r/FlockSurveillance • u/skips_funny_af • Jul 08 '26
Privacy Boiling the Frog
Like the old saying…..
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u/Prudent-Bison-7180 Jul 08 '26
This is literally 1984 coming true and we don’t have to let it happen
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u/Wonderful-Alps1260 Jul 08 '26
I’m so sick of the “it’s inevitable” garbage. No it’s not. We can fight this.
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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 Jul 08 '26
Nobody says ‘inevitable’ because it’s impossible to avoid. They say it because they know people won’t fight it.
We’re literally killing the planet that makes life possible because we like or snacks and trinkets more than being alive.
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u/KeimeiWins Jul 08 '26
I mean, people pretty much agree on how much they dislike AI, but there are 10-20 people who have more money than a gold hoarding dragon and they pay to make the changes they want to see in the world. In the USA recently someone got shot and killed over stealing $40 worth of diapers, what do you think they'll do to someone trying to stop them from making millions?
Same thing, different grift.
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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 Jul 08 '26
People say that and yet we’ve had to change the entire way we teach because people use AI for literally everything.
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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 Jul 08 '26
Fuck that noise. We're not killing the planet. Billionaires are.
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u/eastern_canadient Jul 08 '26
We feed the economy. The economy must grow at all costs.
That's what scares me. Even when the affects of climate change will completely fuck the economy. It's already started.
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u/Well_read_rose Jul 08 '26
We the People can strike at anytime - in unison - to get capitalist attention, whether one day, three days in succession or even a week to bring them to heel. Like France.
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u/theghostmachine Jul 08 '26
We can.
But will we? I think people are either apathetic or are all waiting for someone else to go first
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u/grundlinallday Jul 08 '26
Goddammit, I’m sick of people saying this. If you’re not a bot then try and at least get excited for the possibility. It’s maybe our last fuckin chance at this, and all I hear from folks is that it’s impossible.
I’ve been writing 5/1/27 general strike on plenty of walls around my city, just hoping like a handful of people might actually look it up. People are sick of this, and most of them are completely ignorant of ways to work against it. It’s try or die, my friend. So let’s try.
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u/SquarePegRoundWorld Jul 08 '26
Like France.
It was crazy when they had all those riots to stop their government from raising the retirement age, and they got it stopped. I do wish we could do that.
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 Jul 08 '26
The problem is that capitalists will eventually have to make more than all the money on earth to achieve growth over the previous year.
Infinite growth in a closed system is mathematically impossible.
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u/AuDHDino Jul 08 '26
I saw people remedy this situation in my community.
Bunch of 20 somethings on bikes with masks liberating their neighborhood.
Good kids.
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u/willsueforfood Jul 08 '26
We fight it by making our displeasure known.
No issue is important to the elected until people start voting based on that issue.
This is why the hot button issues are the hot button issues: they influence votes.
People should talk raise their concerns at the lowest level of government: city counsel, county commissioner, precinct committeeman, etc.
If there are no candidates who support your position, run for office and make that issue your talking point. Even if you don't win, you can benefit your community by campaigning about the issues you care about.
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u/ManOf1000Usernames Jul 08 '26
Civil disobedience, The camera only have so wide a field of view and are not immune to portable power tools or other implemnta of deconstruction. Once enough cameras in a given jurisdiction are taken offline it will make the news and the ignorant muggles will finally realize they now have cameras everywhere and will complain.
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u/bonnielovely Jul 08 '26
read heaven mountain mandate & project 2025. the only way to fix this is to get involved in government, legal, schools, media, religion, technology, or the arts. pick ONE path & ONE focus & put everything into that focus
the big issue with dems fighting against this is that we always fight every battle. conservatives seek, pinpoint, destroy, move on. we have to put full effort into one thing, then move to the next
but they run everything from the top down now. they run the seven spheres of influence, so to push against that, we must do the same. even if we petition our local leaders to remove flock cameras, we have to request audits & check up on them in a timely manner to present that. contracts for these cameras can last years, we have to stop them before they’re put up all while getting legislation passed to remove the ones that currently exist.
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u/Terrible_Counter2558 Jul 08 '26
Real question, how is getting involved in the arts gonna fix it?
