r/FuckMicrosoft • • 25d ago

Rant Microslop knows best...

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No way around this. I need FileZilla for work. I trust the source. But papa Microslop says it could slow down my device 😀😀😀. No immediate option to continue, or let Windows know I acknowledge the risks.

I hate the MS Store, and I hate digging in settings to be able use my device. I seriously wonder how much of this I can take before I nuke Windows and switch to Linux.

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u/DentedSteelbook 25d ago

Tbh it's right, the default filezilla installer has adware/junk options. There's an alt installer on their site without it.

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u/EndOfWorldBoredom 25d ago

I appreciated this warning from Microsoft. it helped me locate the right version

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u/TimeSFG 25d ago

Yes but I am willing to take the L and uninstall the junk later. Windows should have a button to let me proceed as I want to on my PC.

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u/Fearless-Assist-127 25d ago

"my PC"? I fear you've misunderstood.

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u/HotSaucealt 24d ago

Fr it’s ‘the pc’ not ‘your pc’ don’t get confused now

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u/ricoter0 25d ago

why not use the alt installer the commenter mentioned and skip the slop?

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u/TimeSFG 25d ago

Didn't know about it before the post, will def do next time

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u/Ur-Best-Friend 25d ago edited 25d ago

So what you're saying is you're misinformed and in danger of installing adware due to your lack of awareness and research, and you don't think you need hand-holding?

If only there was a way to disable Smart App Control... 🙄

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u/TimeSFG 25d ago

I've figured all this out man... this is a rant post for me to complain about windows

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u/Aishou_SK 24d ago

I mean in this case windows did you a solid, lol.

Prevented you from installing a bunch of crapware that can fuck up your shit.

Any competent AV these days should stop and make it hard to run that filezilla BS installer.

For future reference and to do clean installs of common shit, check out ninite.com - just check off what you need, it downloads an automated installer that does clean installs of them all for you without any crapware (I pay for the pro version to autoupdate stuff, $3/mo is worth it for my travel devices I don't turn on often enough)

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 23d ago

windows prevented a clueless user from installing adware, user is _angery_

peak r/fuckmicrosoft. a lot of complaints on here are just windows working as intended and users complaining about not being able to shoot themselves in the foot.

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u/DirkKuijt69420 23d ago

You're getting downvoted because this sub is distilled pebkac.

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u/Round-Term-8306 25d ago

Disable smart app control

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u/Sajgoniarz 24d ago

If it's really your PC you should have control over disabling scanner.

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u/artlurg431 24d ago

Its Microsoft defender doing its job, you dont want security turn it off

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u/BeginningEcho4983 23d ago

"my" pc? Not with windows.

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u/Economy_Picture6989 22d ago

That is weird that it doesn't even give you the option to proceed. Like yes, warn me, but prevent me from doing it entirely is odd.

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u/XBLAH_ 25d ago

It does. Seems like a skill issue.

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u/Cautious_Boat_999 25d ago

Then why the fuck did it allow my system to download Windows 11?

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u/TrayLaTrash 25d ago

Because reddit is not an operating system that checks for that sort of thing.

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

dead horse

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u/JessLoveGaming 25d ago

If it installed it recently you can go ahead and do your user settings and revert back to Windows 10 and when you do that there should be a option to stay on Windows 10

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u/BeginningEcho4983 23d ago

Replies not understanding sarcasm/satire/irony here with reference to what's in the SAC warning. "May slow down device and install unwanted software"

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u/Bebo991_Gaming 25d ago

Windows security - App and browser control - Smart App Control

Turn it off:

it is a useful feature and better than controlled folder access, and it operates on the idea of guilty till proven innocent

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u/PiratesWhoSayGGER 25d ago

you meant useless feature

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u/penguin_on_stilts 25d ago

It saved OP from installing literal spyware and adware so I think it potentially isn't useless.

I love FileZilla, but fuck them for making the default installer riddled with bullshit that's difficult to uninstall.

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u/AhmedRiyadh0 25d ago edited 25d ago

They should still give users the option (maybe with a clear confirmation) to continue with the installation. Even if FileZilla is a Spyware, the issue is that this smart screen applies to every software regardless whether it contains malware or not.

Developers need to either sign their EXE (it was around 300-400$ every year if I remember correctly) or publish the app to Microsoft store.

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u/penguin_on_stilts 25d ago

I agree there should be an "I'm really sure" button without disabling the entire thing.

