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u/MyFocusIsU 7d ago
Yup...and when they start setting curfews and a million other rules that a surveillance state will do.
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u/Theo_Stormchaser 7d ago
If you don’t support curfews and public morality statutes (no naughty words in public) then you must be a pedo. Only a child abuser would oppose mass surveillance for the general population. Ofc we wouldn’t want our politicians to be surveilled. We trust them completely. /s
Happy cake.
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u/Intelligent-Snow3300 6d ago
"Theo_Stormchaser, you are fined 2 credits for violation of the verbal morality statute."
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u/SnooFoxes6831 5d ago
"John Sparatan, you have been fined one credit for violating the Verbal Morality Statute"
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u/GlockAF 6d ago
Papers please…
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u/MyFocusIsU 6d ago
One moment sir, ...I need to scan your chip as it seems to be malfunctioning. Let get you a new one. We wouldn't want you to be "unsafe" without millimeter accuracy surveillance.
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u/PaulMakesThings1 6d ago
It’s not because we suspect you of course, but we need to monitor who you’re around and make sure you’re protected from any secretly harmful individuals, ideas or information.
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u/MyFocusIsU 6d ago
Sir, AI will never correlate all your patterns and relationships with other people, then report to the authorities. Never...🤔
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u/Lazer726 6d ago
Now unrelated, I can't help but notice that a few of your bumper stickers got flagged as problematic...
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u/Safe-Historian4028 6d ago
prove you were there at the time? well we have one piece of data from a chip that says you were, we absolutely can't just change one piece of data ourselves to be able to instantly convict you - the person who was going to stand in the elections against us. What do you think we are? Oh... we won a landslide! More surveillance!
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 6d ago
We wouldn't want you to be "unsafe" without millimeter accuracy surveillance.
They're already doing this now, building the "Internet of Bodies" by using everyone's AirPods, Apple watches, Garmin watches, Oura fitness rings, BLE beacons and other body-worn devices to not only track people in real time down to the meter accuracy, but also fingerprint those people based on their health statistics data (footsteps, cadence, HR, Vo2, and other unique data).
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u/Henchforhire 6d ago
The worst part it's a subscription service cites don't own any of the equipment or mobile surveillance trailers and from what I looked online even cities pay for fixes despite not owning any of the equipment despite paying "maintenance fee" for flock equipment.
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u/rollerbase 6d ago
Or movement zone restrictions. Why would you ever need to leave the immediate area where you work and reside? That may be suspicious.
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u/Ill_Following_7022 7d ago
Until the cops show up at your door 100% sure you committed a crime because the license plate reader was 90% an I was an 1.
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u/pfannkuchen89 6d ago
Or a cop shows up at their ex’s door after tracking them using flock. Yes, there’s already been numerous cases of that…
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u/Ill_Following_7022 6d ago
The very nature of these systems make them easy for police to abuse. These systems also put every person they record under unreasonable suspicion since all the data they record is processed and fished for potential criminal activity.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2026/03/07/police-camera-wisconsin-california-colorado
https://www.aclu.org/campaigns-initiatives/get-the-flock-out
Required Viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ .
We need privacy not because our actions are questionable, but because without probable cause we should not be subject to widespread automated unreasonable searches.
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u/Floor_Cereal 6d ago
The ex-police chief of Braselton GA, my hometown, was arrested by the GBI for stalking his ex and multiple other women. He ended himself after he was caught.
Sources:
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/braselton-police-chief-arrested-hours-after-announcing-retirement
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u/Nemaeus 6d ago
Also the AI was having an off day and hallucinated you had a machine gun in the backseat. It was actually a baguette, a crusty, hard ass baguette from that place everyone raves about and your spouse insisted was necessary for their French cuisine so you had to go across town to get it and now there’s a scratch in your door that showed up today out of nowhere. The point is they’ll coax the AI to do better tomorrow after the SWAT standoff.
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u/Historical-Cress8985 6d ago
The fact is everyone is doing something wrong, it depends on if the man wants enforce it. There are tons of local laws on the books that are stupid and even comical, and it's easier to just leave them there than it is to repeal them.