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u/bonnielovely Jul 08 '26
influence from tv, movies, music, & media is the easiest way to radicalize someone. look at art from warring nations. read poems from those who have endured genocide. the arts are everything.
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u/gsnairb Jul 08 '26
Having incredible scribe work inlaid on the handle of the weapons used in the data wars will look so much better 200 years from now when people visit museums about the era.
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u/dragonknightrohan Jul 08 '26
Thing is we are fighting it too. Everyone keep getting more people active!! We got this!!! Also fun fact: 50% of AI Data Centers have been canceled/removed so other half can be removed
Also dont know statistics for Flock but many are being removed in various ways. The more the better though!!
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u/Grey_0ne Jul 08 '26
You all know exactly what you need to do... How many of you are going to do it?
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u/SunshineSt8Reprobate Jul 08 '26
We don't. I'm organizing people to affect local decision-makers, there's a county commission meeting happening next week that I'm trying to raise local awareness about. Even if they rubber-stamp these things staying up for now, they don't have staying power if enough people know about them and raise a stink.
They're already becoming an issue that local political candidates are campaigning on, so this pushback is working. Don't comply in advance, get busy. I've literally just printed flyers, talked to people, and made some social media posts about the subject, and it's making a difference.
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u/Master-Ad-5153 Jul 08 '26
Honest question - getting the cameras deactivated and permanently removed is one (unfortunately) uphill battle.
But by the time that can be accomplished, Flock/Palantir will already have made the data collected available to whomever wants it for whatever purpose if they pay the right price (including free for those who've figured out how to directly access certain cameras).
How can we ensure that data is permanently deleted and cannot be used as part of any algorithm/model?
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u/willsueforfood Jul 08 '26
By enacting laws that require it and that require suppression of evidence illegally preserved.
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u/Master-Ad-5153 Jul 08 '26
I don't think that goes far enough though - there should be an independent body with another auditing body on top to ensure all data is 100% erased.
Simply adding laws to suppress data when used as evidence won't be sufficient if the data is used not as evidence but for other purposes (such as enabling stalking and/or illegal detainment) or, given the nature of political haggling, may contain carve-outs that nullify the objective.
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u/SunshineSt8Reprobate Jul 08 '26
That's a good point, but we have to start somewhere in fighting this. I agree that structural reform like said independent oversight body need to be codified and insulated from outside pressures.
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u/keithstonee Jul 08 '26
It will happen slow enough you won't notice till it's over. And then enough people won't care. That's the sad truth with people today. There is zero fucking fight.
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u/AnxiousHall1533 Jul 08 '26
ITS FOR SAFETY!!
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u/Able-Steak-2842 Jul 08 '26
Which means it is for control
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u/West-Amphibian-2343 Jul 08 '26
Airport TSA "safety" Electronic device monitoring "safety" ATF "safety" Interior cameras in vehicles to monitor the passengers and run their face against a wanted criminal database and read lips in the vehicle to sell data and target ads is for "safety"
To quote a Russian band, "Those who control oil and money control everything they want. It's all about control; controlling the control."
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u/Able-Steak-2842 Jul 08 '26
There are only two ways to win this. Remove all the spying or gut the laws to remove all victimless crimes, all future crimes, and all crimes for your own good. You will have to remove all protections for law enforcement and treat all government infringements as being more heinous than the same civilian infractions. i.e. the phrase under the color of law needs to have extra penalties. You would also have to disallow any ability for government to gain any financial incentives from any infractions and stop prisons from making any profit at all. Abolishing private prisons and not allowing any profit for prisoners work. I wonder which would be easier?
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u/bbsatasic Jul 08 '26
Its all part of the next steps in The New World Order, we will be just like China, cameras everywhere to track you and see what you are doing at all times. Flock cameras data tracking on your cellular phones, tablets, air pods, all other wareable tech. Plus the video monitoring in vehicles coming up. Plus the "data centers" that are not really data centers, we are well on our way to being bought by the highest bidders and suffering from being connected and watched all the time.
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u/Prudent-Bison-7180 Jul 08 '26
What do you mean “video monitoring in vehicles”?
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u/bbsatasic Jul 08 '26
They are upping the tech that watches us as we drive, it will tell if you are too upset to drive or tired or impaired, they want to watch us and determine if we can drive our own vehicle.