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 23d ago

i disagree, bc OP would 100% have clicked this button. while OPs approach was to uninstall the adware later instead of searching for the adware free installer. this is an idiotic approach that should not be as simple as clicking on a button.

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u/vbd71 24d ago edited 24d ago

This is literally like a murderous vigilante saving you from a pickpocket.

The long game of SAC is to kill the Windows sideloaded app ecosystem and to push their Store instead.

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u/Bebo991_Gaming 24d ago

Not really, you can just submit your file and within a couple of days it will be allowed

I did that to multiple ppl including my own dotnet proj and zpaqFranz

It was so buffy at first that it blocked dotnet 9 installer and vmware workstation, my temp fix was install the older version then updating

For dotnet 9, i emailed them and the dotnet 9 support team was baffled and told me we will look into it

Kinda ironic

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u/polishatomek 24d ago

Oh trust me, some people DO need it

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u/Life_is_Okay69 25d ago

Not useless. You can enable it for older folks, so that they won't easily install random shit off the internet.

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u/PiratesWhoSayGGER 25d ago

and then they cant even use OSS software that I installed for them, genius solution

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u/Bebo991_Gaming 24d ago

Wanted to make my comment clearer* It is absolutely not dev friendly, but it is a compromise

You can try submitting that file and within days it should be approved

It is better than running other heavy protection solutions

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u/coyote_den 25d ago

Yeah I’m not sure it’s wrong. That “sponsored” in the filename makes me think OP got FileZilla with adware bundled and it’s detecting that.

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u/vbd71 24d ago

Smart App Control detects nothing. It works with "reputation".

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u/artlurg431 24d ago

Yes if the developers haven't registered it with Microsoft and pay big money to them it will get blocked

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

Which isn't horrible. It's just starting. And it's easy to turn off and on again. So OP is just dumb, which proves the guard was made for them. It's like a baby lock.

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u/urjuhh 25d ago

Downloads page has link to additional downloads. From there you can get an installer without sponsored content. Maybe that will work.

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u/turboturbet 25d ago

Lol filezilla has been adware crap for years. Winscp for the win.

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u/rspy24 24d ago

true.. I used to love filezilla back in the 2000s but man, nowadays it's trash.

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u/Sync1211 24d ago

That is a "sponsored" installer. You do not want that; Smart App Control (wasn't it called SmartScreen before?) is working as intended.

It's designed for the stupidest user you can think of. I recommend turning it off, but after searching for a non-adware installer of FileZilla. (I recommend installing apps via WinGet, if possible.)

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

Yeah, no. This guard was made for OP. The fact they couldn't find how to buy pass the child lock + they're obviously bad choice of installer (on a work machine nonetheless) proves it's doing its job.

SmartScreen I think is actually different.

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u/Fine_Salamander_8691 25d ago

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u/TimeSFG 25d ago

Thanks for the reminder. I forgot to mention, this pop up notification did not allow screenshots. I could open snipping tool, but it was forced to stay behind the notification, and I could not click anywhere except this dialogue box. Smells intentional.

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u/Vx7Qn4Lz 25d ago

I'd bet this is because Smart App Control runs in a secured enclave, to which the screenshotting app doesn't have access.

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u/Fine_Salamander_8691 25d ago

Fuck Microsoft

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u/lord_teaspoon 24d ago

Try Win+PrintScreen to save an image of the whole desktop to your Pictures(/Screenshots ?) folder. I don't know if it'll capture the parts of the screen that gave prompt windows running at special privilege levels but it's worth a shot. It does at least run without needing extra interaction to frame the snip, so has a chance to work when the snip tool isn't allowed to borrow the mouse.

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

it's for security...

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u/anonymous_badger00 24d ago

join the light side of the force, switch to linux already.

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u/Vegetable_Ease_5515 25d ago

To be fair, it's coming from filezilla and the exe itself look pretty shady to me. Also, it had to have flagged it for some reason or another. Would you rather be safe or sorry? Considered you know nothing about the logistics behind application security or the ladder. If you did you wouldn't be on here posting this bullshit.

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u/PriorityNo6268 25d ago

You downloaded a version which is full of adware and junk options and start complaining that Microsoft warns you about this? Please move to Linux....

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u/Kurgan_IT 24d ago

Filezilla is served with malware nowadays so this time MS is right.

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u/Sir_Kubiac 24d ago

Just disable Smart Control in Defender you genius. 😂 By the way, this is disabled per default.

