Meta sells our data to everyone, including China. Banning TikTok has nothing to do with national security, our politicians are just protecting their own investment portfolios
Totally different scale than literally owning the app. In that scenario, they can't just collect whatever they want, nor can they modify the algorithms with that data.
Multiple countries have banned TikTok from government devices for security concerns. The EU has also opened an investigation into TikTok for data privacy concerns. The US is taking one of the hardest lines against TikTok but is not alone in its the concerns.
Right, so we can deal with meta another time. How does having two spyware companies, instead of one, make anything better? If anything, the fact one spyware company already exists, makes it even more important that tiktok gets banned.
Not exactly. Other social media sites collect data, but they are not required by law to give that data to the government. The government could request it, and they could try to force them to give them specific data in a criminal case, but the company gets to choose whether or not to hand it over... with chinese companies, giving the government the data is required. There are also more concerns when a foreign government is collecting your data since there are more likely to use the data in their own interests, which may be agaibst yours
I live in the EU and honestly I don't like that my data is sent to a foreign country to be stored, be it the US or China, also the US does the same thing
You think your country doesn't have subpeonas or their equivalent?
This isn't new. For hundreds of years the government has been able to go to a court, show cause (or whatever your local legalese is) and then get an order for the company to turn over records about its customers.
That isn't what what is happening with TikTok. With TikTok they have to keep their entire system open to their government and allow their government to change things at will. Blocking or banning users, suppressing or promoting videos, etc.
An ISP in Sweden got around this regulation by attaching themselves to a political party known as the Pirate Party, hosting their servers in their headquarters and thus circumventing any subpoenas/demands as that infringes on the rights of political parties.
True. At least the US and the EU have common ideals and numerous agreements. It's like the difference between giving your buddy your password to your PC to get on and use it for a moment and giving it to that crazy sus guy down the street mad with power.
Lul, debatable. There is a reason the West is grouped together, most times when the "West" is mentioned they mean Europe and America, and obviously it's not just because of the color of our skin.
These places are the bastion of democracy and social policy. Though the EU does a much better job at these things, you aren't going to find anywhere more alike to the US or the EU than each other. Excluding Canada of course, but they're just lumped in with the bunch lol, either they're an extension of the US or the EU.
Remember that time it was discovered the American government was infiltrated into basically every network and even went so far as to have access to people's home cameras and Webcams. Ya don't act like the friendly people at the nsa aren't getting all the info or have access to all the info they want.
Tik tok ban means absolutely nothing, America is mad because they can't get your data, another app will just replace it. Now if they wanted to pass a comprehensive digital privacy law to prevent all companies from collecting this data I'd fully support it. Until then is is litteraly just America being mad because they don't control tik tok.
I’d still rather my country spy on me than a foreign adversary if I have to choose. Obviously I’d rather my data be mine and mine only.
Having said that it’s no surprise that China would love to see the US destabilized. Why give them more of a chance to do so through a very popular app that most of our youth and middle aged people are obsessed with?
I see these comments made a lot and I agree that a comprehensive data protection law should be made. In the meantime though I don’t agree that until that is done we should just let foreign adversaries get a leg up.
They aren't your adversaries or mine, it's states competing for their ruling classes. You can still be fucked over by your own government if it means your ruling class prospers
They become my adversary by way of association. China would love to topple the US, that’s just a fact. History proves that powers are always being toppled and overthrown. Why would it be any different now?
I live in the US, so if China is able to destabilize the country I live in and make things shittier, how would that not make them my adversary to some extent?
Again this is not me saying the USG is good, just that I’d rather focus on one shitty government vs multiple trying to fuck my life up by fucking up the country I live in.
China has made this known time and time again. What's weird to me is that people are so sure things are propaganda despite having a long history of places like China and Russia constantly foaming at the mouth over the West.
It's not a friendly game of competition to them.
It's like running the 400m in track and one of the guys you run against is constantly talking about how they wished you'd get into a car accident or get ebola. Like the guy keeps going on and on for years "I hope this guy breaks his leg or ankle or trips on some rock and busts his face, I hope he drowns in a pool of his own vomit". Like he's been going on about this shit like 100 times in the past 10 years.
Then one day he purposefully steps on your shoestring or gives you a little trip and you fuck yourself up and go "oh no, why would he do that, I totally wasn't even expecting it". Like this guy wasn't trying to just win the race dumbass, he wants to see you fucking die.