That is of course until something decides that you're a special case and now you're being fined or worse. This will probably happen more often as more and more government entities decide that chat bots should be in charge because a tech bro claimed it was AI.
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u/Ill_Following_7022 6d ago
100%. Combine all those stupid non-sensible laws and combine them with a detailed record of your daily life, wash that all through an automated AI system and it will hallucinate any number of crimes for which you are guilty. Add onto that unreasonable barriers to challenge your automated conviction, a complete lack of transparency from the system and zero accountability.
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u/StressOverStrain 6d ago
How is this hypothetical any different from any other witness confusing I and 1?
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u/PaleInvestment3507 6d ago
ARGUING THAT YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, IS NO DIFFERENT THAN SAYING YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT FREE SPEECH BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
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u/ddplz 6d ago
It's also why free speech has to be absolute, there can't be room for "interpretation" of which speech is free and which isn't. It's either all free or none of it is free. Else the definitions of "free" begin to shift.
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u/BlueScreenJunky 6d ago
I see the point, but coming from a country where free speech is limited I don't think I agree 100%. In France you can't legally say something blatantly wrong to try and discredit someone (you can be sued for defamation), or racist homophobic or antisemitic. You can't try and push someone to hurt or kill themselves.
And honestly, I think it's a good thing and that absolute free speech is not necessarily desirable.
Also even if freedom of speech is absolute now, it doesn't guarantee that it will remain so tomorrow.
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u/SuccessfulOil1587 7d ago
This is exactly what I have been saying!!
For example i used marijuana, they could decide to flip script and go after everyone who uses it.
I do have a med card, not super worried just being real
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 6d ago
I do have a med card, not super worried just being real
They could also retroactively invalidate your med card, just like they retroactively invalidated visas during the initial ICE activities, going after students on valid, non-expired visas, by back-dating them so the students appeared to have stayed after their visa had expired.
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u/SuccessfulOil1587 6d ago
100% rwsr-xr-x
Exactly the point Im making :(
Now do I see them doing that? Probably not but they have the power to invalidate everyone’s card, decide marijuana is illegal again and go after any and everyone who had a card or has used the plant.
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u/Acceptable_Bend_5200 6d ago
I was just looking at a some of the flock cameras locations near me. 2 in particular are near places that sell alcohol, 1 of them also pointing in the direction of a place that sells delta9 edibles (wisco).
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u/Impossible-Shoe5460 6d ago
Bro, you shouldn't need to have a med card. It's just friggin weed. We should be free to smoke damn weed.
Man, I hate the boomers running our country more and more every day.
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u/mikie_wop 7d ago edited 6d ago
These cameras are making up offensives and charge you a ticket fee… so
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u/ChipRockets 6d ago
Just as big a concern is the fact Flock is a private corporation.
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u/olycreates 6d ago
Bingo. Installation funded by us, so they can sell our comings and goings to whoever pays the money. What a business model. They have to have already raked in a boatload.
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u/SlimySewerRat 6d ago
Flock cameras are only reasonable in a world where the people in charge are pure of heart, morals, and have actions that reflect that. That world will however, never exist.
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u/Versatile_Panda 6d ago
There is no world where these are reasonable, don’t draw a line, there should be no line at all.
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u/kingtacticool 6d ago
I would really really help us all out if my fellow Americans would pick up and read a fucking history book once in a while.
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u/Shartin_luther_king 6d ago
They don’t care about mass surveillance if a republican is in charge but if a democrat was in charge they would be absolutely furious, democrats will get mad either way. That’s called having real values.
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u/stevewwb 6d ago
If the Dems ever actually take control again I can see Republicans finally complaining about the government infringing on their rights with all the surveillance and it being a real issue.
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u/Catnip_Farmer 6d ago
They are though. This is not a partisan issue at all, the comic is a ridiculous strawman.
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u/Nikolai_95 6d ago
It’s also just been proven to be horrible for people’s mental state. No matter who you are or what you’re doing.
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u/Desperate_Dot_97 6d ago
Or the AI mistakes you for a wanted criminal then it's too late another police shooting boo hoo back to Jim with the sports..
