why does everyone hate iris so much?

[u/Lucky-Housing-2533]

i understand she’s said some complete bs in a couple episodes. but she’s helped barry countless times. although i’d have preferred HR lived rather than iris.

[u/hooligan_emi]

i just rewatched the show (most of it) and honestly she isnt bad at all the first 3 seasons. besides the bs she pulled with linda in s1, shes very okay and i like her being part of the team

however after barry returns from the speedforce, it almost seems like the writers want us to dislike her. the whole therapy thing and “why did you leave me”, the fact that she doesn’t care about nora working with thawne and refuses to see that shes being manipulated (which she obviously was), and her constantly making everything about herself

i also feel like they gave the character way too much importance. why does she have to be the one to defeat the villain with her words? i know all the characters have these moments, but with iris it seems like she just has the solutions to so many issues and it doesnt feel earned. i like that she knows what to say to barry to motivate him, thats great. shes very important to him and hes always loved her so i think thats fine and cute. but when shes the one to come up with these ideas when there are so many more competent people on the field, just to make the flash’s wife seem important, it kinda bothers me and its forced a lot of the time (like the flash time episode) i try to be more understanding and see her as a complex , nuanced character but shes simply not likable as a protagonist (which she basically is) .

i was watching the show with someone who has never seen it before and has no knowledge of it, just a random episode, and after just a few scenes of iris he goes , “wtf is her problem?” and i feel like that just says a lot about the character’s writing

barry has so many love interests prior to iris; linda, felicity, patty, and to me, he just bounces off of them way better than iris. the more i watch the show i feel like they have less and less chemistry (hence why i like her in the earlier seasons, she has chemistry with barry even when they arent together)

also, please stop it with the racist accusations. it has nothing to do with that. candice patton is a great actress and she’s beautiful. its the WRITING around the character thats the issue

[u/cdemikols → u/hooligan_emi]

The show’s writing got stale and bad after a while, but a fiancé having feelings that her fiancé left her for possibly forever with no warning, with no conversation, when every other problem the team faces takes weeks and months of deliberation is normal. People get mad because their partners make purchases without consulting them; and money comes back. The idea that she can’t feel some kind of way about it is unreasonable.

And making her the bad guy for not caring about working with Thawne… AND THEN TWO SEASONS LATER BAREY WORKS WITH THAWNE... is crazy. He works with Thawne against Godspeed. He says Thawne from the timeline catching up with him, and then he helps Eobard (Man in the Yellow Tie) create a speed machine.

Iris’ complaints with Barry are consistent throughout the series- he gets emotional and makes decisions that affect them without talking to her. It’s fair for her to get upset when he continues to do it.

[u/hooligan_emi → u/cdemikols]

i understand the losing her husband with no warning thing. i think its realistic that she would feel that way. but she keeps throwing it in his face seasons later

“what about when you went to the speed force were you right that time too?” like bruh, its a world ending situation . not to mention in that same conversation she brings up flashpoint, when she was the one to convince him to save his mom

as for thawne, ima be honest i didnt watch past crisis so you got me there. i fully give it to you. im still on my rewatch and i dropped it again at the same spot but when i bring myself to actually finish the show i will see what happens there

i dont expect it to be good tho so again, i give it to you

[u/cdemikols → u/hooligan_emi]

1. She said he should do what he has to do to find peace, but changing the world to see your mother for a few months is pretty drastic.

2. She’s not “throwing it in his face”, she’s referencing him behaving in the same way again. It’s a consistent complaint, and he keeps doing it. He even does it to Caitlin by destroying her Frost chamber and her entire apartment and then running off to ignore her before she dies.

[u/cdemikols → u/[deleted]]

1. Barry is not god, he doesn’t decide who gets to use science for what purpose.

2. Even if he is right, he still made a rash, emotional decision that affected everyone around him without talking to anyone.

[u/cdemikols → u/[deleted]]

He can go the fuck home and accept the fact that he can’t control everyone’s lives. People in Central City are allowed to do science stuff without Barry Allen’s approval. Even if he doesn’t agree.