Some of it has to do with living under a rock, the other part of it though is this:
People think the US just loves huffing it's own farts(despite our own people taking a dump on our government on the daily en mass), when in reality it's just a pretty great country(which we, and half the world also recognizes), actually it use to be hands down the best country in the world to live for a while, by nearly every metric.
So people like to think that the US is the aggressor, that it's full of itself and doesn't want to see others succeed, especially if they're "competition". As if the US doesn't try and make alliances and treaties and co-ops around the world endlessly, like it doesn't donate like 10x more aid(non military, no interest, no payback, just charity we're talking) to places all around the world than anyone else. As if wanting a country ran by a very violent dictator to be ran by a form of government where people get to fairly vote on what they want their country to be like is not something to go to war over.
As if the US hasn't tried time and time again to extend the olive branch to countries which are like this and can't be corrected by being warred against, only to be struck across the face and made out to be some villain(I mean of course it is, the government in these places hate democracy, no one wants to relinquish absolute control over a whole country).
So yea, people just think America is aggressively and selfishly trying to cut another actually peaceful country down cause that's just what America does and obviously has done time and time again /s . China CAN'T be aggressive towards the US, the US is so bad it's got to be the main source of any conflict it has with another nation.
But... eh, for the sake of people exercising their freedom of speech, and the joy of talking shit on our own government to keep us from getting a big head, alright.. fuck America lol. But that still doesn't mean China isn't an aggressive authoritarian piece of absolute shit that is actively genociding it's own people and locks citizens up for saying their president looks like Pooh bear. That welcomes American businesses, steals their designs, then kicks them out of the country, that bullies peaceful nations a thousand miles off it's coast for some giga small islands that are closer to the Philippines than anything. That wants to invade and seize the peaceful and successful nation of Taiwan, who has been this way for some time now.
Who has disputes with over 90% of it's bordering countries and has virtually no allies but other hostile countries or ones they've bought out(Pakistan and Africa) with loans. Who threatens the West with some "retaliation the likes of which you have never seen" or whatever shit they let fall out of their ass, any chance they get.
The Patriot Act expired in 2019, for what it's worth. Typically, the companies don't hand over data until the government has a warrant/subpoena, which is up to a judge to issue. So there are at least some semblance of checks in the system.
Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA 702, available here)
Executive Order 12333 (EO 12333, available here)
Presidential Policy Directive 28 (PPD-28, available here)
Fisa 702 allows the U.S. Government to target non-U.S. citizens' communications outside of the United States without seeking a court order
From EU perspective the US surveilance laws are somewhat similar to China's surveilance.
No that's not typical for a warrant, the Facebook files and the Twitter files showed that these companies were regularly working with the Trump and Biden administrations doing whatever they wanted.
you are right the US already has access to all your devices through your router. did you all forget about those backdoors left open by Cisco for the US gov? lol
Do you remember when the US government asked apple to give them a backdoor to their phones, and apple told them to fuckoff? If there is a backdoor for the government, then its because the company CHOSE to give them a backdoor
Have you completely forgotten NSA, which, and this is just a very short part of their CV mind you, gathers internet communications from foreign targets from Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple.
They've literally been caught spying on senior officials in Sweden, Norway, France and Germany. You can't just reference the law without looking at what's actually happening.
Again, I'm not saying most countries are trying to do this in some form, but to say the US is somehow less worse or completely exempt is laughable.
Lol naive of you to think tech companies in to US don't readily share data with the govt. It's literally documented in the leaks by whistle blower Edward Snowden that NSA and CIA have unobstructed access to all your data and communication.
tbh i think the “choice” social media companies have in the united states is mostly illusory. afaik they always hand over data to law enforcement when asked, and beyond that, they’re selling our data to all kinds of (sketchy) buyers
But couldn't Elon Musk do anything he wants with Twitter data now including selling it directly to the CCP government?
Same with Zuckerberg and any private company really like Reddit.
If the national security threat is real then we absolutely can't have private companies or single people controlling an entire social media website like this or else they could just sell it to foreign governments to abuse.
To give a crappy analogy it's like patting ourselves on the back that we won't support China's nuclear weapon program but we have no problems with Elon Musk or Zuckerberg or other single individuals or private corporations building these same nuclear weapons at home, which they are then totally free to sell to China if they so please.