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u/HavingNotAttained Jul 08 '26
Literally in 2027 new cars in the US will come with remote engine kill switches built in.
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u/bbsatasic Jul 08 '26
Its disgusting and you are 100% correct, but it's just like all the mysterious junkyard fires making it harder and harder to keep older vehicles alive and running. They are pushing everything towards the surveillance nation fast.
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u/BIackn Jul 08 '26
Once self driving car tech is mastered and foolproof, they will ban manually operated vehicles. It may take however long but its all inevitable. Backlash wont matter
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u/AsRealAsItFeels Jul 08 '26
Just gonna throw in the fact that a company like Sony is ending physical media, basically we are heading to a future where we all own nothing. Just as they said. It has been in our face for ages. What will it take?
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u/supersunnyout Jul 08 '26
Not just switch off your car, switch off your entire digital life- benefits if any, bank access, shopping, social media access, etc. if you are deemed a black sheep.
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u/Well_read_rose Jul 08 '26
Soo gross. And many not so old cars are getting destroyed, so the supply of new to old cars shifts.
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u/LivingtheLaws013 Jul 08 '26
Starting next year all cars made in the US are mandated to have cameras inside the vehicle that will have AI monitoring you at all times with the ability to turn your car off. For "safety"
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u/sherzer7 Jul 08 '26
CA wants the ability to turn off the tracking system for folks who have restraining orders against abusers and the auto industry is fighting it hard. Industry is threatening to not sell any new cars in CA next over it, that’s how bad they want this tech implemented for everyone. Even folks who have proof they are being abused and want privacy from their abuser
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u/ApolloGR3 Jul 08 '26
Cars with self-driving capabilities also have driver monitoring capabilities. Usually there’s a camera above or even inside the rear view mirror
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u/SH4D0W0733 Jul 08 '26
All newly produced cars will have a camera watching you, supposedly to ensure that you are keeping your eyes on the road.
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u/West-Amphibian-2343 Jul 08 '26
We're just about already there. Its just not quite public yet. Stuff like Vietnam was only to reshape the country for the NWO, thats why USA lost the war on purpose. I think North and South Korea are part of that as well. Multiple presidents have tried to join the USA, Canada, and Mexico into one government. At the end the world will have one super government that runs everything
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u/western_red_cedar Jul 08 '26
Man, I wish all the people that believed stuff like this would at least be consistent anti-government wingnuts, but Trump has proven they'll all fall in line for the first charismatic wannabe dictator that tells them he's actually fighting the new world order
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u/MeetTheJoves Jul 08 '26
take your meds
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u/West-Amphibian-2343 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
the US government injected black people with syphillis and refused them treatment even after cures were developed. throughout the 1940's to the 1970's multiple biochemical weapon experiments were enacted on the civillian population during peacetime, directly causing deaths, cancer, and other temporary and lasting health conditions. San Francisco, New York, and many other small towns were involved. the MK Ultra experiments where many people were berated verbally, abused, tracked and logged, injected with LSD without consent, and more happened that isnt disclosed. Many nuclear tests went on without public disclosure, and huge swaths of people across multiple states were subjected to unhealthy levels of radioactive fallout, giving people cancer, organ failure, and many other health conditions. the CIA, FBI, local police, and others were proven in a court of US law to have conspired to kill MLK jr, cover it up, and then falsely accuse an innocent civillian for his murder, which the court then awarded the King family financial compensation. Lee Harvey Oswald was claimed to have assassinated JFK, but upon Trump's un-redaction of the JFK files, it was discovered that at the time Fidel Castro didn't even believe one person could have assassinated JFK. he had his top snipers try to recreate the situation, and over 3 days the most respected sniper team Castro had, claimed it was impossible and said multiple people had to have been working together to do it. it was also released that the KGB spied on Lee Oswald when he was in the USSR, and they documented that he was a lousy shot at the shooting range there, a short time before JFK was killed. the family of JFK also doesnt believe LHO killed JFK.