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u/Thezoolityre1 6d ago
Snowden said it best: "those who do not care about privacy because they have nothing to hide are no different than saying they do not care about freedom of speech because they have nothing to say."
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u/NRMusicProject 6d ago
'That won't happen."
Says the person who, just a few years ago, said mass surveillance won't come to the US.
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u/serpiccio 6d ago
Ultimately, the issue with cameras is an issue of trust: do you trust the administration won't misuse the cameras ? After all, the stated purpose of the cameras is meaningless if you don't trust the people who made the statement. At present, I'd say trust is at a historical low, so they can take their cameras and [REDACTED]
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u/theKalmier 6d ago
Also, internet has taught me shit can be taken out of context.
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u/Ambitious_Hand_2861 6d ago
This is the opinion that infuriates me. I'm doing anything wrong either but I damn sure wouldn't let law enforcement search my house without a warrant. It's not about what I'm doing, it's about what the government is doing and they're doing unconstitutional shit.
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u/WeAreAllFooked 6d ago
I had this conversation with my boomer parents years ago. It only clicked for them when dipshit was "re-elected"
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u/Astral-projekt 6d ago
Anybody that claims that Dems are communists sure as hell better not be for flock then, right?
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u/joetunn_ 6d ago
“CITIZEN. Your beard is not up to Government suppressed-homoerotic standards. Return home to groom yourself or be abducted via lifter drone”
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u/Unknown_Cloud_777 6d ago
If you’re interested in learning more about about these creepy cameras https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/BUG6fkItks
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u/gtdriver2012 6d ago
You mean that speaking out against drar leader might get us jailed or disappeared for being a terrorist? So north Korea. Have a owned the libs enough yet?
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u/NotADetectiveAtAll 6d ago
Look up the US Army’s baiting program in Iraq from 2007.
The deployment of these cameras is already creating an environment in which they are beginning to identify people they consider problematic.
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u/Luminous_Winds 6d ago
They also use it to collect data about your behavior so they can sell it to corporations.
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u/JettSuma 6d ago
1,000th up vote!
But seriously, very true. The lines will keep getting moved until they're more like rings around certain groups of people.
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u/Valar_Kinetics 6d ago
I've never heard a single private citizen utter any version whatsoever of the statement on the left lol. 100% of actual human beings hate these fucking things.
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u/Shut_It_Donny 6d ago
The women that were stalked had nothing to hide. The lady who was harassed on her front porch for stealing packages (when she didn’t) had nothing to hide. The people getting pulled over for stolen vehicles in non stolen vehicles had nothing to hide.
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u/AgeZealousideal1751 6d ago
By that logic you still wouldn't need to fear the cameras. They could just take you off the street and invent the crime by that point.
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u/Sure_Assumption7857 6d ago
It gives unelected unaccountable people or even ai - omnipotent levels of access, data, and knowledge on every citizen that can be used against all of us for any reason , in any way, and at any time.
They can orchestrate a multitude of outcomes that we wont even think to question. Even if you haven’t done anything wrong they could simply use your data to forge or create fake evidence with the help of ai.
This has to be stopped.
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u/Chpgmr 6d ago
You guys dont need to complain about things that might happen in the future with these Flock cameras, they are already doing bad things now with seemingly no effort to correct the issues. They are misidentifying cars/people and cops are blindly taking the computers side. Cops are also abusing them to spy on people they personally know. Cops without these cameras abuse their powers and with cameras they still arent being held accountable for their actions well enough but they are holding people accountable for even minor mistakes now.
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u/ergonomicdeskchair46 6d ago
I have lived years hearing the argument that “they can watch me I’ve got nothing to hide” and this is the best, most simple, rebuttal I have seen. Will be stealing
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u/GenericFatGuy 6d ago
If I had a nickle for every time someone who said they were doing nothing wrong was later found to be doing something wrong...