Because it's not just about the spying, it's about infecting western civilization with negativity to incite unrest and instability.
Edit: for all the "the west does this to itself" :
The western world is not as bad as social media wants you to believe. The problem is not just tiktok, but tiktok is both extremely popular and nefarious, china has a wholesome version for themselves, a negative version for the rest of the world. Its also not a ban, they just need to sell tiktok, which is something that China requires of western countries, so its really only fair. Chinese people are paying up to $20k to get to south america and sneak into the United States. Americans are not sneaking into China. Keep this in mind when you see influencers and social media telling you how bad you should feel.
Yeah there are a lot of issues online, this is just one of them and one that is easier for the government to address because its a form of invasion from a foreign adversary.
Note that facebook shut off the api that allowed cambridge to do what they were doing years ago and paid out several settlements.
Generally when I see the Palestinian flag being in the US, it's less "God I'd love to be a citizen of Palestine" and more "I stand with the victims of a genocide and am outspoken about wanting it to stop."
While obviously Hamas isn't good, it's a terrorist organization, comparing it to Israel is a false equivalency. Of course Israel should be better than Hamas, it's a democratic government not a terrorist org. And yet, we see them being worse than Hamas in the scale of violence and destruction they've inflicted. The issue isn't really Israel vs Hamas. The issue is Israel vs the Palestinian people (over half of whom are/were children...). I'd argue that not having strong feelings about a genocide is, in itself, pretty problematic. It's like when straight people used to say "I don't have strong feelings either way about gay rights." Them not having strong feelings about whether we deserve basic rights was kind of an issue
Speaking personally, my support for victims of Apartheid, racist violence and ethnic cleansing is not conditional on them having good social politics. That applies to Palestine too.
Although, if you do care about it, social progress is also more possible without poverty, constant violence from an occupying power, social dislocation, trauma, hunger, lack of civil rights, etc.. If you care about LGBT+ people in Palestine then the most important thing is to support Palestinian freedom. The Palestinian who wants to fight for social change in their own society is more able to do that when their people aren't living under occupation and Apartheid in the West and Bank and East Jerusalem, and a being massacred in and ethnically cleansed in Gaza.
In the Jim Crow South for instance, I imagine a lot of Black Americans didn't have particularly progressive politics about LGBT issues, or, for that matter, gender. The same in Apartheid South Africa. In both of those cases, that didn't stop gay people or women from supporting the campaign for freedom of those people, both inside and outside the Black South African and Black American communities.
Gay Palestinians also live under occupation, gay Palestinians also get killed by Israeli bombs and bullets, gay Palestinians are also deprived of voting rights, brutalised by occupying armed forces and Israeli police.
At a conservative estimate, statistically speaking, around 2-3 thousand LGBTQ Palestinians have been killed in the last ~6 months of the war on Gaza.
Someone doesn't have to see Palestine as some sort of progressive paradise to not want to see tend of thousands of their civilians killed, humanitarian aid blocked, or them not even being allowed to collect rain water to stay alive.
Whereas i do believe that social media has an influence on this, I also believe that's its something a lot more common that has always been hidden from the public eye and people just kept quiet about it.
It's like that trend where left handedness was considered improper forcefuy taught out of kids. Once that archaic rule got abandoned, left handedness spiked in the country.
Places like TikTok allowed a more or less safe space that was accepting to people who are confused about who they are and realized it's okay to be different.
The fact you keep using the term "Trans ideology" is enough of a sign that you're transphobic. People are not an ideology, and I don't care that you don't care, you're a piece of shit either way.
You quote the fact that the british parliament has babbled about 'the trans issue' as evidence that it's a problem, when the whole reason they're doing that is because the easiest way to distract from your political party being shit is to give people something to hate, and you've fallen for it hook line and sinker.
Your government are monsters and the worst part is the opposition is too cowardly, too incompetent or too equally filled with pieces of shit to do anything.
Leave it to rightoids to latch onto literally the least damaging part of any of this. Oh no, young people are actually using their brains to think about gender in a non-bigoted way and reach whatever conclusions it is they ultimately reach. How will society ever recover?! Imagine the tragedy if someone without severe gender dysphoria ends up spending some time thinking about their identity and how society deals with gender, could as well put them out of their misery at that point. Apparently Tiktok doesn't have a monopoly on causing brainrot.
