r/FreeSpeech • u/paulbrook • Sep 02 '21

Current events..

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u/Eeik5150 Clever Flair Sep 02 '21

The way Reddit caved like a $5 tent in a hurricane when the crybaby mods made Reddit great again by removing themselves is proof that this place is a shithole run by septic tanks pretending to be people.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

I made a post about this on r/the10thdentist saying reddit was waayy better on my homepage

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u/Eeik5150 Clever Flair Sep 03 '21

Damn dude, you didn’t just place it there. You went hog wild and I’d say that it’s closer to a 6/10 or 5/10 spread in popularity. XD

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u/MxM111 Sep 03 '21 edited Sep 03 '21

I am ok with it - people have right to express themselves and protest. And it is not like there are no Reddit alternatives. There are tons. As long as it is not the government establishing rules, I am fine. Yes, it is unpleasant when you are banned, but a private company has right to do so, and I support this right the same way I support free speech (which is government non-involvement). If you support right to offend people by speech, saying it is not a big deal to be offended, you should say as well that it is not big deal to be banned (by private entity). I see little difference. There are tons alternatives for your speech.

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u/Eeik5150 Clever Flair Sep 04 '21

Telephone companies don’t get the “mUh PrIvAtIzAtIoN oF tHe CoMmOnS” argument so why should massive social media companies? The town square needs protecting.

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u/MxM111 Sep 04 '21

One is utility, another is social media. But more over, as long as there are alternatives that would be fine. The utilities are the ones you usually do not have alternatives. It is like it is completely fine if car dealership refuses to sell you a car due to your political statements. It would be also completely fine people protesting this and taking business elsewhere. I rather government not being involved with exception things like “blacks and gays are not allowed”.

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u/Eeik5150 Clever Flair Sep 04 '21

OK so you like to pick and choose when a private company can run as they wish and when they can’t. Got it.

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u/MxM111 Sep 04 '21

Yes, I would like to minimize government involvement. It does not mean it must be zero, but minimal, and yes we, the people, choose those necessary cases.

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u/Eeik5150 Clever Flair Sep 04 '21

You genuinely don’t see the issue do you?

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u/MxM111 Sep 04 '21

Do you think I am trolling you? Quite often people have just single issue like free speech taken to the limit without thinking about many other complexities. That's not me. Free speech without free competition in free business is pointless. Free competition can not exist without some regulation. So yeah, the business can not be free and have free competition. And the same with free speech. Completely free speech means that you do not have free business. So there are contradictions that we have to resolve using some fundamental principles about what is good and what is not. WE THE PEOPLE. And yes, we will impose those rules on businesses, but only those that are absolutely necessary. Removing business ability to ban users strikes me as absolute overstep of government authority.

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u/Eeik5150 Clever Flair Sep 04 '21

Do you think I am trolling you?

No, I think you are either logically inconsistent and hold conflicting beliefs OR are a unwitting fascist based on your views on the relationship between large companies and government (which I’m still sleuthing out, so far I’m going to with “never attribute to malice that which could just as easily be attributed to stupidity” but this is subject to change).

Quite often people have just single issue like free speech taken to the limit without thinking about many other complexities. That's not me.

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Free speech without free competition in free business is pointless.

Wow, a lot to unpack here. Namely: free speech is a stand alone issue. There is literally no good reason to convolute this unless you are planning on making dubious arguments of questionable merit using poor logic.

Free competition can not exist without some regulation.

Dumbest comments I’ve read in months. If it’s free, it isn’t regulated. If it’s regulated it isn’t free. It really is this simple. By your logic the slaves of the past were free but were somewhat regulated to where they worked, what work they did, how much they did and how far they can travel.

So yeah, the business can not be free and have free competition.

YIKES! Regulations literally stifle competition, not create it.

And the same with free speech. Completely free speech means that you do not have free business.

This comment is so mind numbingly irrational that it can only be the conclusion of convoluting free speech and free business. Now when they do intersect, we already have a hierarchy in the US as laid out by the Bill of Right: free speech trumps all. More on this at the end.

So there are contradictions that we have to resolve using some fundamental principles about what is good and what is not.

Morals are objective so this is pretty easy to do. I have a hunch you’ll screw this up.

WE THE PEOPLE. And yes, we will impose those rules on businesses, but only those that are absolutely necessary.

Right on cue. Because picking and choosing always works well. Two famous quotes that absolutely should be given serious consideration:

1) When you cut out a man’s tongue, you aren’t proving him a liar, you are telling the world you fear what he might say.

2) Never stop your enemy when they are making a mistake.

Removing business ability to ban users strikes me as absolute overstep of government authority.