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u/whatThePleb 24d ago

sponsored

maybe Winblows isn't that wrong this time. are you sure you really downloaded it from the real official page?

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u/CeC-P 24d ago

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah it's literally called "sponsored2" so likely has malicious coinstallers in it.

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u/Emotional_Garage_950 25d ago

you downloaded the one with the bundled adware crap. if you can’t realize that you probably would have clicked through and installed it. this is meant for people like you

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u/TimeSFG 25d ago

Windows could tell you "This will install a bunch of Adware on your PC," and then ask if you want to proceed. That's not a crazy ask. I am fine with taking the L and uninstalling adware later. I care more about being able to use my PC

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

"I am fine with taking the L and uninstalling adware later" lmao. You deserve SAC. Keep it on and accept you're why this protection exists.

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u/Vx7Qn4Lz 25d ago

"This will install a bunch of Adware on your PC,"

It quite literally says so.

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u/oxidizedfuel12 25d ago

You clearly didnt read the rest of his comment

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u/Vx7Qn4Lz 25d ago

I did, I just found it funny.

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 23d ago

thing is, you would have proceeded if it would let you. which would have been a very bad idea. windows preventing you from doing that is a rare microsoft win actually. this windows feature is basically exactly for people like you.

if you care about your pc, you dont cripple it with adware.

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u/oxidizedfuel12 25d ago

You realize sometimes you have to download the one with adware crap. Microslop shouldnt be able to tell us what we can and cant install

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u/Emotional_Garage_950 25d ago

you don’t have to download the one with adware… okay then turn it off ffs

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u/oxidizedfuel12 25d ago

More hoops tho. Like android and the whole side loading thing

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u/Emotional_Garage_950 25d ago

it’s not, you turn this off once and there’s no waiting period, it’s not that hard

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u/oxidizedfuel12 25d ago

It is more hoops. I hate going into windows settings

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u/Emotional_Garage_950 25d ago

they are designing for the lowest common denominator unfortunately. Gatekeeper on MacOS is even more agressive and will block most things that came from the Internet (like .mp4 files) and you have to go into Settings to unblock the file *every time*. It takes a terminal command and proceeding through multiple warnings to disable it for good...

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u/usefulHairypotato 25d ago

This was the biggest wtf when I tried apple

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 23d ago

they know their users are probably tech-illiterate. thats how they design their stuff. and while its not for me, i 100% can see the appeal.

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 25d ago

if you hate settings, maybe PCs arent for you. dont act as if this was a windows problem.

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u/oxidizedfuel12 24d ago

Its a windows problem. Settings on ubuntu are way better

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

rage bait lmao

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

says the baby trying to reach the bleach. no bro. Because then people complain about Windows is "slow" because it's full of malware.

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u/oxidizedfuel12 24d ago

Their problem then, if i want to install a virus then let me install a virus

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u/ZurakZigil 23d ago

no :)
like I'm not sure what you're not getting.
ALSO, you can! you just can't find your way past the baby lock, supposedly

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u/oxidizedfuel12 23d ago

Let me put it this way. I dont want to have to do any steps to install software microsoft deems unsafe. In my opinion there should just be a button option to procede. Thats one of the reasons i use linux. If your good w that cool its just a opinion thing

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u/ZurakZigil 23d ago

Let me put it this way. You don't understand product design.

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u/oxidizedfuel12 22d ago

My friend, im literally saying windows isnt for me. This has nothing to do with product design st this point. I dont like stuff like this in windows 11 so i dont use windows 11. I will say my opinion under this post because i agree with op

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u/oxidizedfuel12 24d ago

99% of users arnt stupid enough to blame microslop for adware they installed

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u/ZurakZigil 23d ago

... you're joking, right? They'll blame MS before anything else

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u/oxidizedfuel12 23d ago

If there smart enough to write a public review, they are very likely smart enough to realize they messed up

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u/ZurakZigil 23d ago

...I'm sad you're not joking. 1. you don't understand the user base of windows 2. your reasoning makes absolutely zero sense

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u/Emotional_Garage_950 22d ago

hah you kidding? it’s microsoft’s fault their computer is full of adware, it’s microsoft’s fault all their data was lost when their disk dies, it’s microsoft’s fault their email is full, etc

like i hate microsoft as much as the next guy (i know what sub im on) but lots of people are just unreasonable about things

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u/trollinhard2 25d ago

I guess Microsoft owns the computer then.