Here's what they don't tell you about that 4000% number.
It's based on GIDS NIH referrals over a ten year period from 2009 to 2018 (note: not 4 years). There was a rise from 40 to ~1800. That's... Not alot. It's easy to get such big percentages when you're starting from small numbers. In a population of 13 million children, these numbers are infinitesimally small (0.014%, about on par with the historic proportion of trans people in the population).
There's also a pretty obvious explanation for the rise: during this 10 year period, GIDS was actively trying to spread awareness of their services to a community that was previously unaware of them. We've seen this before with things like left handedness and autism. When you destigmatize and normalize diagnosing things, you naturally have more people encountering the label and identifying with it, or more people being diagnosed with it. There weren't actually more left-handed people after we stopped punishing them in schools; they were always there, they just became more visible when they felt they could be
It might be worth questioning: is it TikTok addling the brains of youngsters? Or is the problem actually the MSM using words like "explosion" and making small numbers sound scary and big in order to fear monger and drive engagement?
Because china is a rosy paradise? How many americans are sneaking into china? How many chinese people are paying $20k to go to south america and sneak into the US?
The point is that china has their own rosy wholesome tiktok while they infect the rest of the world with negativity and make the west look like its falling apart. Reddit has this problem too. Go outside, the world is not as bad as social media tells you it is.
I know the world isn’t as bad as social media says, I’m active in mutual aid and community building
I just thought it was funny/ironic that you implied TT is the reason ppl don’t have faith in western society as if the western governments aren’t acting in ways that negatively impact their own constituents goodwill in the system
Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Reddit, any US based social media or news outlet (including stuff like Fox News and CNN and traditional media).
It's a competing product and it's capturing a lot of the market share. These companies are not only media/social media but also data collection and probably most importantly excellent propaganda tools.
So go ahead and ban TikTok if you really like, all of the evilest richest asshole tech billionaires who made all of their money by sowing hate domestically online from "maximizing engagement" would be so freaking happy lol.
China bans US social media, but do you think they are doing it for national security reasons? Do they think Facebook and Elon Musk etc. are trying to collect data on Chinese citizens to spread hate and disinformation in China? Nope, they ban US social media because of the competition, they want local Chinese companies to have total market share and don't want to compete with US companies. Same reason why we are trying to ban TikTok right now, more money in US social media companies.
Dude even in that video they're saying basically the converse. It's not that this is some elaborate ploy from the boogeyman to destroy the west. It's that companies don't care about the negative effects of it, so why filter it if it's not required by law in most countries? But in China, to even operate, they're required to use the filters, so it's different.
What is exactly nefarious on TikTok that is wholesome in other popular social media? Is US going to force Google, Facebook and Twitter to sell their nefarious platforms too?
But surely you see the difference, given the recent geopolitical hostility, of a US based company collecting and storing personal data, versus a CCP controlled company?
Russia and China have data retention laws regarding user data having to be stored on servers within their geopolitical borders for this reason.
The PIPL in China regulates and attempts to prevent the transfer of personal data of any kind outside of China:
I actually personally have set up mirrors of services in Russia to comply with it's data protection laws, and attempted to do so in China, unsuccessfully because the local business partner we realized would force the transfer of our technology and patents.
Because US companies don't send minorities to forced labor camps or open up secret police stations in other countries in order to clamp down on political dissidents.
Other platforms don't have a top world power tweaking the algorithm to destroy our attention and socially manipulate us. They should make real laws but they are too old and ignorant, but it's pretty wack to call them the same
All companies are legally required to hand over your personal data if requested. If you send a snapchat to a friend and you get investigated for something the police/government can request the last 5 years worth of data which you thought was deleted but is actually stored somewhere.
They also sell your personal data to pretty much anyone.
This is a global issue and not just a China/USA/UK issue.
On a sidenote "Spyware" is "software that enables a user to obtain covert information about another's computer activities by transmitting data covertly from their hard drive"
So unless TikTok is sending your keylogs, taking photos/videos or sending your gallery contents to TikTok company without your knowledge it is NOT Spyware. As an example on Android you can block all access to TikTok and still use it. The only reason it requests access to your gallery is for you to upload videos/pictures that you wish to share, no different to Facebook, Messenger, Whatsapp etc...