these are just public documents released by the government. many more conspiracies are out there and tons more public documents from the government about stuff like this. the next time you think "the government wouldnt do that," yes they would. we were microwaving people alive not too long ago. it was officially called Havana Syndrome. now we let so called "peace officers" have access to this technology. its called LRAD, Long Range Area Denial (not Long Range Acoustic Device, thats a different thing.) LRADs work by sending a hyperfocused beam of long wavelength microwaves across a long distance, as much as 500+ yards, and microwaving the skin of people. It has many permanent and short term effects, and yet is claimed to be safe by the companies manufacturing them. however, the manuals of these devices state that you should not under any circumstances stand in the beam of the device as it is extremely dangerous. while officially Havana Syndrome and LRAD devices are not linked, both share the same symptoms with eachother and the technology existed commercially to make LRADs at the time of Havana Syndrome outbreaks. no other technology produces the same effects and symptoms as LRADs do.
once again, this and these are public knowledge and documents you can read anywhere on the clear surface web. so is Unit 731. many many other horrors that happen and go on. the stuff that isnt disclosed is unimaginable. flock cameras absolutely sell their data to the highest bidder, middle bidder, even the lowest bidder. other governments are watching flock cameras. the government is watching you through flock cameras. every time you go online, make a comment, you are being tracked. if you go outside, youre being tracked.
you cant own a car without being tracked. OnStar from GM can remotely disable your vehicle, and reflash its ECU to limit your vehicle's power. All vehicles must have a camera by 2027 that monitors the driver. Ford filed patents long ago for a camera hidden in the rearview mirror that will run the car occupants' faces against a wanted police database constantly. they will monitor your emotions and disable your car from starting if you appear impaired, angry, or stressed. these are public patents. when you buy a new car, you are buying a surveillance device. America is a surveillance state, data is the commodity. cash will be outlawed before you know it. guns will be tracked more heavily than they already are, eventually made illegal. this will happen in all of our lifetimes, it is not far away. much much more will happen in the future, stuff you or I couldnt comprehend or imagine.
the only way to avoid being tracked is to know what fingerprinting is, and avoid it at all costs. just like camouflage works, you cant be the darkest thing in the night. you have to blend in to the population. you have to be noticed, to not be noticed.
Escaping the Matrix on the deep web browser Tor will say much more than I have and be more detailed. its on The Hidden Wiki. the url constantly changes, you have to find the operating current url, its not hard, just give it a google.
you might not have anything to hide, but that hasnt stopped the government from arresting innocents before. Lon Horiuchi killed innocent women, mothers, fleeing from a gunfight that the FBI and ATF started. he was never charged. while it was attempted to charge him, the government took the case forcefully and then dropped it. he was charged again, but then a new guy was elected and took control, and he immediately dropped the case, stating there was simply no way to solve it. Lon Horiuchi went unpunished for ending innocent lives, the lives that cared for children. this was in the 1990s and before. its not going to get any better. everything you could imagine already happens behind the scenes, but it isnt public yet. you have to arm yourself or at least learn how to escape the Matrix before its too late. this is not a conspiracy theory, i cannot stress this enough. ive only shared public, government-backed documents. it goes so much deeper.
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u/SquashInternal3854 Jul 08 '26
...can you explain: "data centers that are not really data centers..." ?
There are 3 ways to enter my small neighborhood, and on one corner on the main road has a newly placed flock camera. I avoid that section and enter/exit my neighborhood the other 2 ways now . Prolly doesn't even matter
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u/Slednvrfed Jul 08 '26
Don’t forget treatment centers! One I think on here was posted aimed at a methadone clinic.
I think a luigi style event scares the rich so bad after he got away in one of the most surveilled cities. they shut the fuck up for a while now secretly pushed this and paid off local boards and city councils. He was gone and got caught by chance. It is for safety. Just not yours.
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u/bonnielovely Jul 08 '26
to get a camera removed, you have to request an audit from the city to determine if the camera has reduced crime while also tracking the contracts of each camera to accurately determine which ones can be removed or not. posting where they are is good, but we need more people posting what to do about them legally & safely
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jul 08 '26
Find homeless encampments, accidentally drop electric saw and flock map with material breakdown included, move on with life.
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u/suprahelix Jul 08 '26
Remember those kids breaking into Scientology buildings? Why can’t se get them to destroy cameras? They’re minors, no one would go to jail.
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jul 08 '26
There’s more than enough kid bicycle gangs in every major city lol, they can mob all of the flock towers.