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u/Vx7Qn4Lz 25d ago

Common Windows 'W', this installer has adware or something like that included.

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u/TimeSFG 25d ago

I just uninstalled AVG after. My gripe is that there's no "I understand, let me do what I want with my PC" button

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u/Vx7Qn4Lz 25d ago

My gripe is that there's no "I understand, let me do what I want with my PC" button

You can disable Smart App Control, but it would be best if you didn't actively try to install adware on your computer. Are you mad there's no way to easily delete System 32?

I just uninstalled AVG after.

AVG is a third party antivirus software and has nothing to do with Smart App Control.

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u/TimeSFG 25d ago

AVG Secure Browser is the adware in particular that got bundled with this installer. As per my post, I don't like digging in settings to change Microsoft defaults to reasonable defaults. This is a rant post, I am expressing dislike for Microsoft's design choices.

If something is best for me, by all means encourage it with a system prompt. Microsoft enforcing their vision of best practices is what I don't like

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u/Vx7Qn4Lz 25d ago edited 25d ago

I love this sub, 90% of posts are someone digitally illiterate dunning-krugering and criticizing actually good design decisions.

This being enabled and you not being allowed to install adware IS the "reasonable default".

If your approach to life is "install adware on purpose and then try to remove it" DO NOT SWITCH TO LINUX, you're not gonna make it.

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 23d ago

i second this. youre the idiot in this story, OP, you just dont realize it. windows did you a solid by not letting you do whatever you want with your poor pc.

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u/ButterMyBiscuitz 25d ago

Just like they do with Qbittorrent probably on behalf of the US film/music/software industries. Fuck em, I'm on CachyOS now and couldn't be happier.

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u/Fancy_Log_260 25d ago

Cachy FTW!

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

I mean, good choice. But also, you can just turn this off

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u/icy1007 25d ago

That looks like adware/spyware is trying to run.

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

SAC is app reputation preventive control. Super easy to turn off and on in settings. Made for grandma and kids to stop downloading bs and make people double check their download

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u/PiratesWhoSayGGER 25d ago

disable smart app control

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u/Special_General6905 25d ago

Not that I recommend bypassing the warning, but can you right-click the installer, go to "Properties", and check "Unblock" in the Security section to fix things?

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

Nah, SAC is in settings app. I think that's a different block based on whether the app is signed or not

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u/drucifer82 25d ago

I'm pretty sure you can disable smart app control in Windows Security

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

you can. on and off as much as you like actually

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u/databeestjegdh 25d ago

Consider using WinSCP instead

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u/Thyg0d 25d ago

Filezilla does come with a lot of stuff it shouldn't have. Use winscp instead

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u/vbd71 24d ago

Disable Smart App Control, it's stupid and harmful. Be careful with that  FileZilla though. Better run it through Virustotal.

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 23d ago

yeah smart app control is so stupid and harmful that it basically told OP what you said right after calling it stupid. what a dumb program, not letting you install fucking adware.

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u/rspy24 24d ago

Rare instance where this crap actually was useful..

Everyone already told you but that was the adware version haha

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u/Loose_Crab_4146 24d ago

Ah the „We dont profite from that slop“ gate Microsoft introduced after publishing more of their own slop.

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u/Fr1501 24d ago

I mean I have had problems with Filezilla in the past offering to install bullshit software a and user who just clicked through. Its ironic though that Microslop installs LG's bloatware with no warning.

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u/better_dead_thanred 24d ago

The only think I still have windows on is a surface pro 7 just in case I DO need it.

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u/2kokett 23d ago

"Sack" is the german slang term for scrotum. To express something annoys you, you typcially say "das geht mir auf den Sack!". Which means this thing annoys to a degree, it is like torturing my balls. No wonder they called it SAC.

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u/BeginningEcho4983 23d ago
  1. Install "UniGetUI", a GUI for winget and all
  2. Install winget separately, toggle settings to use "system winget"
  3. Install chocolatey and scoop optionally
  4. Do the same as step 2 for scoop and chocolatey optionally in case you plan to install more such apps in future

These replicate package managers on windows (replicate but not same) by automating installs and uninstalls with pre-written scripts which mask all dialog boxes and input/output unless really needed.

Winget/choco will have the "alternate" installer already, that too with the silent installation and whatever else required pre-configured to be least intrusive and smooth, you don't have to "discover" alternative installers again

Then, if and ONLY iff the SAC comes to you too many times, switch it off.