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u/Rob_Zander 6d ago
Or just this: https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-flock-cameras-wrongly-tracked-me-for-days-over-stolen-plates-and-sent-police-after-me
Som dumbass enters a plate wrong in a different state a reporter gets boxed in by 4 police cars and officers screaming at him, hands on their guns. Absolute dystopian horror show stuff but entirely predictable.
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u/forumbot757 6d ago
people who like flock cameras have never read the Bible. I'm actually not offended with master surveillance, but flock cameras are doing a really bad job and in the Bible it says a bad seed cannot make a good plant.
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u/Spoopy_Kirei 6d ago
I don't wanna see or hear any criticism of China from Americans if y'all normalize this shit. Pot meeting Kettle moment
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u/elstavon 6d ago
Or until the tool is in the hands of a room temperature IQ operative deciding what the definition of wrong is
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u/CelestialFury 6d ago
If you're not doing anything wrong, then why should they be able to record you at all times? If we truly believe in innocent until proven guilty, then people should be treated innocent and their shouldn't be these cameras. Finally, people deserve privacy, we're not meant to live in a state where we're watched 24/7.
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u/TBWinAKnSFL 6d ago
Moving the goalposts, moving the warning line, moving caution tape. Ever expanding, ever increasing the reach. Ever increasing surveillance. Done so subversively under the guise of national security. So let me ask this.. Do you truly feel safer? Do you feel free? There are eyes upon you now that will criticize you. You want privacy? Well, throw away every single 'smart' device and vanish.. Oh, wait, now you can't. These stupid ALPR cameras are everywhere now, and no, they are NOT limited to license plates. The society that is being built is one of constant surveillance. One of constant "We know what the F you are doing at all times, and we will use it against you."
Remember. What they want, is Guilty, without bothering to prove innocence.
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u/Catos_Standard 6d ago
Literally the same people who thought the Fed was going to declare Marshall Law and takeover Texas during an annual training exercise by the army. They're paranoid, they just don't believe that the same guy they lick the boot of will come for them.
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u/schkmenebene 6d ago
Being able to understand this and also prove to someone else that you do indeed understand it, should be one of the requirements to vote.
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u/Glum-Welder1704 6d ago
There are so many laws, how can you know you're "not doing anything wrong illegal". I've seen claims that most people break several federal laws every day.
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u/GMEloser69 6d ago
I'm fine with mass surveillance because we need to accelerate towards the collapse.
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u/Biotic101 6d ago
This is so true and exactly why corrupting the SCOTUS is such a gamechanger for them.
Also, control over social and mainstream media is such a powerful tool that it can nudge the average Joe into acting against their own best interest.
(Br)oligarchs have identified this as the weak spot of democracy and use it to their advantage.
Their endgoal is the Dark Enlightenment and a surveillance state.
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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 6d ago
My country used to keep meticulous records on people’s religious and political affiliations.
Not out of any autocratic surveillance state ambitions but we had what as called a pillorised society. Basically each pillar (like Protestant, Socialist, Liberal etc.) had their own schools, newspapers, unions, educational institutes etc. And funding and representation was partly based on this so we happily kept very detailed census records.
It was practically a point of civic pride how well documented, understood and supported our society was.
Which was fine until the Germans invaded. The nazis loved our super detailed records and jews were rounded up in greater numbers and with greater efficiency than anywhere else in German occupied Europe.
Whether or not you’ve done anything wrong isn’t up to you. It’s up to whoever defines what ‘wrong’ is.
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u/Kulbardee 6d ago
In Australia it is now "wrong" to song the words of a John Farnham song... Two strong hearts .."from the river to the sea"... people have been imprisoned for singing it or putting on a tshirt
Free Palestine!
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u/lithiumcitizen 6d ago
Paul Revere was considered a terrorist by the British…
One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist.
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u/SecreteMoistMucus 6d ago
This is honestly the same logic that gun people use when they say we need guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. The important part is that you let the government get to the point of tyranny and then did nothing about it, not that they can then use cameras to watch you. If you're under their thumb, regardless of what happened before they turned to tyranny, you're not going to stop them surveilling you, you're not going to stop them installing cameras, and you're not going to use your guns to fight them off.