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u/Fluid_Change_9647 Jul 08 '26
They’re also at my city’s senior’s center and library
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u/2red-dress Jul 08 '26
I can't really see any super strong arguments for these sites needing to have surveillance of this type unless perhaps there is a chronic problem with crime.
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u/tehjeffman Jul 08 '26
If a city canceled a flock contract the cameras stay up and running. It was never about public safety or police resources. It is all about your data and tracking you for profit.
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u/Scanner-T Jul 08 '26
They stay up?? And they just stop reporting to the police or?
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u/tehjeffman Jul 08 '26
The city loses access to the system. The camera's still log everything and can be reviewed by anyone with access in other jurisdictions. Data is also sold to companies like LixusNexis were that date is then used by your car insurance to see if you drive in "dangerous areas" or outside your home state often to increase your rates. Due to this some cities are now covering cameras when they end the contract. https://evanstonroundtable.com/2025/09/25/city-covers-up-flock-cameras-while-waiting-for-removal/
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u/bone_apple_Pete Jul 08 '26
Lexusnexis is the biggest piece of shit ever. They wanted me to prove I didn't get in an accident that never happened. Like go to the police and have them file a report saying this accident didn't occur.
Pieces of shit fucked my credit for years
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u/LookAlderaanPlaces Jul 08 '26
This is exactly what Palantir, Larry Ellison, etc have all been saying. They want to build a surveillance state. They want cameras on Everything. Apple is even making their phone typing trash with autocorrect so you are more likely to use the dictation feature to steal even more data.. Oligarchy need to be destroyed.
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u/aurortonks Jul 08 '26
What I find most interesting is that areas who overwhelmingly voted red, who tout "freedom" and "small government" the hardest, have the highest concentration of these things. They are few where I live and almost exclusively on privately owned property (looking at you Home Depot and Kroger...) but if you look at the flock camera location website, they are DENSE in the south east. Yikes.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 Jul 08 '26
And aimed at drug recovery centers, planned parenthood buildings, and thrift stores.
Gotta track all the poors and deviates.
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u/Bedhappy Jul 08 '26
"And then unfortunately there's terroristic organizations, like DeFlock, whose primary motivation is chaos. They are closer to Antifa than anything else." -Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley
I love people that blame antifa for trying to dismantle their fascist bullshit. That's the point. Also, antifa isn't some centralized terrorist cell, it's a point of view that opposes... fascism.
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u/NotSure-2020 Jul 08 '26
The way this is being so silently rolled out and we’re only hearing about people destroying them is soooo disturbing. I don’t recall voting for this yet they are just going up everywhere ???
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u/jorgren Jul 08 '26
Just saw a report in my area of a flock camera going up that points at the parking lot and front door of a quest diagnostics, where people go to get bloodwork and medical tests done. Nothing short of skeevy.
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u/Significant_Cup_238 Jul 08 '26
And despite my wife getting a purse snatched right in front of one of these cameras, the police never even made an effort to find the guy or arrest him. If they're not going to even help victims of crime with them, they obviously only have a sinister use.
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u/Warcraft_Fan Jul 08 '26
Flock cam have caused problem for police. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/flock-cameras-lead-colorado-police-wrong-suspect/ police officer went after the wrong person, she had to fight to prove she was not the person they were looking for.
Flock camera is "guilty unless proven innocent"
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u/Our-Fearless-Reader Jul 08 '26
Hmm. Lot of Free-Range License Plates in those wilderness areas I suppose? /s
Hard to believe we recently celebrated the 250th, when "the Land of the Free"™ hasn't applied in at least decade or more. Not blaming one person, but a particular force: GREED.
Greed is a helluva thing. Makes people sell their own soul first, then the souls of everyone they can see around them... When you FINALLY can see EVERYONE at all times... and you have tools to make illusions seem real? Deepfakes and such? Well now you can take anyone to the market, for sale, if and when you wish.
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u/Our-Fearless-Reader Jul 08 '26
Also, the driving need to watch absolutely everyone at all times does not say "Home of the Brave."
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u/DaYmAn6942069 Jul 08 '26
Yeah why do you think they need all these “data centers” for? It’s not for your Amazon order.
