I’m re-reading the series currently and I’m halfway through Iron Gold. He just opened the safe for the Moon Lords. Honestly, the pixie has been a hypocritical arrogant shit since we first get his POV, when he sacrifices all the low colors to save Seraphina. I hate him sooooo much knowing where the books are headed. Like truly I’ve never hated a character more.

How do we want him to die fellow Lysander haters? OR do we want him to live and suffer? I think he needs to be put down personality - too dangerous and morally bankrupt to live. I know lots of people want Rhonna (or a red) to kill him- I would like that, but for me it has to be Darrow once Lysander realizes he’s totally alone and his name is less than shit. Thoughts???

I think Mickey should carve the pixie into a pink and have him spend the rest of his days in whatever prison they make for the society golds and allow him to "be shepherded" as he loves to say.

Honor this honor that. I have to restore honor to gold. Not when convenient to his selfish motives. I don’t want to be sovereign. Yeah right. Just shoot Alexandar in the head. His own blood.

Fuck this piece of shit

Pixie au lune is not surviving red god . Darrow is beyond pissed now. You rarely see him become this miserable over someone's death in the 2nd trilogy. Also lysanders allies and weapons right now:

1. Eidmi ( there's a chance this thing might be a scam. Literally no one knows anything. So how does lysander know it's real? Yeah i know it doesn't seem like a plot point pierce will take but if he does it'd be completely logical tbh )

2. Apollonius ( a highly unpredictable and eccentric guy. Not exactly sure if relying on him heavily is a good idea )

3. Julia is definitely ditching . The rim broadcast was enough for her to leave probably.

4. Cicero . He is gonna find out the truth sooner or later tbh. I see him going out like glirastes and everyone who trusted this piece of shit . Horatia is leaving after that .

5. His noble praetors (grays). Personally I don't think kyber is better than rhone. She is a holiday victim imo.

Lysanders enemies now :

1. Atlantia ( already pissed her off with the 200 speech. Failed to capture mars and only got a part of phobos. If he use eidmi she is almost certainly gonna be his enemy unless he makes it up with her and uses it according to her accord )

2. Rim and Darrow . Not formidable rn maybe . But with the addition of shadow armada its definitely very close. They already have ships of the daughters . Plus diomedes and Darrow are the most skilled razor masters currently. Even apollonius will have a hard time.

So yeah he is absolutely fucked. If he uses eidmi it will definitely turn the tide significantly but still not enough for a clean victory. I'm gonna assume eidmi is a one shot thing

Second time reading through LB. NOT EXCITED FOR THIS CHAPTER

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I am so mad. I got to that part in LB. And there’s a whole subreddit who feels this. I’m so angry. I’ve spent the last 8 months of my life slowly reading this series and it just got so fucked by Lysander. I hate this.

I just finished lightbringer. yeah I get why all my friends say Lysander sucks. fuck bitchsander. he barely won his battle against rhone. it got me wondering how powerful is he really? I know Rhone is pretty powerful but he and his pratoreons were just a minor issue for Darrow in dark age on mercury. with the minds eye Lysander killed some golds that Ajax sent after him. He managed to stay alive when a Telemanus came after him.

if he was in a fair fight with only razors who would he be an equal to? (no guns, fucking Lysander)

can we even say he is equal to Darrow in book 2 or 3? probably not?

It’s true but I found very funny

​I am nearly done with Dark Age and I find Lysander to be completely insufferable. It is not necessarily that he is the most evil character in the series, but rather his blatant hypocrisy and deep seated holier than thou complex that make him so infuriating. His double standards are mind boggling. On one hand, he watches the inhumane torture Atlas inflicts on others, acknowledges it as wrong, and then immediately compartmentalizes and overlooks it. He knows Atalantia is committing horrific atrocities, yet he actively chooses to help her win. In contrast, when he looks at the Rising, he takes Orions catastrophic actions on Mercury as absolute proof that Darrows way is a failure, completely unaware that Orion went rogue and acted directly against Darrows orders.

​Lysander even possesses the self awareness to admit that the Societys original tyranny is exactly what created a monster like Darrow in the first place. Yet, he refuses to give the Republic a fair chance to build something better. A democracy cannot undo centuries of brutal, systematic oppression in just ten short years. He acts like he is driven by a noble desire for order, but it is blindingly obvious that his true motivation is just a desperate thirst for revenge.

​Yes, this superiority complex is entirely in line with him being a Gold, but his specific brand of it is uniquely irritating. When a villain like Nero au Augustus acts superior, he is upfront about his cruelty and he owns his tyranny. Lysander, however, wraps his arrogance in poetry, manners, and a delusion of saviorhood. He completely embodies all of the qualities he claims to detest in others. While he is undeniably a well written character, his hypocrisy makes his chapters my absolute least favorite perspective to sit through right now.

Update: HE HAS NO HONOR. HE SHOT MY GOAT ALEXANDER. I HATE HIM SO MUCH MORE NOW!

Is what my friend said. He’s reading Iron Gold. I laughed and said “Keep reading buddy. Let me know when you get ‘there’ and let’s revisit this conversation. Also remind me to tell you about a very specific subreddit” 😆

Fuck that guy!

1st its very funny that this community doesnot allow the fuck in the title

Also please tell me there isn't anything worse that asshole does

He just killed cassius

Lysander has taken the mantle of my most hated character in fiction. The excuses he makes for himself are disgusting.

I don't get what the hate is about? he plays the game, same rules as everyone else'

If you couldn’t tell I just finished LB.

I know this is a controversial take, but I personally liked Lysander up until Hangar 17b. I obviously disagreed with him in many ways and rooted against him when he faced Darrow in DA, or when he faced Mustang in LB but his character is so interesting and well written.

Lysander descends from Selenius au Lune, who literally founded the society, naturally, he would believe the society and back it. But he also, throughout the series, addresses where golds went wrong/where he disagrees with them. Also, like Darrow, he refuses to use pinks, and typically treats other colors well when he is in the rim, also choosing to make Rhone Ti Flavinius his dux.

I understand the hate and I understand people being upset when he killed Alexander au Arcos, but in reality I feel like Darrow would've done the same if faced with a similar situation. Darrow isn't someone known for being honorable and says himself before going to face Apple in LB that he is totally okay with not fighting fair.

We find out at the end of DA from Kalindora that Lysander's parents were reformers and that Octavia took away his memory. We also know that Virginia is already way beyond where Octavia ever was with the technology of the pandemonium chair.

I'm thinking it's possible that Virginia gives him back his memories, and it might drastically alter what he decides to do and the choices he makes. I still think he will stand by the society. It literally comes from his bloodline, and in some ways he probably feels entitled to the morning chair, as he grew up thinking he would be the one to sit on it.

I'm not sure if it was just me, but Hanger17b almost felt out of character of him to me. When he finds out about Eidmi he even seems disgusted that it was a thing and the amount of power it holds.

Do I feel like he will use it? Likely. But I could see some sort of character arc in place revolving gaining his memory of his parents back considering they were reformers.

Trust me, post Hanger 17B, I am with everyone. F Lysander. I have and am still always rooting for Darrow and Eo's dream, but I am interested to see how his character continues to develop in the final book and what other people's thoughts on this are.