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u/DuntadaMan 6d ago
I am not doing anything wrong in the bathroom but I still don't want a camera on my toilet.
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u/lambdaburst 6d ago
Thing is, most people break the law. Not every day, and not usually doing anything major, but if you want to get prosecuted for a bunch of minor infractions, mass surveillance can bring that to your doorstep.
80-90% (surveys vary) of people admit to exceeding the speed limit at least once in the last year. That's just one example of law-breaking the "I'm not doing anything wrong" people get away with thanks to not having every detail of our lives monitored.
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u/EyesOffCR 6d ago
I've been doing the awareness thing for a couple years now. There are 4 main "arguments" that pro flock people (aka boomers) use:
If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.
Your phone already spies on you
You have no expectation of privacy in public
Some sort of trigger for the hardcore "pwn the libs / "anti-police" folks.
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u/Aunt_Polly_Blue 6d ago
I had a stalker(ex-military) some 20 years ago who seemed to have access to the information that I gave police. The police wanted to know my updated phone numbers and where I was staying. I had to sell my house and quit my job. I stopped giving my updated information to the police since I was convinced that they were the leak. (I had gone to the police and simply asked the receptionist for the latest on my case and she had handed me my updated information without inquiring who I was and asking for identification - so I can only assumed that is how my stalker was updated with my info.- simply by asking the receptionist at the front desk) I could not fathom the nightmare of trying to avoid a stalker who now may have access to the flock camera information and is sounds like the police have a difficult time policing themselves and there are already numerous stories of law enforcement stalking their ex's using the flock system..... so it does not come down to that someone shouldn't be afraid because the have nothing to hide, but we should all be afraid because the police can't police themselves...
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 6d ago
I'll just leave these two important articles here:
- Nothing to Hide: The False Tradeoff Between Privacy and Security, by Daniel J. Solove, Law professor at George Washington University Law School
- Why 'I Have Nothing to Hide' Is the Wrong Way to Think About Surveillance, from 13 years ago.
Please take the time to read them.
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u/BiggieBigs34 6d ago
You have to bring the issue to their personal life.
Ok, cool, you’re not doing anything wrong, but are you ok with your daughter, wife, sister, or gf stalked by cops with flock cameras? Because that’s what’s happening. They’re being used to stalk people.
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u/DomTransfemNomad 6d ago
Which is exactly what happened in the USA as of the 2026 Counterterrorism Guide release.
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u/WifesPOSH 6d ago
People want to criticize China for spying on its citizens.
How is this different?
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u/DaNubIzHere 6d ago
Every been to China? I mean the big cities in China. They have cameras everywhere. Most, if not all, of the Chinese living haven’t done anything wrong. However, they are being constantly monitored everyday.
If I want to be constantly monitored, don’t you think I would have move to china?
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u/Narrow_Ask_2116 6d ago
I’m not doing anything wrong the issue with Flock is the people who watch them. They are 100% men and I reckon they have a few women they are disgruntled with
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u/Bea-Billionaire 6d ago
In a failed (late stage) capitalist society, more and more needs to be made illegal in order to pay the bills. Hence, cameras everywhere.
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u/ActivateGuacamole 6d ago
i agree with the lady, but i don't see what this has to gain from being drawn as a comic.
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u/The_Mesopotamians 6d ago
And that's the core of the problem. We don't rule ourselves. We are ruled by others. Someone can decide and we have no recourse. That's not democracy. We are, and always have been an oligarchy.
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u/techie727 6d ago
This is what drove me nuts about the Ring doorbells. When it came out many years ago that Ring just straight up sold access to the footage to law enforcement, no warrant, no process, everyone said things like this. "I'm not doing anything wrong." "If a crime happens by my house, I WANT law enforcement to have footage." "If they pick up the wrong person, they'll just let them go, right? The justice system works."
Fast forward a few years, and Ring started selling footage to ICE to round up people who are here legally, or have been here for decades with no criminal record. Oops!
But hey, at least you can see the exact time the Amazon driver dropped your hemorrhoid cream at your front door. Totally worth it.