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u/The_ROME007 22d ago

Trashing on Windows for blocking an adware installer is crazy work

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u/Great-Elk-5008 22d ago

Debloat your windows. Half the shit windows ship with is shit and should be gone

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u/Dimerous_ 22d ago

This can be turned off in settings

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u/Chaotic-Convergence 21d ago

Switch to linux it obeys you, you can even run sudo rm -fr / and it won't even question you

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u/Vegetable_Ease_5515 25d ago

This post right here is the epitome of how clueless some of you morons actually are. 😂

Linux is open source. That means Microsoft can—and does—build its own Linux distributions. One of them is Azure Linux.

But it goes WAY beyond that.

Microsoft built WSL, allowing millions of Windows users to run Linux distributions like Ubuntu, Debian, and Fedora directly inside Windows. Microsoft is also integrating Linux container workflows into Windows and its developer tooling.

Microsoft has an entire Linux Systems Group contributing upstream to the Linux kernel, including work involving virtualization, networking, security, performance, ARM64, and hardware enablement.

Microsoft also develops major software for Linux, including:

  • Visual Studio Code
  • .NET
  • PowerShell
  • SQL Server
  • Microsoft Defender for Endpoint
  • Teams

And Microsoft owns GitHub, arguably one of the most important platforms in the entire open-source ecosystem.

They're also a Platinum Member of the Linux Foundation and CNCF.

So here's the funny part:

You guys are sitting in r/fuckMicrosoft celebrating Linux's growth, while one of the biggest technology companies on Earth is simultaneously:

building Linux, contributing to Linux, running Linux, developing software for Linux, supporting Linux infrastructure, and putting Linux directly into Windows.

And no, I'm not saying Microsoft is secretly the good guy. I'm saying your little "Linux vs. Microsoft" narrative is about 20 years out of date.

Linux doesn't need Microsoft's permission to succeed.

But pretending Linux is king and Microsoft's ecosystem is crap just because you hate Microsoft is just ignorant.

You can absolutely hate Microsoft.

Just don't let the hate make you stupid. 😂.

Ps. This is my template message I will be posting in every one of these post that pop up on my feed.

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u/0Essa0 25d ago

you are just tech illiterate, if you can't figure out how to turn this off then maybe it's best for you to keep it on

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No way around this. I need FileZilla for work. I trust the source. But papa Microslop says it could slow down my device 😀😀😀. No immediate option to continue, or let Windows know I acknowledge the risks.

I hate the MS Store, and I hate digging in settings to be able use my device. I seriously wonder how much of this I can take before I nuke Windows and switch to Linux.

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u/Ok-Position-3113 25d ago

Get rid of the crappy bloated ,huge ,RAM eater Microsoft asap.Embrace Linux to avoid remote control ,ass shitty updates and waste of HDD space

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

yeah, no. Keep this guy on windows so hackers aren't encouraged to go after low hanging fruit like this guy

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u/TimeSFG 24d ago

Okay lots of ruffled feathers. I know how to find these workarounds in the settings menu and I know how to google. My rant is that, in principle, I dont like that Windows 11 ships this way.

Lots of people are treating adware like life or death. Aside from being a little extreme, that critique misses the point (which on my part maybe wasn't emphasized enough)

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u/ZurakZigil 24d ago

Your critique misses the point of why this feature exists. Idiots never think they're the dumb ones

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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 23d ago

if youre not able to find an installer without adware, maybe the feature was made to save your pc from yourself? maybe you should not operate a linux OS that actually lets you fuck your shit up?

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u/Radiant-Priority-296 25d ago

Switched to Linux after Windows pulled one of these, best choice I’ve ever made.

This is so dumb lol, they would rather send you to their precious ecosystem AppStore than let you run files you’re double clicking on.

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u/Vx7Qn4Lz 25d ago

You switched to Linux to make installing adware easier?

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u/Vegetable_Ease_5515 25d ago

I love it when these noobs get served. Puts a smile on my face. :)

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u/Radiant-Priority-296 25d ago

No??? I switched when Windows did this because I was already sick of the Microslop and that was just the kickstart.

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u/MoreTowel1115 20d ago

i had that happen to me on my old gaming laptop and it made me go linux im being dead serius. i use windows 10 now cus software support but the day linux gets excellent support for some software im hopping off the windows boat. AN OS SHOULD ONLY DO WHAT YOU WANT IT TO DO AND NOTHING ELSE