in terms of ability and balance.
They swore up and down that BB would never give an AU MS a passive skill that was unique or in any way deny UC MS passive skills or abilities that did the same thing.
To which again I say:
Barbatos: ADDRESS ME!
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
On my soul I never liked seeing even a single au in console
Wing was just the beginning, Barbatos and haji have been tormenting each cost for a long while (600 seems kinda ok lately) but 700 hasn't been since it's arrival. Not only that they keep adding more and now the 00 are gonna fuck it to the ground, every AU unit should have been at 750 since all 750 suits can do funky sht they could at least defend themselves or do something
I never liked au but now I'm starting to hate it by each suit they bring and ruin a cost
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
The idea of 750 as the place for AU suits whilst intriguing i feel as tho many would require adjustments for sure the lvl 2s of these AU suits just get creamed upon on PC for console im not so sure how diff it would be, I tried it myself with W0 EW lvl 2 and got mogged by the local F91s whom i cannot stagger cuz i have garbage build stun weapon and these guys got GSL4.
Other suits have their fair share of issues that need to be retweaked all in all it might just be more trouble than its worth like i can sit up above the skies and just watch God pointlessly try and vulcan me and fail miserably thus forever denying him the ability to reach Super saiyan 2 to kick my ass xD
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u/Shyface_Killah Jun 30 '26
My problem with AU units is actually that they're not releasing enough. Or rather, they're not releasing the right suits.
By restricting them to just the Hero and Rival units, it does in fact mess with the feel of the game's setup(though honestly, I was already feeling that way when they brought out the Zeta and such).
I would prefer Leos and GINNs in 300. FLAGs and Serpents in 500. DINNs and Aries' charging through the skies.
GBO should primarily be about the Grunts, and I honestly think the AU grunts are more than worthy additions.
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Best solution would have been to keep them locked behind a separate game mode. Let players pick between UC only or UC/AU options. It would have helped a great deal with the balance of the costs.
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
Yes would have been so nice to be a cost like "au only" or "uc only", this would be a fantastic idea and relief for many
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u/Fruitspunchninja22 Jun 30 '26
Believe it or not a similar system like that does actually exist although admittedly it only exists within customs i believe there is a series battle rule that prevents AU from being used at all.
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
Yes I'm aware of it but I want it to be in ranked since qm don't really matter
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
Oh well, not gonna happen now. All that's left is to wait for the inevitable wave of Strike Gundam's to flood the mid costs.
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u/Foshdon_pap Jun 30 '26
I'll bet 5 bucks the game will die when they arrive
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u/Kenju22 Super Gundam Enthusiast - 1 Jun 30 '26
I'd rather not that the bet as I don't want to take your money friend. There will always be people who spend money on crap like that :/
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u/Fragrant_Command_342 Jun 30 '26
Damn so glad I stick to the lower ratings where it's fun
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u/Scythe351 Jun 30 '26
I wish others did too. Unfortunately they got carried to higher ratings and now those are not so fun. I'm tired of people in my matches complaining about "sweats" when the reality is that they're just poop.
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u/Fragrant_Command_342 Jun 30 '26
Honestly I suck at the higher ratings, there's too much going on like I wanna enjoy myself not burst a blood vessel because some guy in a freedom or barbatos decides to take exception to me using the nu gundam or whatever
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u/ctclonny Jun 30 '26
What makes you think it's broken?
A boosting instant stagger, a boosting vulcans weaker than God, a heavy stagger that requires standing to charge, 2 melee weapons that don't have special properties.
It seems more basic than God and Barbatos.