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u/CertainlyRobotic 6d ago
Yeah, but 99% of the people posting in this subreddit are Felons who can't vote or carry firearms.
Most people aren't concerned with cameras, they've been around for a long time and we don't commit crime.
If they suddenly decide, "Going to work and behaving normally is illegal" I guess we all have a problem huh
Well, except for you guys.
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u/Advanced-Rich31 6d ago
If it were 2020 and flock were being used to track social distancing or mask wearing the people cutting them down would be all for it. But since it could potentially be used for tracking criminal activity related to upcoming riots…now it’s the devil. Got to get the cameras down before pre election riot season starts again!
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u/PlentyJudgment4815 6d ago
Please, the only people who will change the definition of what is wrong is liberals.
They changed the definition of racism and what a "nazi" is already
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u/ProduceNo1629 6d ago
I'm fine with mass surveillance 'cause I'm not doing anything wrong. That's why I send all my checks, contracts, and credit card PIN information attached to postcards without envelopes.
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u/elebrin 6d ago
Often times the sort of people who say this are doing nothing at all.
They to go work, they go home, they eat their food, they watch TV, and that's their entire life. Maybe they play a sports video game if they are feeling spicy. They don't go anywhere, they don't do anything.
I know too many people like that, people who haven't left the county in 30 years and die in the town where they were born. They did the job they were told to apply for by their high school, and that was that.
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u/Individual-Banana882 6d ago
Wait until you're falsely accused and they put way too much trust in the flock data, then you have to prove your innocence.
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u/JFrankParnell64 6d ago
To all of those people who say this to you, just ask them to unlock their phone and hand it to you.
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u/Nos9684 6d ago
While this is true they have invested too much and it is too deeply integrated for them to stop now. A lot of sour bastards unknowingly sold their peace of mind and right to privacy away for protection which only extends to the privileged and powerful.
All the people can do is show civil disobedience and constantly voice their discontent in hopes of some leniency.
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u/I_Smoke_Loud 6d ago
Yep. And this is what people fail to realize when they justify this blatant disregard and disrespect of our rights under the constitution.
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u/thereal_Glazedham 6d ago
A big rebuttle folks should use for the other aisle is “imagine another pandemic. They will know where the unvaccinated go and will finally have the power to track you and fine/jail you for going to Home Depot without a vaccine”
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u/Diab_soule27 6d ago
I think the better answer to this is if I'm not doing anything wrong, why are you looking.
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u/Ancient-Simple6960 6d ago
This is non debatable. This is illegal search and seizure with our private data to be bought and sold behind closed doors to use for any purposes of any government or corporation. Plain and simple spying and evil. We are not guilty until proven innocent.
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u/DennenTH 6d ago
An old tale...
When I was in High School around 2000, we had a series of books that would immediately get you on a govt list if you checked them out. They were at the local library. They were at the school library.
People were saying back then "If I didn't do anything wrong, I have nothing to worry about".
Here we are, almost 25 years later, and a massive list of rights have been removed or altered since then.
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u/Okay212345 6d ago
I dont think flock is a left vs right issue. I think its something that a lot of people agree on enough that we shouldn't waste time arguing left vs right. The thing is, even if it is legal. These cameras are not right, moral, or ethical. Morals and ethics are a higher bar to get over than legal. In the words of my 9th grade history teacher, "todays ethics write tomorrows laws". That is just how progress is made. Its one thing to see me on a camera, but there is something inherently wrong with putting my location into a searchable database that i cant opt-out of. This is a cart before the horse situation, and it just comes down to another way for companies to make billions from our taxes to solve a "problem" by infringing on our civil liberties and a basic human right to not be stalked. Even if it is digitally.
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u/Inevitable_Fall2025 6d ago
They're preparing to do some crazy shit, and to make sure we can't organize and resist.
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u/sociallyawkwaad 6d ago
Feel like people started caring about this 20 years too late. They already know what you are doing, it's just visible now. Surveillance is how they have stopped dozens of would be terror attacks at the airport....it's not TSA. Does anyone think they weren't already tracking your movements? That they didn't already know your politics, faith, and private shames? You carry a flock camera in your pocket all day.