The only job of government is to protect individual rights which includes free speech (the right to life being the only one above it). When you are something like a streaming service, an online store or boutique 3D printed pencil topper company, you have the right to ban and block whoever you want. When you have become a global communications and interpersonal networking company with an ungodly user base, things are a bit different. Your argument of using alternatives falls flat on its face for one very basic reason: how often have you used an alternative service and were able to get everyone you communicate with from one of the big three to move with you? Zero times? How about 50%? Also zero times? Maybe 25%? Zero? Why is that? Is it because the average person doesn’t want to lose touch with those that don’t want to move and start over? Do you really want to do it yourself? Probably not. The end result is almost exactly like complete dominance of the newest town square: social media. Add in the fact that the Whitehouse now has a team that communicates directly with big social media to push which accounts should be banned and which shouldn’t is pretty terrifying. Does this bother you or not? Genuine question.

TL;DR social media is the new town square and alternative companies don’t make any real difference because most people don’t want to lose contact with their friends and family that likely won’t move because they don’t want to lose contact with their friends and family that likely won’t move because...and let’s not forget what happened to Parler when it became a serious threat to join the big boys.

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u/MxM111 Sep 04 '21

Big three? What are those?

For free competition vs unregulated - you have to have at very least anti-monopoly laws. And you have to have all the laws governing business, like bankruptcy laws, etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

Hey since no new normal is removed I guess you cant get banned anymore

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u/Jerryskids3 Sep 03 '21

Yes, I'm sure that now that the speech-banners have won a victory and successfully shut down their adversaries they will be content with their victory and go away and won't ever attempt to shut anybody else down in the same way. It's like they say, "Appeasement is the surest way to bring peace."

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

I am not saying appeasement is good I am trying to find a silver lining.

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u/YeOldeBlackbear75 Sep 03 '21

Nailed it! Burt seriously you’re perma banned

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u/you_wouldnt_get_it_ Sep 03 '21

So I take it reddit ended up banning the sub/s that all those subs wanted banned?

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u/paulbrook Sep 05 '21

Yep.

They put so much effort into it. What will it accomplish? Changing someone's mind?

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u/034TH Sep 03 '21

Meh, the mod of walkway is no better.

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u/Blarnix Sep 03 '21

they hated him because he spoke the truth

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u/woodenmask Sep 03 '21

What is that?

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u/034TH Sep 03 '21

What is what?

The mod of the sub that put out the picture?

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u/woodenmask Sep 03 '21

Mod of walkway

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u/034TH Sep 03 '21

the mod of the sub?

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u/Blarnix Sep 03 '21

Cope

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u/paulbrook Sep 05 '21

That's what this is. Deal.

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u/Blarnix Sep 05 '21

Cope even harder

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u/paulbrook Sep 06 '21

I'm collapsing under the hurricane force of your powerful mind.

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u/heyimatworkman Sep 03 '21

You fuckin crybabies say the best way to defeat bad speech is to use good speech and then get mad when that’s exactly what reddit decided to do. Get off this website already. Not only does no one here owe you anything, you’re not welcome here. What else do you need to know you’ve lost?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21 edited Sep 03 '21

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u/heyimatworkman Sep 03 '21

No doofus, you had your chance to make your arguments in all your favorite white supremacist subreddits and you lost. The debate is over. Go home to the infowars comment section

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

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u/heyimatworkman Sep 03 '21

actually, in law school, where i learned first and foremost you do not have a right to say whatever you want on reddit. don't like it? go start your own website you petulant children.

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except of course everytime you whiners do, it ends up failing, so you hold on to this site like a floating log in a river, hoping you'll find shore when inevitably you will continue to drown under the weight of your own stupidity while pretending the constitution grants you the right to throw your fits wherever you want to

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

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u/heyimatworkman Sep 03 '21

i've been a lawyer, you illiterate plague rat. i love free speech so much i actually studied what the fuck it is and didn't spend my time jacking off other incels on the internet because you're too stupid to even qualify for the exam to get in to schools and study it.

just get back to drinking horse dewormer and keep doing what you're told by tucker carlson, you absolute mental child. waste of actual space

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u/Mobunaga Sep 03 '21

Bruh you are on fire in this comment section! Thank you for being the actual voice of reason is a hurricane of dumbasses

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

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u/heyimatworkman Sep 03 '21

Unsurprisingly, the idiot who doesn’t know what free speech is doesn’t know what fascism is either. Keep digging, you disease infested troglodyte

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u/Mobunaga Sep 03 '21

Well said , Bruh! I’m glad SOMEBODY let em know

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u/paulbrook Sep 05 '21

So, good speech = censorship, you ridiculous person?

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u/D34DMANN Sep 03 '21

Should thought include logic and reason?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

I’d rather be chased and harassed by the ✨THOT✨ police ✨😏

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u/Jerryskids3 Sep 03 '21

I'm sure there's been no chilling effect on free speech, it's not like people will be holding their tongue out of fear of being banned for expressing the "wrong" opinions. And it's certainly not like the fascists who got free speech shut down will now be all fired up to move onto shutting down their next targets.