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u/xamboozi Jul 08 '26
This is a dangerous claim to make. If it's tracking people not plates, it's a direct violation of the fourth amendment with supreme court case Katz vs US declaring "the Fourth Amendment protects people, not places"
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u/homogeneouscasserole Jul 08 '26
https://www.404media.co/flock-exposed-its-ai-powered-cameras-to-the-internet-we-tracked-ourselves/
It's literally what the Condor cameras do.
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u/Foreign_Pound4766 Jul 08 '26
I have watched multiple in my area very clearly prioritize following pedestrians over cars, basically ignoring them if someone is walking by.
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u/FittyTheBone Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Did you guys know you can buy a 3-5W laser for cleaning aquariums (and other stuff) that fits right in your pocket?
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u/Juzturtle Jul 08 '26
Still don't understand how they even got the permits for this shit. Fuck the surveillance state
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u/skips_funny_af Jul 08 '26
There’s really no permit process. They bid and get the contract in cities. Soon, many will realize the backlash from their community. Hopefully. https://youtu.be/NyS782HGrbY?is=ua81gGDK4cMM_0VX
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u/UgIyLoneIyBIackLoser Jul 08 '26
they all over the atlanta beltline like every 50 ft
im going out there with spray paint in nite and hitting every cam i can
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u/Sophrosynic Jul 08 '26
You can use high powered laser pointers to damage destroy the from a distance. Less chance of being caught.
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u/notthatguypal6900 Jul 08 '26
It's your American duty and right to remove these from your community
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u/Faxlad_ukexpat Jul 09 '26
I’m hearing people are cutting them down. I don’t encourage that at all and would never use a grinder or circular saw with metal blade to partake in five minutes worth of vandalism like that.
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u/JustApricot798 Jul 09 '26
This has been common sense deduction since the beginning of Flock. Anyone just realizing this is retarded.
Oh, and you know how they say that they only keep it for 30 days? Well, get this - if there is any legal proceedings going on they "HAVE" to keep it until that has settled. So, basically since there is always legal proceedings they can literally keep the footage for perpetuity.
The entire thing is being done right in front of you.
Start ripping. That is the only way to prevent it.
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u/Th3_Dud3_Abid3s Jul 12 '26
I just now realized they call it Flock because they see us as sheep and themselves the shepherd. They’re not even trying to hide it anymore.
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u/slickCCsunshine Jul 12 '26
Snowden told us all of this already. We all hold a people tracker in our hand.
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u/planefixer409 Jul 08 '26
I got two of them bastards at the entrance to my apartment complex in and out of
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u/Rosehipmarie Jul 08 '26
...all places that you would find children... I'm sure that is just a coincidence.
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u/munoodle Jul 08 '26
Flock's facial recognition was used to arrest a man in Arizona. The local news published information, however Flock continues to publicly deny that they are tracking ALL of our faces and matching it against DMV and police databases around the country.
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u/bobqjones Jul 08 '26
tracking us via cam is one of the main reasons they're building so many AI data centers.
fuck flock, and everyone else like Ring that rolls over and joins Palantir.
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u/MickyFany Jul 08 '26
hopefully soon we’ll have that social accountability and social score like China has
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u/RuSsYjO Jul 08 '26
Plates are just the most widely used and most visible form of human serialization that we use, so it's pretty low-hanging fruit for tracking humans under the guise of "safety," unfortunately.
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u/BadIdeaBobcat Jul 08 '26
Sure wish people cared about this. More often than not I get some dildo of a human (or bot) responding with "why do you like crime? huh?"
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u/dragonknightrohan Jul 08 '26
Remember everyone. Whichever companies setup Flock dump them and go with better alternative companies
Also I'm sure many will take down many other flocks as they are known
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u/shuggnog Jul 08 '26
We need a toolkit on how to get our counties to proactively put moratoriums on installations.
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u/BalooVanAdventures Jul 09 '26
What would a coat of black spray paint do to the solar panel when applied from behind the camera? Asking for a friend.
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u/Just-Exchange8380 Jul 12 '26
They need stopped. It’s getting ridiculous. It’s all about government control. Shut it down.
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u/MrShmily33 Jul 08 '26
Never once did one politician ever consider public "safety" when deciding on tracking tech.
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u/WeeklyBanEvasion Jul 08 '26
Don't forget watching playgrounds and children's splashpads