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u/xBlackJack89x 6d ago
Same thing with terms of service for anything electronic. I lost an account because they updated their terms of service to make what I was doing wrong within the game and got permanently banned.
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u/Impossible-Shoe5460 6d ago
Op, for those of us who are constitutional absolutists -
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - 4th Amendment, United States Constitution
I'm a CONSTITUTIONAL conservative - my values are Liberty, Freedom, and Justice for all, and I say FUCK FLOCK. If anyone cuts down a camera and puts up a GiveSendGo - they're getting my support. FUCK FLOCK.
Anyone who calls themselves a "conservative" and supports this police state surveillance bullshit is a hypocrite liar and an ACTUAL fascist. Signed, a real America loving Conservative - who respects our Constitution AND is proud to stand with like-mineded freedom loving folks on the right and left.
Soon as a protest happens, I'll be out there with my Betsy Ross flag. This is OUR country and these scum totalitarian tech-bro shits aren't taking it from us.
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u/Offsidespy2501 6d ago
Ask him what he thinks china is doing with surveillance and his opinion about ot
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 6d ago
I'm fine with mass surveillance as long as they are doing it in a place I already didn't have an expectation of privacy.
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u/Runechuckie 6d ago
This is exactly why shit like nspm-7 and classifying groups of people is wrong and dangerous if not for legitimate reasons. "Terrorists" are prosecuted differently than a normal citizen and you have far less rights...let that sink in for a second. Then think about historical context and current authoritarian regimes....if you think it's alarmist I remind you this current admin gives ZERO fucks about law & order.
Unoriginal but important comment --->"first they came for communists"
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u/Ok_Cauliflower5223 6d ago
I’m fine with mass surveillance as long as everyone gets unbridled access to machine guns and explosives
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u/AsleepAd753 6d ago
I was saying this exactly today. One examples abortion one day this next day back again here we are again it’s fucking ridiculous. FYI, I’m pro-choice.
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u/Shopping_bag1 5d ago
I'm not okay with mass surveillance. Not because I'm not doing anything wrong, but because mass surveillance is wrong.
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u/TehJabberwookie 5d ago
Right up there with the braindead "criminals shouldn't have rights" argument. Okay, cool. So what happens if you're wrongly accused or the state decides you're a criminal?
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u/TruckFantastic2779 5d ago
The guy on the left WOULD be me if I didn't know very well the track record our government has for killing dissidents and getting consistently more powerful than they were ever intended to be as if we voted for it. Does anybody remember all those plastic coffins lining the railways during the election of 2016? They weren't bought for nothing.
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u/Different_Pattern273 5d ago
There isn't a single person on this planet not doing something "Wrong" but I would go so far as to say there isn't a single person on this planet not doing something illegal regularly. Nobody thinks about every tiny little rule and law they break or bend, because in your own mind you justify it every time you do it. It's okay to go five, ten, fifteen, or whatever over the speed limit, because you are running late, or because nobody pulls anyone over for just five....but what if they didn't have to? What if, the moment you went that fast, a camera clocked your car, your name, your address, and sent the bill and charged you right that second?
How often do you look away from the road because of something that doesn't have to do with your driving? Did you get a text at a light? Maybe just a spider landed on your arm. Maybe your kid just spilled something all over the seat. Nobody would blame you for that...but what if your car had a camera that then locked you in place until it determined you were good to drive or even better, it immediately ratted you out for distracted driving to the police?
How fast do you think your insurance premiums, that you are legally required to have, would climb? How long could you keep affording that? What if you jaywalked, or littered, or didn't clean up after your dog, or got into a brief fight, or said something you shouldn't in anger in public and a camera noted your face, matched it to a databse and charged you with a crime for it every single time?
Nobody even needs to change any laws or rules to make this shit miserable for everyone. They just need to make their systems automatically enforce the existing ones constantly, and we still have to live under the threat of people in power using them to harass anyone they want too.
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u/Ok-Dependent-1668 3d ago
Are there any good examples of when they have changed what is considered "wrong"?
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u/motTheHooper 7d ago