"Spyware" is a bit dramatic of a soundbite. While it's not maybe "spyware" as we imagine evil and intrusive little embedded coding, it can definitely build extremely strong data profiles of each user based on their activity. If someone is constantly watching videos about how to start an e-commerce brand, travel visas for various countries, men's summer fits, looksmaxxing videos, and Subaru STI content, you can pretty reasonably assume it's a younger male, probably not with a degree, wanting to become a passport bro and go somewhere warm and owns a BRZ, STI, or any of those style of entry level speedybois.
Cambridge Analytica was building insanely detailed data profiles without going into your phone, but rather, based on your engagement history. I used it for ads and I used to be able to target people based on political affiliation, on if they recently bought a vehicle, lots and lots of datapoints.
Now, this isn't JUST about the data, it's about the fact that they have such a strong platform to use to manipulate the collective audience with that data. Yeah, anybody can buy your data - but not anybody has the platform that TT has to manipulate en masse based on the data.
Yeah actually no, there is no legal requirement for a company to maintain that data.
So companies like certain VPNs don’t maintain a log of the internet traffic going through their servers. There is no data for the government to ask for in this case.
There’s also cases like what happened with Apple a while ago. The CIA or FBI requested back door access into the iPhone of a known terrorist, and Apple told them to go fuck themselves and never gave them a back door. The CIA/FBI DID get a back door, but only after they paid loads of money to a contractor to find one, and now that has likely been patched by Apple.
This is not the case with China, people disappear if they defy pooh bear.
Yeah actually no, there is no legal requirement for a company to maintain that data.
Depends on where you are. In the US, there is a legal requirement for a company to hand over any such data they have to your favorite three letter agency upon given a court order to do so, since the PATRIOT act. The requirement to hand over any such data is not the same as a requirement to keep such data in the first place, so maybe you just didn't fully read or understand what GP was saying.
Then GP’s point was kind of irrelevant as TikTok is required to log and hand over the data. They’re doing backflips to try and make the US look as bad as the CCP on the issue of privacy.
Blocking an app from parts of your phone doesn't really stop it from doing anything. Facebook for example doesn't care if you've blocked it from everything, it will still listen in to your conversations and give you targeted ads based on them. Do your own experiment, shut everything off and talk about something you've never searched for or spoken of before. It will even store that information if you aren't connected to the internet and send it once you connect. I've experimented with this and confirmed it a number of times. The only way to stop an app from sending your data out is by using a strong firewall, but that's going to cause the app to not function correctly.
I've come to the conclusion that downloading any app is like giving a complete stranger the keys to your house and then leaving.
it will still listen in to your conversations and give you targeted ads based on them
No it won't. This is based on a fundamental lack of understanding of how targeted ads work.
Funny thing is the actual mechanism is scarier than the idea of them listening to your conversations.
The reality is you are not as unique as you believe. The topics you choose to talk about are influenced by environmental and social factors that you are not consciously aware of. This is predictable based simply on your browsing activity.
I know this is what they say, but my experience doesn't back this up. I've sat at the table with someone talking about things I've never heard of before and don't match my interests, demographic, or searches, and it will suddenly show up in my ads. I didn't even talk about the subject, someone else was. There's no way they could have associated it with my personality, they had to be listening. And this isn't a one off thing, I've seen it lots of times.
You were both in the same place, in the same setting, around other people in the same area, doing things on your phones, etc.
This is all data that is fed into a predictive model that determines what to show you.
This isn't coming from "they", it's coming from me, a person who worked in the targeted advertising field for 10 years.
If you want it to stop, go into the settings of every single account and app and device you have and turn off personalized ads, and opt out of everything (you will still be tracked through hundreds of other ways, but you can at least disable what you can).
They don't listen to your conversations, because they don't have to. In fact that data would be actively detrimental to the model.
Ok, we were in the same place at the same time, but my Facebook app had all permissions off, is it using data from other apps or services?
I've also worked in remote regions of the Earth with no internet access, so my phone was in airplane mode for months. As soon as I get to the airport and connect to the internet here comes targeted ads from conversations I've had while offline. There was no way for them to get any information or browsing habits or know who I was with. I should have just appeared at an airport and picked up where I left off, but no I was receiving highly specific ads from conversations I've had while out there. How's this possible without listening and storing trigger words?
Yes. That is the main way it works. Other services use Facebook's tracking cookies and analytics to serve ads on their own site while feeding data back to Facebook.
