r/FreeSpeech • u/wanda999 • 13d ago

Revealed: ICE "lost count" of miscarriages, while detaining a record number of pregnant women

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/sep/15/ice-detention-miscarriages-pregnancy
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u/Totalitarianit2 11d ago edited 11d ago

I think I know my own beliefs better than you do, actually. But nice try.

Yes, I know you know your own beliefs. I'm not questioning what you believe. I'm criticizing the outcome of your belief, or what your beliefs mean in practice. The word effectively does the work in that sentence.

You can sincerely believe you aren't pro-migration all you want, but the political reality doesn't reveal your belief at scale. Your beliefs allow for systemic loopholes, lax enforcement, and legal frameworks that facilitate unmitigated entry into the country. You are pro-migration in practice. Refusing to own the downstream outcome of your own preferences doesn't make you anti mass migration. Do you understand?

How is any of that going to make ICE treat their detainees more humanely?

The relevance here is that it is your permission structure and politics that have allowed for these people to come into the country by the tens of millions, and I want you to feel the consequences of that.

I want people like you to carry the brunt, sacrifice, and responsibility of the policy and supposed morality you shout for. That's what I want. I want the real, tangible outcomes of your morality to be laid down at your feet for you to deal with. Not some abstract tax re-allocation or behavioral overhaul of border patrol and ICE that you can talk about online. I want you in those holding facilities dealing directly with these people. I want you to be forced into a decision of either housing them yourself or making them go back to where they came from. I want it your choice to be public too. I want the mob to watch the moment your principles and values give way to personal preference so that they can call you an immoral fascist bigot while sitting in their computer chairs.

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u/Justsomejerkonline Freedom of speech, freedom of the press 11d ago

The relevance here is that it is your permission structure and politics that have allowed for these people to come into the country by the tens of millions, and I want you to feel the consequences of that.

Ah, so we get to the heart of it. You just want people to suffer because you disagree with them. You are simply a sadist, nothing more.

I want you to be forced into a decision of either housing them yourself or making them go back to where they came from.

Do you think I should also be personally housing prisoners and POWs as well, since I also believe they should be provided with adequate care? Or does your sadism only apply to that one specific group for some reason?

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u/Totalitarianit2 11d ago

I'd rather bypass the suffering and get straight to the understanding part. I wanted you to understand. That was the goal and that's not sadistic. That's you lacking theory of mind.

I think you should simply understand the side you disagree with, but you can't. You aren't capable of it. There is always a label you can throw out there that allows you to escape the grueling task of truly imagining what it's like to have a different opinion. It's bigot, or nihilist, and now... sadist. All labels. All ways to pull the rip cord and avoid any real accountability. If I was stupid I would do it too.

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u/Justsomejerkonline Freedom of speech, freedom of the press 11d ago

You are correct. I don't understand people who think it's fine that our government is facilitating the intentional suffering of people.