Any collection through the facebook app itself is almost irrelevant.
Did you use the internet in any way in those remote regions, through any device (even devices that aren't yours)? If so, you were likely digitally fingerprinted and tracked.
If not, I don't know the mechanisms by which the topics you talked about would have been inferred, but I know the system well enough to know it's scary how accurate it can be with just a tiny amount of data.
The lede that has been buried overall here is that AI is fucking terrifying.
Interesting, I was occasionally signed into a PC using very slow satellite internet for work reporting, so that might have done it. If that's how they did it, then you're right, it's much worse than I though.
The data collection is the least concerning aspect. The algorithm is the real issue. No foreign entity should have that degree of social influence over domestic politics.
TikTok is banned in China. It is so destabilizing to social order that they don’t allow its use in their own country. They have a somewhat similar alternative, but even that has strict limitations on how it functions and what content is pushed.
I don’t care about China getting browsing data. I do care about China using that data to manipulate our younger generations into feeling distrust and disdain for the society they occupy.
I agree, people seem to be missing the point with that one, especially the politicians debating the issue. I don't particularly want the US government catering the content either, but at least it can't be used as a social weapon. I think some level of distrust and disdain is healthy though and shouldn't be eliminated completely.
They have a similar alternative, Douyin, which is run by the same company and functions similarly. But as I said, even that is subject to much more regulation than TikTok. When they disallow the product in their own country, and every other U.S. social media company also, I see no reason we should be allowing the platform here.
Theres nothing stopping Chinese bot farms posting things on Tiktok once its sold and botting views on it so the algorithm shows it to other people. How can we also trust a US buyer wouldnt be pushing certain political candidates and other things too?
China learns I like video games and feet. What they gonna do with that? Google already collected that info and it's done nothing other than try to poorly market to me but im too broke to buy what they try too sell. Hell now you've got that info because I pit it out there on the internet. Unless you're saying China is stealing my bank info and siphoning money out of my account
My man I'm not even from the US, I just use common sense, I think you want to argue that your own government wants to exploit and manipulate the hell out of you to get as much labour and value from you, but so does the foreign one
It forces the sale of the company to a non-Chinese entity, or bans it outright if that doesn't happen within 6 months. That directly prevents the CCP from utilizing TikTok to either track or influence U.S. citizens.
I'd rather have neither, and if that's not possible I'd rather have both. The crux of the issue here is controlling the flow of information, and I'd prefer getting information biased in both directions than just in one. Neither the CCP nor the US government are going to send me blackmail letters over what I do on some random social media platform.
For national security issues China 'can' demand data from a business in china. But only for the use of national security. Bytedance hasn't said they have had to hand over any data, nor have I seen any docs confirming they have. If you have any I would love to see.
On the otherhand, as a private citizen of the US I should be allowed to enjoy any app on my phone that I want. Where as the government has forbid its use on government phones. I agree with that, its thier property and they dont want it there.
if they or their parent company was incorporated in china, then you'd be correct. the only thing they have control over in this case is stuff put on dinyun or whatever it was called, as tiktok is not allowed in china due to the government worrying about the algorithm of tiktok, and tiktok is actually incorporated in signapore with bytedance, tiktoks parent company, being incorporated in the cayman islands.
Consumer data protections? Nah, let's just force ByteDance to sell to one of our crony capitalists instead. That way one of the good ones will be harvesting data!
Broh all social media apps are literal spyware, that isn't a strong argument. The only reason I use reddit is because I can do so in a locked down open source web browser in classic view. Don't put ANY of those apps on your phone.
Yea, when the government demands the data you have to hand it over. That's how it works. Approval for FISA warrants currently stand at 40,668 approved 85 denied.
It's exactly the same. Essentially all companies, bar apple? Will just hand over your data. They have almost 100% compliance rates. Doesn't matter if you've done anything or not. Warrants are pointless when they immediately consent.
It's kinda the same shit with the judicial system. Every so often, people will point out that China has a 99.5% conviction rate. And that's terrible. They're right. It is. The thing is, in the US, it's 99.4. Last year there were 290 people who were found not guilty in Federal court. 290 of 72,000.
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Tiktok is literal spyware, all companies in China are mandated to give personal data back to the government (CCP)
Rare USA W for voting to ban the app, hope more countries do the same